197 Cup Vs Fiesta ST185 Vs Corsa VXR

[Lee]

I think you can guess the outcome. http://autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/215616/fiesta_v_clio_v_corsa.html

And the Cup review: http://autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/215649/renaultsport_clio_197_cup.html

 

[White16valver]

ST has better steering feel than the cup it says!

 

[B16DOE]

bet 80% of the ones i see on the road try race me they do my head in

 

[deanf06]

What 0-60 times do those st185's do?

 

[The Hoff]

They said they couldn't get close to the quoted 6.9 seconds in the wet, so I guess ehm...6.9

 

[portland]

Don't knock the ST - not too shabby for the money now. Was scary expensive when it came out, but dealer discounts mean it's more competitive now.

Of course, the 500 Abarth super sport with the tuning kit will make the Fiesta look shite

 

[Gaz_]

Do look nice in white. I still cant believe that it doesnt have the steering wheel or alloy pedals. Cup to me means track inspired (see 172) not bargin basement (see 182 and now 197) The alloy pedals and steering wheel add to the track theme for me

 

[deanf06]

They said they couldn't get close to the quoted 6.9 seconds in the wet, so I guess ehm...6.9

Must of missed that, cheers

 

[The Hoff]

Do look nice in white. I still cant believe that it doesnt have the steering wheel or alloy pedals. Cup to me means track inspired (see 172) not bargin basement (see 182 and now 197) The alloy pedals and steering wheel add to the track theme for me

Hear hear!

Pedals aren't a problem just retrofit them, but the wheel is a b1tch and costs £.

 

[Dave S2K]

Everythings sounding rosey so far! A few good reviews popping up now

I wouldn't mind a weekend in the Corsa VXR 888 though, just for curiosities sake.

 

[amullally]

197 cup

best price for a 197cup in white on p/x

 

[White16valver]

^^^ ???

 

[Dave S2K]

Re: 197 cup

best price for a 197cup in white on p/x

Not sure how much the white is extra but £12,866 here...

http://www.carselect.lloydstsb.com/NewCarQuote.aspx?id=3144

not sure if they arrange p/x though.

 

[.J.a.m.e.s.]

fiesta looks nicest, 197 are so ugly! imo

 

[Chris n nic]

ST has better steering feel than the cup it says!

Where does it say that ?

Chris

 

[Jamie]

That fiesta is appealing to me. I wasn't too keen on the 150bhp version but that revised model is worth a second look.

 

[Graham Gooch]

Hand on heart, I could see me driving a 185bhp St with the recaros and suspension over a 197 imho.

 

[Rich]

Hand on heart, I could see me driving a 185bhp St with the recaros and suspension over a 197 imho.

Well you are the master of the ST ...

 

[Graham Gooch]

Joking aside and being Luke, I meant that.

 

[Rich]

lol @ being Luke

TBH I don't ever want to not be Graham Gooch

 

[Graham Gooch]

I'm not sure whats more worrying, being called Luke on CS or you saving that quote for later use lol.

 

[Rich]

lol I wish - I just remembered reading it again it in a thread earlier !

 

[marky-f1]

lmao no matter wot you do its still a ford !

 

[Graham Gooch]

lmao no matter wot you do its still a ford !

Lol you snob, you drive a Renault, get over yourself.

 

[197luke]

That fiesta is appealing to me. I wasn't too keen on the 150bhp version but that revised model is worth a second look.

its not revised there all extras which you have to pay for...£2500 and then fitting i think thats extortionate imo

 

[Munday]

That fiesta is appealing to me. I wasn't too keen on the 150bhp version but that revised model is worth a second look.

its not revised there all extras which you have to pay for...£2500 and then fitting i think thats extortionate imo

Quite pricey but the Ford is actually quite well built.

 

[Iridium]

^^^

But to be fair, so are new Renaults. Went I got in the 197 for the first time the first thing that struck me was how solid and meaty it all felt.

Dan

 

[The Hoff]

Went I got in the 197 for the first time the first thing that struck me was how solid and lardy it all felt.

Dan

I agree Dan.

 

[White16valver]

ST has better steering feel than the cup it says!

Where does it say that ?

Chris

First link of Lee's:

VERDICT

FORD has done it again. The ST185 is another example of a standard car being transformed into a performance classic. The £605 suspension kit turns it into one of the best-handling hot hatches money can buy, while the £1,838 engine upgrade gives it the performance it has been crying out for.

This is the purest performance Ford since the Racing Puma – although it’s not cheap and will only appeal to real enthusiasts. It’s a well engineered thoroughbred, but it comes second to the Clio Cup, which offers an equally enthralling experience at a lower price. While it doesn’t have the steering feel or racy exhaust note of the Ford, the Renault is an absolute belter.

The Corsa is third: harsh for a car with the most performance and best cabin. But while it’s great on the road, in this test we wanted to track down the most focused hot hatch, and the VXR isn’t as sharp as its race-inspired rivals.

 

[andyroo]

For the extra price of the ST185 you could kit the 197 with a nice zorst, remap and suspension, and have an even better car.

Personally for me, looks in and out are far nicer on the 197. Shame the interior isnt the same as the full fat.

What is good though, is that choice for us is wide and varied. I'd much prefer to have some close-run choices and have people choosing different cars from their own opinion than everyone driving around in the same semi-decent mild hatch because its the only one available.

 

[Neil G]

fiesta looks nicest, 197 are so ugly! imo

 

[ForceIndia]

fiesta looks nicest, 197 are so ugly! imo

Best looking hot hatch IMO.
On the article, never understand why they do these tests on track. From what I've read, seems the cooper s is the only genuine competitor for the 197.

 

[Timmay]

if the packs for the ST make 182 bhp then why is it called ST185?

to make it appear better than a 182 or something? lol

 

[gaz44]

185ps = 182bhp

A lot of companies use this German measurement to label their cars.

 

[Tom]

They all do.

Nobody uses BHP as its imperial.

 

[sharkaroo]

the cup after three years worth £6,778 lol its lost £8217 in 3 yrs! 2739 a yr loss!! deffo not buying one new! he he

 

[Iridium]

^^^

But that's if you pay £15k for one. Which no one will when you can have them for over £2k less than that, with options. Didn't someone say Arnold Clark in, erm, somewhere were punting out a pre-reg one for £12.5k with Recaros and A/C ?

Dan

 

[Gaz_]

fiesta looks nicest, 197 are so ugly! imo

Meh, fiesta is dated now, soon to be replaced. There is nothing about them looks wise at all. At least with the Renaultsports, they beef up the bodywork some what.