182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172?

[amh82]

I'm looking to buy a 1*2 at the moment, downsizing a bit from my 850R, fancy something smaller and a bit more fun in the handling department, better economy is a bonus as well.

Anyway, initially I wasn't too fussed about the 182, so was looking at decent ph2 172's. Thing is, as I've started looking around I can see that you can get a 182 FF with cup packs quite cheaply now, albeit with high mileage.

So, buying on condition and previous car, would a 182 FF with cup packs but say 95k be worth the bit extra over a late 172 FF on say 60k?

Is the cup suspension and the wheelbase revisions to the 182 worth it over the standard 172? Or would a 172 FF with uprated dampers/springs be just as good?

I'm not too concerned with high mileages as long as the car has records of it being looked after, my last two Volvos have been on 220k and 150k and not missed a beat. My only niggle is that high miles with these sort of cars might mean it's harder to sell again, although that would be a few years ahead I'd hope, and I don't do many miles anyway!

Half the trouble is you're spoilt for choice!! When I bought my 850R there were only a hundred odd manuals registered so I couldn't be quite so choosy!!

 

[sbridgey]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

172 is better value but 182 has some better colours

 

[amh82]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

Typo above, was meant to say buying on condition and previous 'care'

 

[MikeLYR27]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

How much u looking to spend? i just bought a cracker for 4k, RB with both cup packs and 62k on the clock, belts, everything done! Used to own one years ago, fantastic cars, from driving others and test driving 172's 182's the 182 always had the edge for me. But depending on your budget id rather have a lower mileage 172 than a high mile 182, they are still great.

 

[Revels]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

Couple of bits first.. No such thing as a 172 FF. 182 FF means it has cup packs.

But the 182 will always be more. Just because it's newer. Aside from that, it comes down to condition. You're more likely to get a shabby 182 for the same price as a mint 172.

Just don't get a 182 Cup. Job done.

 

[Bluebeard]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

It all comes down to budget.

If you're looking at spending under £3k then i'd rather buy a mint 172.

 

[amh82]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

Yeah, sorry revels, I've since read that only a 182 with cup packs can be called a 182 FF, and that a 172 is just that, as is a 172 cup

Cheers chaps, £3k is top wack for me, which is why I was looking at 172's, but a few decent 182's have gone for just under £3000 recently. I was interested in a tidy 2004 182, 59k, fsh, a few bits replaced recently with tax & MOT, missed out on on it, but seller told me he let it go for £2700. Looking around I've seen a quite a few others going for similar, but more likely 90-100k.

I think I'll just not worry too much and see what turns up. There is a nice 182 FF not too far from me, '04 plate, 94k but FSH, plenty of paperwork and does look very tidy, just a few stonechips on front, totally standard mechanically and that's up for £2900. I might have a look at that on Saturday.

 

[welshname]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

Get a ph1 and have some money for a few choice mods.

 

[MikeLYR27]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

Maybe he doesn't want mods lol?!

 

[welshname]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

I know this. It was just a suggestion.

 

[amh82]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

I like the idea of the Ph1, and maybe if it was a second car I would consider one of these with the lightweight bits and go crazy, but I already have a second car so this will be a daily. For that reason I'll probably try to limit the mods and would prefer to get something a bit newer.

Plus, not that the Ph2 is much to shout about inside, I'm not all that keen on the Ph1 interiors, another reason I'd not be so keen for a daily.

 

[amh82]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

Well I've wittled it down to a couple that I want to look at the weekend.

A 53 plate 172, silver, 50k, FSH, belts just done, short MOT & tax though for £2500.

Or an 04 plate 182 FF, Arictic Blue, 94k, FSH, looks very tidy, 9 months MOT, 6 months Tax - £2900, although he said he would come down to £2650.

Heart says 182 as it does look very tidy, has the cup packs, etc and has decent amount of T&T, although head is saying if the 172 would come down on a price a bit, and is as good as he says it is, it's worth risking a short MOT for almost half the mileage. I know miles aren't everything, as I've said, but it will effect price obviously.

 

[Revels]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

Another thing to factor if you're thinking about resale is that Arctic is the least desirable colour.

 

[RDH]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

That is insane. Take the 172 anyday. No difference to a 182 apart from the exhaust. And maybe the loss of CC which isn't major tbh.

 

[clancy]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

wouldnt let a short MOT put you off a car, just be very carefull when viewing

 

[Matthew]

Out of those two I'd be going with the 172 mate.

Realistically, apart from the twin tailpipes the difference is very minimal.

If your looking for a 172, try go for an Iceburg silver over Titanium silver (best 1*2 colour in my opinion)

 

[Revels]

Ph2 172 didn't come in Titanium mate.

172 Ph1 - Both
172 Ph2 - Iceberg
182 - Titanium

 

[Matthew]

Ah I stand corrected, said the man in the orthopaedic shoes...

Lol

Iceburg FTW

 

[JBC27]

If you go 172 get a flamer, best colour imho.

 

[bennno2005]

Difficult to say without seeing them but assuming they are both in good nick I'd go for the 182! It's a newer car and if it's been properly looked after the mileage shouldn't matter. Intact I'd prefer 95k motorway to 50k if town/short journey driving anyway. As for resale I imagine they will both depreciate at the same rate. Ph2 172's will always be much less desirable than the 182s.

 

[Bluebeard]

I wouldn't even make my mind up until i'd seen them.

Its all about maintainence with these cars. So i'd buy whichever had the most paperwork and been looked after better.

 

[Jordi17]

depends how many miles you do aswell, if you dont do many then go for the higher milage 182, if you do a fair bit go for the lowe mileage 172 IMO. As before you know it the 182 will be on 110k plus

 

[amh82]

Another thing to factor if you're thinking about resale is that Arctic is the least desirable colour.

Really? I know it's fairly common, but I think it looks nice when the suns on it.

That is insane. Take the 172 anyday. No difference to a 182 apart from the exhaust. And maybe the loss of CC which isn't major tbh.

This was my original thoughts, I think because I've been looking for a little while you end looking a bit newer, etc.

wouldnt let a short MOT put you off a car, just be very carefull when viewing

Doesn't put me off as such, well, until I've seen the car. I've always worked on my own cars so not too worried if jobs need doing, just would rather they were after xmas if they do!!!

I wouldn't even make my mind up until i'd seen them.

Its all about maintainence with these cars. So i'd buy whichever had the most paperwork and been looked after better.

Agree with you there mate, but the trouble is they are both a couple of hours away from me, but in totally different directions, so I try to make the best initial choice based on what info I can get out of the seller. If I get there and it's a shed then I'll take it on the chin, but that's only happened to me a couple of times in my car buying history!!

Anyway, glas the Iceburg issue was cleared up, I knew there were two shades, but wasn't sure if the ph2 came in both. Iceburg looks really nice imo, especially a clean one in the sun. Seller of the 172 says he tried 5 1*2's before chosing that one and it stood out, but then that could be sales patter. I'm leaning towards the silver 172 at the mo, plus the 182 seller said he couldn't really take a viewing saturday afternoon.

 

[amh82]

I don't do many miles as I can cycle to work, but the missus may choose to use this for her commute to save her running her 330ci about. Will save her a bit on fuel anway, although she hates the Clio's!! She said I should have kept my 850R!

 

[clancy]

new missus?

 

[amh82]

She'll get over it

 

[Matthew]

Pics of the Mrs?

 

[amh82]

I've got a video somewhere..............

 

[clancy]

sounds good

 

[Matthew]

YES!

 

[welshname]

Hope this thread delivers

 

[RSsprint]

F5 ..........

 

[davo172]

Can't really see either being much good for that money but everyone has different opinions on a TIDY car. Buy on history.

 

[amh82]

Fair enough Davo, i'll find out when i go to view.

I'm pretty picky when it comes to cars and only buy ones with lots of history, receipts, etc and i've not had a bad one yet! Although, the nearly new seicento sporting my missus had back in the day was pretty unreliable, but she bought that one!!

 

[Mark_]

Who cares about the cars...pics of missus!!!

Im kidding, have you made up your mind yet?? Id go for a 182 BG....

 

[amh82]

Well, I put a deposit down on Simon.'s BG 182 this weekend. Just got to wait for the reg transfer and for Simon to sort out his new car

It's a good job there are plenty around as i've been messed about more trying to buy than I was when selling!!

 

[Martin_172]

i had never driven a 182 until aldo from here picked up his 182FF and i was surprized as to how different it felt to a ph2 172, nothing a set of sportlines doesnt sort on the 172 but it did feel more sure footed when carrying huge speeds over a backroad! and that was running budget tyres at the time!

bit more meaty mid range on it.

but enough to justify the price increase? im not sure

however i feel sometimes ph2's feel a bit disconnected compaired to the ph1 with its small 15" wheels, cable throttle and much better mid range pull than even a 182 although mine does have a fastchip map on it which improves it in this area.

 

[joe18two]

Re: 182 FF with cup packs worth the extra over 172 FF?

Couple of bits first.. No such thing as a 172 FF. 182 FF means it has cup packs. But the 182 will always be more. Just because it's newer. Aside from that, it comes down to condition. You're more likely to get a shabby 182 for the same price as a mint 172.Just don't get a 182 Cup. Job done.

What's wrong with the 182 cups, not tht I have 1 was just wondering

 

[M@tt_182]

My friends ph1 feels a lot more raw than my 182. The 182 is more refined with a nicer ride, xenons, cruise control, climate control etc. The one thing I don't like about my car is the electronic throttle, the cable one gives you a lot more feel.

 

[.Simon]

Glad you liked it mate, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I have over the past few years!