182 Brake Issues....

[AliasOmega]

Driving home today, had the brakes make some noise under heavy braking...was like a grinding noise (the noise you get when your brakes are stuck on for a few days, then you drive off). At this point i had been heavy on the brakes for 10-20mile. I easied off the brakes, and took it easy as there was no more traffic to violently overtake. Next time i used the brakes, they were fine. No noise at all. Then for the remainder of the journey, and the day they were fine.

No noise here now, tho the pads have not been changed within 19,000miles. It mainly been motorway miles so very little use on them.

In the past ive had a problem with the brake assist not working. I would start the car from cold, then back out the driveway and set off down the road. At the junction i would apply the brakes and have no assist, the pedal would be like the engine was turned off. If i pressed hard i could stop the car just about tho i would overshoot the braking mark. I would then put the car into neutral, handbrake on and pump the pedal and it would come back to life. Carry on the journey without incident.

Called into Renault today to see about the brakes, thought the pads could be worn down and need some new ones. Asked them if they could check them and tell me what i needed, told i need to pay £81 for them to be checked. Then mentioned the brake pedal thing and the price dropped to £41.

I was thinking of checking the pads myself, i know i need to take the wheel off etc, tho the thread on here with the pics is dead. The pictures no longer work. Nice to have a peek at the pads and callipers before renault get there hands on them.

Whats the allowable error on the brake pads and disks.? The disks do have a lip on them, all of them do. One man said they all need replacing, another said its prob just the front 2 pads.

Was thinking of cancelling the appointment about the brake pads noise tomorrow and leaving the other one. After all they may strip the brakes down checking them...lol..or maybe not.

What you think guys, what pads should i use, it would be on sat morning when they get stripped down. Any pics would be great.

Alias

 

[CHRIS172CUP]

Always change the discs and pads at the same time unless the discs are very new. So if you have a lip on them then change the lot and unless the rears are well and truly fooked change them to (although doubt it after 19,000 motorway miles). Bleed the brakes and it should be ok.

You could have glazed the front discs which would cause the bad braking. But, I've heard from a few 182 owners that the brakes aren't all that and after driving my mates 182 cup at the weekend I can confirm they're no way as good as my 172 cup brakes, especially the ferodo DS2500/brembo disc combo. They make a difference so get em mate, not big money either. I still haven't fitted my lines yet also.

Hope this helps?

 

[AliasOmega]

Prob just take the wheels off and take a peek at the pads to see how they are. They DO have a lip on all of the disks, tho not have the cash to change them all at the moment, infact i have no cash to even get the brakes done one single bit..

Guess its gonna have to be done, tho with just changing the pads till i have enough ££ to sort it fully. The guide on here helps as its pretty simple.

 

[CHRIS172CUP]

Probably stating the obvious but as long as you have the right tools, it's easy. Done mine a few times now.

 

[AliasOmega]

I understand how to get the calliper off the disk, tho the problem is understanding how to get the pads out of place.

Do i need brake grease, can use a piece of wood to push the callipers back into place. Wont bother bleeding the brakes, as i tried that on the bike and failed badly.

 

[edde]

To get the pads out just pull them out they can be a bit tight so I use a screwdriver but I change the disk most times as well so disk damage isn't a huge worry.
No need for the brake stuff its supposed to help reduce rattling though.
Some more info in these posts
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=112036&highlight=brake
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=110728&highlight=brake
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=109197&highlight=brake

 

[edde]

Minimum disk thickness is 21.8mm I think from memeory new there 24mm.
Pads minimum thickness is 6mm i think (not including the metal plate bit).
Sounds like you had the same issue as I had with the Williams I (well the garage as I'm lazy) replaced the master clyinder the pads the bleed nipples the fluid and nothng worked them one day they just clicked and worked perfect.

 

[AliasOmega]

Whats the maximum wear allowed on all the brake disks then, there must be a tolerance and who regulates this.?

What are the risks if the discs drop below the required level.? The car is not due a MOT till 2007.

 

[edde]

Whats the maximum wear allowed on all the brake disks then, there must be a tolerance and who regulates this.?

What are the risks if the discs drop below the required level.? The car is not due a MOT till 2007.

Its set by Renault. I forget the rear tolerances but the front I quoted above are right.

 

[edde]

If you have disks thinner than whats set them its a bit difficult. According to the MOT (cars under 3yrs old don't have Mot's as there deemed to always pass) they just hve to work if they work then thats fine. However if insurance cheak and there under the Renault tolerances they could invalidate any claim as you've not serviced your car and mantained it as per Renault specification. This would never happed but thats the law as such.
if the diks drop below the tolerance then they become less effective as disapating heat also the pads metsl could cathc in extreme cases on the disk hence welding the pads and disk and causing an accident also if pads are minimum and disk are minimum you might find the calsiper piston has no more travel in it so you have no brakes.
Thats the rules though it would never get that bad.

 

[AliasOmega]

Well i contacted kwik fit today, if its just pads then its £67.40 (mintex). If its discs and pads its £200. I asked if they could just fit the pads if the discs were close as i could maybe get some discs from an alternative place. They said that if they fitted the pads when the discs were low, then its only half a job and they were not prepared to do this.

What you suggest.? I dont think i can be bothered doing it myself incase things go wrong, suppose i could afford £200, tho what happends if the rears are low aswell, then i think im in the poop..

They said they dont mind checking the brakes, they said they shall strip them down tho this is done in good faith that you get the work done by the garage at the time. Suppose i dont have the face to turn up, get the check done and leave. Im just outside Boston, and garages around here are rare. Can goto some back street place, but i like the idea of a national company so if things went wrong i can get it fixed the same day.

I contacted Renault asking for a price, tho i got passed between 2 sections then i had to wait on hold, so i f**ked them off, im not waiting on hold on my mobile...

Also, ive been on the Brembo website, a brembo kit of pads and discs are £190........

 

[edde]

What you suggest.? I dont think i can be bothered doing it myself incase things go wrong, suppose i could afford £200, tho what happends if the rears are low aswell, then i think im in the poop..

Can goto some back street place, but i like the idea of a national company so if things went wrong i can get it fixed the same day.

I contacted Renault asking for a price, tho i got passed between 2 sections then i had to wait on hold, so i f**ked them off, im not waiting on hold on my mobile...

Also, ive been on the Brembo website, a brembo kit of pads and discs are £190........

You can get replacment Renault pads and new disk for about £110 including delivery (probably about £100 is you pick them up from the shops) which are great value and there very good. I'd do it myself personally least then you know what your looking for and you'll learn how to do it in future.
Shame about the Renault dealer. You'r looking at 0.6hrs to do the work at say £60 an hour then another 20 mins or so to disks. Thats £50 excluding bleeding the system which is very important since you'rs are problem at the moment so that another £50 labour probably and £10 for the fluid.
You'd be better off paying £199 for the Yozzasport kit with the ds2500's for £199 as they have the braded hoses the ds2500 pads which are superb and include delivery.
If the rears are low I'd be very very suprised they do nothing as standard but there expensive to replace disks are £150 for a pair and pads £50 or so i think not including any fitment.
So long as you take the parts to a local garge they will be able to fit them there nothing else they can need beyoond what they should already have as a garage.

 

[AliasOmega]

Tho i need to find out whats wrong now, cant afford to wait 5-7days for the items to appear. The bike is off the road, so the car is needed asap. I live miles from anywhere, no buses etc. No mode of transport.

Need to take the car to Kwik Fit and see what they say, shall be honest and explain that i cant afford £200 for standard parts right now, tho £200 for Brembo disks and the DS2500 pads are a better choice. Shall mention that im willing to pay the £67.40 for pads today, as this is technically throw away cash. (just means ill stay in this weekend)..tho not £200..

Chances are he shall tell me that his not willing to undertake the brake check, and i shall have to drive me dodgy brake grinding car home. Worst case ill just fit new halfrauds pads, and run the car until i get enough wonga to buy new discs....(or just p/x the car)..lol..

Report back later..

 

[CrazyK]

Mate, TBH you don't need to replace discs every time you change the pads! as stated above as long as they are within the tolerance width for the disc then they will be alright. sometimes you get a lip on the disc but the lip can be ground down (for very little money) Also I would be suprised if a lip was noticeable after 19k, however your pads will be fairly worn by now (my 1.6 pads were change at 18k miles with 90% wear and my 172 at 12k with 85% wear) changing the pads is really easy and can be done in around 30 mins a side, there are various pad changing guides on here which are spot on. Just get some replacement pads and some copper grease, print of the guide on here and crack on with it.

 

[AliasOmega]

I took the car to the Kwik Fit garage and explained the situation i was in. He took the front wheels off, not the rear and said the disks were within limits, think he said.. by about 4mm which he said is not alot left. He said the pads were not far from the metal. As they were so low i said we would leave them and maybe find another option.

So, i have 2 options really.

1) Replace just the pads myself until i have enough funds to purchase a disk / pad set from Yozzasport @ £199. I could fit halfrauds pads, tho im sure Yozzasport wont be able to help me till late next week.

2) Run the car as it is with whats left on the pads, then replace them when i have enough cash.


I need the car this weekend, other options are to just go with standard disks if i can get any this weekend and fit them myself, also what size socket is needed for the disk bolt. I have a good socket set (10mm-20mm) and a good rachet handle but no torque wrench. I have the jack from the boot, tho i do have some halfrauds 3ton axel stands which shall do the job. I also have copper grease from the bike also. Only problem would be pushing the pistons back into the callipers as i dont have a G clamp.

Whats the best option to get pads and disks this saturday.?

 

[AliasOmega]

Could go with the

Brembo High Carbon HC 280mm Discs for £55
Ferodo DS2500 Front Brake Pads for £80

tho these items are located in Stone (stafford) and i drove past that place last night. lol...


Just need to source some this weekend.

 

[edde]

I need the car this weekend, other options are to just go with standard disks if i can get any this weekend and fit them myself, also what size socket is needed for the disk bolt. I have a good socket set (10mm-20mm) and a good rachet handle but no torque wrench. I have the jack from the boot, tho i do have some halfrauds 3ton axel stands which shall do the job. I also have copper grease from the bike also. Only problem would be pushing the pistons back into the callipers as i dont have a G clamp.

Whats the best option to get pads and disks this saturday.?

Halfords cheapo pads there no good when your driving hard but from cold there fine there something like £25 I think.

To get the disk off you need to remove the caliper bracket (2 bolts) then the disk is held to the hub by two thorx head countersunk screws you need an impact driver sometimes to get it off. I went and had to drill mine off though as I didn't have a driver. A good tool kit and somone with there foot on the pedal and you should be able to get them off.
You don't need a G clamp if you've quite stong in the hand department a screwdriver placed accross the piston should let you use both hands to push the piston back in.
Put the axle stands at the front here.

Jack on the bit in red if your colour blind I've arrowed it in yellow as well. Don't jack and further forwards (marked in light blue) as thi is where the chassic bends back up and the jack coul come off.
Have a look under the front of the car by where the hinger are and you'll see where the picture shows. You could use the sill at the front but make sure you have a bar etc so you spread the weight out more else you will find yourself bending the sills.
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b14/edde_uk/Williams/DSCN0459a.jpg
The picture is of a Mk1 but when you look under the car you'll se where it should go.

 

[AliasOmega]

A friend (ex ford mechanic) has just rang me about the brakes, he said that i should not go with disks but just replace the pads and remove the lip with a screwdriver. He said the lip will split off as the disk is made up in layers. He said that garages get people with new disks when they go in for pads, and that i should be ok with the disks for awhile.

what you think then guys.?

 

[edde]

Depends how thick the disk is but you shoudl be ok.
I wouldn't go playing with a secrewdriver on the disk though.
Garages get people to buy disk as they are below the minimum thickness allowed by the manurfacturer.

 

[AliasOmega]

So what u think then mate, i drove home last night to get the car here. He said tonight i should be able to fit new pads as the lip can be removed, and shall be worn away. Said i dont need disks till the next service when they are checked. (less than 5k).

Means ill have to drive home to Chester from Lincoln, then get the pads fitted tomorrow.

Then the issue is what pads do i fit..? Cheapo halfrauds, unipart or renault ones..

 

[edde]

So what u think then mate, i drove home last night to get the car here. He said tonight i should be able to fit new pads as the lip can be removed, and shall be worn away. Said i dont need disks till the next service when they are checked. (less than 5k).

Means ill have to drive home to Chester from Lincoln, then get the pads fitted tomorrow.

Then the issue is what pads do i fit..? Cheapo halfrauds, unipart or renault ones..

If your going to save some money and get some ds2500s etc then just get the cheapest you can find and don't hammer the car. Then when you've the cash saved swop the whole setup to DS2500's.
I only live a few miles south of Chester drop me a message if you need any help. I'm up at Oulton park tomorrow though so if your round there drop in.

 

[AliasOmega]

But where do i get these from, im in a place called coningsby at the moment, there is feck all around here for parts suppliers, so be a nightmare getting anything, nevermind specialist parts. Cant show my face in the renault showroom in chester as i rang them to cancel today.

Well im due a service in 5k which is the 36k so i know it will be picked up then, tho at that time i should be able to get some. I can get unipart pads from Chester, tho im unsure on what to fit.

Need to know what pads i should fit now to do the job. Most roads are windey around here so no point fitting the cheapest as id be off at the first bend.

If im to set off to chester i need to be leaving soon, not much left on the pads to be driving around 300mile for no reason. Also a night out aswell..shh..

 

[edde]

Cant show my face in the renault showroom in chester as i rang them to cancel today.

Well im due a service in 5k which is the 36k so i know it will be picked up then, tho at that time i should be able to get some. I can get unipart pads from Chester, tho im unsure on what to fit.

Need to know what pads i should fit now to do the job. Most roads are windey around here so no point fitting the cheapest as id be off at the first bend.

If im to set off to chester i need to be leaving soon, not much left on the pads to be driving around 300mile for no reason. Also a night out aswell..shh..

There a nice bunch in Chester or go to the Wrexham dealership or the Lewis read garage in Birkenhead or Liverpool.

There nothing worng with halford pads but hard constant braking will make them fade unlike stock or ds2500's will.

I've Pm you my number if you want any help etc.

 

[AliasOmega]

Contacted the local garage here as i stayed here last night. They said i can have some quality brakeworld pads for £40 +vat fitted...hmm, nice....

The code was FDB1420 he said i needed which is for a ClioSport 2.0 2000 onwards, also mentioned they were the same as mintex, just branded differently.

I wonder eh...