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197 or 182 Trophy, I'm thinking of buying a Clio
Poopensharten
ClioSport Club Member
Golf R
And the fuse is lit lol...
Whats a mugen type r? Is that the imported JDM EP3 Type R....?
Whats a mugen type r? Is that the imported JDM EP3 Type R....?
If you want to do fast B roads and the occasional trackday and don't do loads of miles get a Trophy or get a 197 Cup as there pretty good too.
Depends if you want a limited edition or a fat heavy slow car?
Depends if you want a limited edition or a fat heavy slow car?
Ignore Matt. He's so biased towards the Trophy he'd rather eat that than any turkey.
The 197 is a cracking car. A great improvement over the Mk2 in many respects. Test drive them both and see what you think.
Fletcher
ClioSport Club Member
I've driven several 197's, and IMO the 172/82 is a better drivers car...
So I'd go for a trophy, as that (Standard) is the best of all 172/82s.
So I'd go for a trophy, as that (Standard) is the best of all 172/82s.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Drive them and decide for yourself. Neither are bad cars.
IMO the Trophys better to drive, the 197 is the better everyday car. If you want a drivers hot hatch, the trophy can't be beaten. If you want a great everyday car, pay the extra for a golf gti. Pwns a 197 in every respect for me. Faster, better built, better interior, more economical, will retain more cash. I can't think of a single reason to buy a 197 for similar money.
IMO the Trophys better to drive, the 197 is the better everyday car. If you want a drivers hot hatch, the trophy can't be beaten. If you want a great everyday car, pay the extra for a golf gti. Pwns a 197 in every respect for me. Faster, better built, better interior, more economical, will retain more cash. I can't think of a single reason to buy a 197 for similar money.
I'd get a Trophy but depends what you want to use the car for really.
I am biased but out of the 197's I'd go for an R27 as it was also a limited edition or a 197 Cup but personally I like the Trophy as its a bit rawer.
Megane R26
Very few people on here have owned both, but Steve has, and he said that the 197 is a much more complete package in nearly every way.
Warren - a similar aged/miled 197 will be a LOT cheaper than a Golf though won't it? I do agree with you though, the Golf is the better everyday car, if a little... bland?
Warren - a similar aged/miled 197 will be a LOT cheaper than a Golf though won't it? I do agree with you though, the Golf is the better everyday car, if a little... bland?
I've owned a 182 FF and currentl own a Trophy but I have just ordered a 200.
For me the Trophy is a great handling car in the sense that it's very chuckable and reactive to inputs. But this same fizziness is what gets it into trouble when the road gets bumpy or when the speed picks up - it seems to start bouncing itself around too much where I get the impression the stability of the 197 or 200 will give it a significant advantage. On track it's great for the first few laps but after that the bounciness gets on your nerves, especially when you go for a bit of lift off oversteer; if you can get the rear to unstick it tends to hop around on three wheels rather than sliding wide in a nice arch like the wider 197 or 200 would.
The newer cars are MUCH MUCH better built as well - a combination of 6 years of development combined with an overdue drive on renault's part to finally sort their build quality out vis a vis the Mini.
For me the Trophy is a great handling car in the sense that it's very chuckable and reactive to inputs. But this same fizziness is what gets it into trouble when the road gets bumpy or when the speed picks up - it seems to start bouncing itself around too much where I get the impression the stability of the 197 or 200 will give it a significant advantage. On track it's great for the first few laps but after that the bounciness gets on your nerves, especially when you go for a bit of lift off oversteer; if you can get the rear to unstick it tends to hop around on three wheels rather than sliding wide in a nice arch like the wider 197 or 200 would.
The newer cars are MUCH MUCH better built as well - a combination of 6 years of development combined with an overdue drive on renault's part to finally sort their build quality out vis a vis the Mini.
jenic
ClioSport Club Member
My thoughts tbh^^^
Although I've not driven a trophy I find my cupped 182 very similar to the above.
The Trophy rolls a bit less than the 182 FF, but the both do that whole bouncey bouncey thing on track, which gets in the way when you're in maximum attack / full crazy idiot sideways mode.
I've only driven the 200 for 45 minutes on the road, but I have a feeling it's a lot more planted than the 182s ever were. I'll be able to tell you for sure in a few weeks time!
I've only driven the 200 for 45 minutes on the road, but I have a feeling it's a lot more planted than the 182s ever were. I'll be able to tell you for sure in a few weeks time!
The reason I never got a 197 was the fuel consumption. A 197 will do about 27on the motorway and 22 round town. The Trophy does 35/6 on the motorway and 32 ish around town.
If I had the cash I think I'd go for a 200 foremost, then a R27 then the Trophy. There is a large price difference between the 200, R27 and the Trophy still.
That is, if I could fuel them. As a package the 182 Trophy or 182 with Cup packs is the best overall package imo.
If I had the cash I think I'd go for a 200 foremost, then a R27 then the Trophy. There is a large price difference between the 200, R27 and the Trophy still.
That is, if I could fuel them. As a package the 182 Trophy or 182 with Cup packs is the best overall package imo.
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Poopensharten
ClioSport Club Member
Golf R
THe fuel consumption ultimatley puts me right off the 197
If it was quicker to the ton and faster to 60 then fair enough but the reality is that whilst it might be better built/better car it is no faster than a 2001 Phase 1 172 and thats proven time and time again.
Less fuel consumption and the same performance? No thanks
If it was quicker to the ton and faster to 60 then fair enough but the reality is that whilst it might be better built/better car it is no faster than a 2001 Phase 1 172 and thats proven time and time again.
Less fuel consumption and the same performance? No thanks
But newer and more reliable.
Maybe the trip computer is just more accurate?
Mine does 35 on the motorway and 25 generally, unless I tw*t it about everywhere.
Being honest, I've had several Clios going back 7 years now. None of them have ever presented any problems and been completley reliable. So don't agree with that. Any well looked after car will be fine.
I'm sad, I work out my mpg on each and every fill. The 172 trip would over read by about 2mpg from 38 to 36 (on a full tank). The 182 tends to be a slight bit more accurate by over reading by about 1 mpg. From the general 36.5 on the trip to 35 actual.
You get very good results from fuel. If I could have got that or told I'd get that I'd have been very happy. Ste01 off here showed me round his 197 Cup and on his trip it was on 22.5!!!! WTF!
I think what everyone states though is build quality is better. The Williams rattled like f**k, the 172 was pretty good until I stripped it out then it was bad. The Trophy is fairly rattly as it's so stiff suspension wise so anything in your glove box clangs about when going over bumps.
All I can suggested is instead of asking on here you go and test drive both cars and then you can decide.
Opinions on here are very subjective and what may suit myself, Jamie or others may not be right for you.
Opinions on here are very subjective and what may suit myself, Jamie or others may not be right for you.
LY 200
The new ones are 10x plus better in terms of build quality but then that is going by them in the showroom with bare miles on them - I havnt looked at one or been in one thats on 20k plus so you'll need to reserve total judgement until then really!
Having said that my 182's on 30k and it doesnt have any sinister rattles at all.
Having said that my 182's on 30k and it doesnt have any sinister rattles at all.
Poopensharten
ClioSport Club Member
Golf R
Ill be honest, i worry when they dont rattle lol
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
Completly agree with the above.
LY 200
LOL!
Much like Jamie i have had 3 different Clios in my 7 years of driving and they have all been as good as gold.....Maybe its because i got lucky, maybe its because there garaged and only used once in a while or maybe its because i overly look after them but regardless of what it is i wouldnt really have a bad word said about the Clio in terms of reliability.
And jamie did we really need that essay you c**k?
If you want cheaper thrills buy a Trophy if not buy a well speced 197 with cup chassis.
i thought it was because you couldnt afford one..or so you said.
btw...my williams 0159 STILL doesnt rattle or squeek etc. 0051 however is a diff story. like evrything, theres good ones and bad ones....altho havin no trim etc in 0051 doesnt help much tbh
I didn't get a 200 becuase I couldn't afford one of those. £15k on a 200 from a dealer was too steap. I was happy to spend upto 9k ish. I did want or was looking at a Focus RS mk1 but went against them too as I was scared of running costs and 9k on one of those was the bottom end of the range.
Standard 197s weren't very far away from what I spent on the T.
But I have no idea why you brought that up.
Standard 197s weren't very far away from what I spent on the T.
But I have no idea why you brought that up.
Poopensharten
ClioSport Club Member
Golf R
If it were 10k for a hot hatch it would be a Mk1 Focus RS all day everyday
Residual values are very strong and will remain so if kept well,15k for a Clio im sorry is utter lunacy (as much as i love them)
imo ofcourse
Residual values are very strong and will remain so if kept well,15k for a Clio im sorry is utter lunacy (as much as i love them)
imo ofcourse
LY 200
Indeed - My Valver/Hybrid never did whilst i had it!
Not sure about it just before it died though..... :dead:
