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or the drivers who you ask what the car/kart is doing and they say yeah feels good , ..... so you ask where we are loosing time , and they then say i can't get that corner this corner and that corner right ....... 40 minutes of disection and you work out that what you wantted to here was its understeering on the fast corners ............ this is always worse when there is no wall nearby to bang your head against !!
182cup & 172 racecar
:banghead: I like a good wall.
In the middle of installing this at the moment
You weren't working on it at 4am surely? Lol
ripp
ClioSport Club Member
182 FFAT
In part 4 of the guide at 4:02 they use a tool for balancing the bodies. How much does it cost and where can you find it?Have a look on ktec site they have a fitting guide on the diy body kit. its incredibly easy to fit. Save yourself a few hundred on fitting and get more mapping time
You've never experienced a good itb car
Evo 5 RS
typical pub talk response.
Nothing wrong with FI but it's a totally different kettle. You can't sell a conversion on a dyno printout
Nothing wrong with FI but it's a totally different kettle. You can't sell a conversion on a dyno printout
How can you say that if you havent even been in an ITB'd car on the road let alone raced one around a track? The throttle response and mid range torque with massively high rpm power all make for an amazing drive. Not to mention the noise they make will always better the sound of a dyson under the bonnet. shame on you...
Evo 5 RS
Because he's got cams with a reasonable peak figure i.e cannot see the justification in ITBS for an extra 10bhp.
When the reality is his car drives half as well as a proper throttle bodied car. I would never own an NA mk2 on standard inlet now tbh
When the reality is his car drives half as well as a proper throttle bodied car. I would never own an NA mk2 on standard inlet now tbh
182cup & 172 racecar
I love ITB's.
peak figures tell you very little. you'll probably see 30bhp gains at some parts of the rev range, but most likely 15bhp at the top. Torque curve will be loads different too.
I would. You should try a 438 car, they're really quite satisfying.
For straightline speed that is absolutely the case without doubt.
On a twisty track though where you spend relatively little time at full throttle even with only 210bhp obviously the extra power is less useful, so it's horses for courses really.
Evo 5 RS
Is it really any different to a car with 421s. And management
no not really, as you'd expect. It's a world different to 428s though
Evo 5 RS
428s are banging mate. Especially as mine are for sale lol
That's how throttle bodies and cams is done right
Nice result but compare it to a t urbo conversion for the same money:
It's not even half the gains in power and a quarter of the gains in torque.
and tbh I hadn't even totally finished the map when it went on for that graph, it was just a "lets see where we are at so far" printout.
ph1 172
Nice result but compare it to a low pressure turbo conversion for the same money:
It's not even half the gains in power and a quarter of the gains in torque.
and tbh I hadn't even totally finished the map when it went on for that graph, it was just a "lets see where we are at so far" printout.
...but look at your conrod
...but look at your conrod
That was only after running twice the boost that it had for that graph mate. As per how it was for that graph the standard rods should cope just fine.
No mate. By the time you add in the cams that an itb setup needs to work well, the costs are very similar.
ph1 172
I was only pulling your leg Chip. Just out of interest what rod/piston combination would you recommend?
Depends what you are after power wise. If its just the normal 3-500 then the wossner ones people like ED and PEC sell are fine and are good value.
If going nuts, I would go for arrow rods and crank and some arias or cp pistons.
ITBs sound better
True, but if its sounds you want rather than a performance car, just wear some headphones.
there's no getting round an attention seeking troll
I dont think guigsy was attention seeking or trolling when he suggested turbo or supercharger instead, I think he was trying to be helpful by suggesting other options, and he certainly has a point in terms of the extra power they will get you for the same money.
Bringing turbo talk into a itb thread nice...
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