197/200's

[Jamie]

Renault missed the mark with them by making them too big, too heavy and too poor on fuel.

If you were in the market to buy and run one you could/would consider much more powerful cars with the same running costs which would sway your decision away?

Discuss.

 

[Revels]

Cars are getting bigger, that's just the way it is. If you want economy, you buy the 1.2.

But what else is in the same class for that cash?

CooperS? Corsa VXR? Fiesta ST?

Before anyone says it, Megane/Focus are not the same class. I guess a lot of it comes back to what you want from a car. New with a warranty etc.

 

[Louism]

I think they have made them this way because they are reaching their top power, if you want any quicker get a megan etc. The fact they have kept the stats similar with such a heavier car is i think what they aimed for cos you get alot more for your money.

 

[Louism]

I think they have made them this way because they are reaching their top power, if you want any quicker get a megan etc. The fact they have kept the stats similar with such a heavier car is i think what they aimed for cos you get alot more for your money.

I just read this and i sound like a nob.
I mean to say they have made it much better quality.

 

[Gally]

Is there a new corsa vxr facelift or otherwise coming soon?

Loving them recently but think I would still have an albi blue over one.

 

[ForceIndia]

What bothers me, is that vw can produce a more powerful engine (mk5 gti) pushing a heavier car, that mullers the 197 for economy. As can mini.

 

[Luke_m]

What bothers me, is that vw can produce a more powerful engine (mk5 gti) pushing a heavier car, that mullers the 197 for economy. As can mini.

True but the clios have not been designed to be performance road cars imo more suited to track use, where as cars such as the VW's and mini's have been, and are both turbo charged engines with more torque where a road car needs it.

The clios pull well enough in the power bands and how often on a track would you drop below 5000rpm on a track?
The VW's and Mini's run out of steam alot earlier then the clio, but due to them having the power in lower revs they are more economical as they aren't being pushed as hard.

 

[Louism]

thats what and extra 7k does for you tho dude

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

too big and too heavy is subjective. They may be bigger and heavier, but they are built better, safer and handle a lot better than older RS's which basically haven't much improved since the Mk1 days.

They are poor on fuel though, one I had for a weekend was struggling to get 30mpg from driving it as sensibly as possible, but I'm sure a lot of that is down to lack of low end grunt due to strict emission laws.

 

[ForceIndia]

True but the clios have not been designed to be performance road cars imo more suited to track use, where as cars such as the VW's and mini's have been, and are both turbo charged engines with more torque where a road car needs it.

The clios pull well enough in the power bands and how often on a track would you drop below 5000rpm on a track?
The VW's and Mini's run out of steam alot earlier then the clio, but due to them having the power in lower revs they are more economical as they aren't being pushed as hard.

Rofl at designed for track use.
"Yes, keyless entry, cornering lights, cup-holders etc etc are essential for a quick ring time."
You pay more for the Golf as it's a bigger car. And vastly higher quality.

3-4 years ago, everyone on here was criticising the CTR for it's narrow power band, now it's Clio with the narrow power band it's a good thing?

And the list price of the Cooper S is lower than the 200. Yes you can get better discounts on the 200, but that's due to relative lack of demand and poorer quality. Hardly good things!

 

[Revels]

Minis also hold their value very well.

Everyones different but they don't seem to have any problems selling them.

 

[Louism]

Got mine for under 14k for the sport with extras, it has everything you need. It isnt the best quaility but its is a vast improvment on the past. You cannot throw the mini around like you can the sports.

 

[Louism]

Minis also hold their value very well.

Everyones different but they don't seem to have any problems selling them.

Too right they do P

 

[ForceIndia]

Got mine for under 14k for the sport with extras, it has everything you need. It isnt the best quaility but its is a vast improvment on the past. You cannot throw the mini around like you can the sports.

Have to disagree. Massively. The Mini isn't quite as sharp at the edge, but there's a nat's whisker in it. And the Mini's quicker and more economical to boot.

 

[Revels]

I'd have a 200 over a VXR/CooperS (probably) and a Fiesta ST.

That's what it's up against. Golf/Megane/Focus is a different class regardless of power/MPG/price.

 

[Louism]

And the mini is no way quicker

 

[Louism]

I'd have a 200 over a VXR/CooperS (probably) and a Fiesta ST.

That's what it's up against. Golf/Megane/Focus is a different class regardless of power/MPG/price.

yup went for the 200 over these and im so glad i did

 

[ForceIndia]

I'd have a 200 over a VXR/CooperS (probably) and a Fiesta ST.

That's what it's up against. Golf/Megane/Focus is a different class regardless of power/MPG/price.

I've not yet driven the 200, but the Cooper S is a better car than the 197 in pretty much every way (bar looks) IMO.
I'm not against the 200 at all (but I think the 197 was a dissapointment), and a red 200 even looks ok (in an aggressive but ugly way). But there's too many owners on here that seem to insist there's zero faults with their car.
For the record, my cars s**t, but it's great to drive and suits me perfectly. Still s**t though.

 

[ForceIndia]

And the mini is no way quicker

See my above post.

 

[Louism]

Dude i agree it is no mini build wise, but i got a cheaper car that i can throw about and have great fun in plus no one around me has one.
The 200 is what the 197 should have been, it does have faults but not with the driving more things like the interior which is still cheapish and the back seats are s**t, but i dont care about that cos its so solid on the roads. It wants to rev all the time, its slightly better then the 197 but not massivly. It is a refined 197 at the end of the day. I think when you drive one you will have a massive smile on your face

 

[Gorms]

Same old post, same old input, from the same old people, that have never driven a 200

5 pages???

Paul

 

[Louism]

rofl !

 

[KungFuSpaghetti]

I'd have a 197/200 over a mini as I love Renaults and think the Mini is an over priced entry level BMW for people that want to give off the impression that they "have made it". Biased? You bet your ass I am

 

[Revels]

Same old post, same old input, from the same old people, that have never driven a 200

5 pages???

Paul

And same old owners stamping their feet with their fingers in their ears.

It's a forum. Things are here to be discussed.

How do you know what I've driven?

 

[Louism]

Have you driven one?

 

[theduck]

Renault missed the mark with them by making them too big, too heavy and too poor on fuel.

If you were in the market to buy and run one you could/would consider much more powerful cars with the same running costs which would sway your decision away?

Discuss.

Point me in the direction of a much more powerful car that I could:

Buy for 15k with 3 years waranty
Insure for the same or less than a 197 (Which is already cheaper to insure than a 1*2)
Achieve 29mpg average
Service for £135 a year
Replace tires at £80 a corner

 

[Gorms]

And same old owners stamping their feet with their fingers in their ears.

It's a forum. Things are here to be discussed.

How do you know what I've driven?

Always been into vws before my clio. Ask chappers on here when i ripped the piss out of him for buying a 182. Always disliked clios for many reasons, build, quality of materials, looks and the image. Had a price limite of 16k for my new car and picked the 200, because it was the best car for the dollar.

Paul

 

[Munson]

One doesn't need to drive a 200 to know that they're a styling disaster. Some people may like the looks, but from a styling viewpoint, the lines are a mess, whether you like them or not.

I'd have one tomorrow, but they're still ugly, and they're still poorly engineered compared to the German cars. Better quality plastics doesn't equal better build quality. Fact. Definitely a more stable and solid feeling machine than the 182 though, which is actually a pretty bad car in the grand scheme.

 

[Louism]

Theres no getting through to this guy...

 

[Gally]

No doubting a great car and absoloutely rave reviews for the money!

GW, FF, Recaros black speedlines. I'd buy one.

 

[Jamie]

Point me in the direction of a much more powerful car that I could:

Buy for 15k with 3 years waranty
Insure for the same or less than a 197 (Which is already cheaper to insure than a 1*2)
Achieve 29mpg average
Service for £135 a year
Replace tires at £80 a corner

Firstly I am not clinically insane (yet) so there's no way I would spend 15k on a Clio!

In the second hand market the Clio is similarly priced to other cars which I would consider, being the Megane R26, Focus RS, Imprezas and Evos. Obv the only match for running costs there are the RS and Megane, as they will do mid to high 20's mpg, same for me on insurance and consumables will be similarly priced. In fact they are the only two cars moving on from the Clio which tick all the right boxes for me and partially why I started the topic.

You do have me stuffed on the NEW bit though, as I don't know many cars for that price which are alternatives.

 

[ForceIndia]

I believe a very wise man once said, ahem, "everyone always believes they have the prettiest wife at home".
I'm not bashing the 200, merely saying there are a few faults. I'm looking forward to trying one.

 

[Louism]

Its main rival would be the corsa vxr i spose

 

[ForceIndia]

Cooper s is under 16k and mullers the clio's for resale. And is cheaper to service. And more economical. Financially a far better proposition. Fugly though.

 

[Munson]

I couldn't live with the interior of the Mini. It makes me want to vomit.

 

[Louism]

As i said dude, i got the sport with extras for under 14, you dont get as much basic stuff with mini

 

[Jamie]

Reading Revels posts which have a really good point. I know what the Clio is competing against and part of what I am saying is.... Looking at the Clios expense and it's runnings costs, if you were spending that money would you then realise/consider the Megane or other bigger hot hatches as there is a marginal difference?

 

[Brett]

I personally think the Clio 200 is a bargin. I agree with theduck. Its a brand new car, its the fastest of the RS Clio's (according to Evo's stats), handles the best and has plenty of luxuries.

I've not driven one, although I plan on it, AC St Helens have one in LY. I'm sure when I drive it i'll be very impressed.

The problem is though bargin or not, I'm not sure i'd buy one brand new, you can get an awful lot of car for 14K.

 

[Gally]

The meganes will be 2nd and some people like new cars mate.

 

[Gorms]

Cooper s is under 16k and mullers the clio's for resale. And is cheaper to service. And more economical. Financially a far better proposition. Fugly though.

I hope your talking about the mini tlc service pack???

Have you ever owned a bmw and taken one for a service? Took my dads e90 for a service once and left £500 lighter. Think the labour charge was £120 and hour and there were plenty of minis on the ramps.

Crazy money involved.

Paul