182 Trophy, or 197 cup.

[fmp_]

197 cup

 

[Rob R26r]

Trophy.

 

[xcore]

cup in white, why go for the same car in red rather then an upgrade like the 197?

 

[DebV6]

Hmm, probably the 197 cup in white, but as I've not driven one yet then I can't really say.

 

[Fletcher]

cup in white, why go for the same car in red rather then an upgrade like the 197?

Goint point, any other 182 and i would agree, i just really like the trophy's

 

[rob2006]

Seriously; if you have to look at MPG when considering a fun hot hatch, then I think you are in the wrong market for a car.

Just go for a regular hatch or a diesel.

coming from a near 400bhp evo thats the first thing i did.! lol

Trophy fitted nicley.

 

[Fletcher]

^^^^The 172/182 are great little cars, fast and frugal.

 

[Matt@Stealthsport]

Trophy if your gonna do any track stuff as there great fun.......

Not driven a 197 Cup but the R27 just didn't do it for me although I've only driven it at Bedford.

 

[The Seer]

Gotta be the Trophy!!!!

Renault let themselves down with the the curb weight of the new Clio. It's terrible!!!

MPG will be better with the Trophy also.

Just like Integra Type R. DC 2 is the REAL driver's car not the DC 5.

 

[Se7en172]

9 days until I pick up my cup in white, black wheels, reccaros. top notch.

 

[Giles]

I would go for the 197 cup

the interior are likely same things with trophy & 197 cup

 

[Lee]

Cup for me.....on March the 1st.

 

[Fletcher]

Cup for me.....on March the 1st.

Haven't you ordered a white cup Lee??

 

[llcoolmartyn]

As above which would you go for ?

trophy

 

[Fletcher]

I'd say it's a 50/50 split between the Trophy and 197 cup.

 

[Lee]

Cup for me.....on March the 1st.

Haven't you ordered a white cup Lee??

Yep, it arrives mid Feb for me to pick up March 1st. The Trophy is going the week before.

 

[Day]

I'd say it's a 50/50 split between the Trophy and 197 cup.

So you are no clearer now then you were when you started this thread!

Go with your heart.

Maybe you should go for neither perhaps?

 

[Ian_182]

Im looking forward to seeing all these white cars

 

[Lee]

Im looking forward to seeing all these white cars

The funny thing is that everyone will think they are common just because a few people on here have them. Only sados like us will order them in white. Normal people will have racing blue or nimbus.

 

[fuel_slut]

Get the Trophy and pocket the change left over.

In fact with the cash left over you could do a TB conversion.

 

[Iain C]

197 cup in white. Far better car

 

[Fletcher]

I'd say it's a 50/50 split between the Trophy and 197 cup.

So you are no clearer now then you were when you started this thread!

Go with your heart.

Maybe you should go for neither perhaps?

I wasn't ever going to go for the car with the most votes... I was just wondering what everyone else would go for.

 

[Darren S]

182 Trophy - without doubt.

I don't like the Mk.3 looks at all.

D.

 

[wlshyd182]

trophy

 

[TheJesus]

I'd have a Cup, it's the much better car now I've had time to really appreciate how much better they handle than any of the older Clio's

 

[brisa4984]

cup.

 

[caeteez]

I think whatever way you look at it, the 197 is the car to get now. The Trophy is a sweet car, but you gotta go down the new road in the long run IMO.

 

[franx]

197, purely because i wouldnt feel as bad if i ditched it.

197 too heavy... would like to see a race between the two. I think the trophee wins

 

[TheJesus]

197, purely because i wouldnt feel as bad if i ditched it.

197 too heavy... would like to see a race between the two. I think the trophee wins

where it counts (ie a track) the 197 is better

 

[franx]

Get the Trophy and pocket the change left over.

In fact with the cash left over you could do a TB conversion.

This is the wisest comment i've read here. After the TB's you'll love it to death and never want another car anymore

 

[Henry]

197 too heavy...

that's the bottom line for me too in all of this - they're both FWD hatches and one's (IMO) obviously much better suited to track work than the other - the trophy is considerably cheaper and considerably lighter. it's the weight thing that wins it in the end as it has a bonus effect on pretty much everything else - it goes better and stops better and its tyres, brakes and dampers (etc) are all (theoretically) going to last longer as a consequence.

ignoring the fashionability of the 197 (*cough*), the only real practical plus point in its favour is the fact that it'll likely have more mechanical grip due to advances in suspension design - but is that extra grip worth £4k plus all of the downsides?

i'd still buy something else though!:quiet:

 

[Munson]

I'd take the 197Cup over a Trophy. No doubt at all.

 

[Lee]

Henry, a Trophy doesn't stop anywhere near as well as a 197.

I'm assuming you've all driven both cars extensively to be able comment? Most of you are going on the paper figures and have never driven a 197/R27/Cup more than just a quick spin with the local Renault dealer.

 

[Henry]

help the OP out and tell him why (ed. at Roy Munson)

Lee - admittedly, i've not driven either and (in hindsight) can appreciate that the brakes will also have evolved. the trophy's won't be inadequate by comparison though.

no offence to the OP but this isn't going anywhere - people are voting for one or the other without giving their reasons; i think it'd help him out if they put themselves in his shoes and gave their reasons

 

[Giles]

197 are better, can't miss it!

 

[Munson]

Henry, a Trophy doesn't stop anywhere near as well as a 197.

I'm assuming you've all driven both cars extensively to be able comment? Most of you are going on the paper figures and have never driven a 197/R27/Cup more than just a quick spin with the local Renault dealer.

I drove a 197 some time back and I was immensely impressed with the handling and stopping. It had far more grip and composure than my 182Cup. It corners flatter and makes the 182 feel like it's scraping round on its door mirror by comparison. The interior, and exterior were also in a different league to my 182, which was parked next to the 197 for easy comparison. I wasn't so imprerssed with the steering and gearing, although I believe both of these have recently been improved. f**k only knows how well the 197 handles with the Cup chassis.

 

[Rudi]

Henry, a Trophy doesn't stop anywhere near as well as a 197.

I'm assuming you've all driven both cars extensively to be able comment? Most of you are going on the paper figures and have never driven a 197/R27/Cup more than just a quick spin with the local Renault dealer.

I agree Lee, well its fact, the cups got brembos .Only test drove the 197 so far.waiting for smiths to get a cup.

Answer to the question.what do you think Tomato everytime!

 

[Lee]

A Trophy is always going to be special though. The last blast of the raw light hot hatch.

The Brembos on the 197 are amazing. They can take lap after lap of hard braking and still hit the same mark lap after lap. Amazing.

 

[Rudi]

^^You might know fella.Will the 197 brembos fit on ma trophy? been thinking of doing it since i test drove that 197.

Think your right there about the last of the raw light hot hatch.shame

 

[Lee]

I don't know about the 197 Brembos but there are 4 pot kits available for the 172/182s. They aren't cheap though.

Brian on here has them on his 172: http://www.rapidpants.com/images/gallery/motors/2006/DS2006/DS2005_003.jpg