197 R27 Questions

[Michael172]

Hai.

Read somewhere that recently the gear ratios were revised, longer to make them less revvy at 70mph, and also quickshift.

Sat in a cup today and i forgot how good the 197 was, although the crappy interior of the cup kinda puts it off for me. The cup had the quickshift and im guessing the new ratios as well. Hoping to take one for a test drive in the next few weeks and also the new ctr (which is out of my price range from new but second hand i will be able to afford, just).


Does the R27 have them ? im not really fussed but it would bring it up in standards against the new ctr.

 

[riz]

the newer R27's have newer ratios iirc, do a search as i asked the same thing and someone posted a specific date of when they were changed,

 

[CabinFever]

All 197's built after Oct 2007 will have the revised gearbox.

 

[cat171]

1.2 clio to a 197 ? Impressive.

 

[Chili Red]

Sat in a cup today and i forgot how good the 197 was, although the crappy interior of the cup kinda puts it off for me. The cup had the quickshift and im guessing the new ratios as well. Hoping to take one for a test drive in the next few weeks and also the new ctr (which is out of my price range from new but second hand i will be able to afford, just).

I honestly don't think the 197 cup has a 'crappy' interior at all. I love the seats and I reckon it looks great inside and out.

It's FAR superior to the 182 cups which do have a crappy interior IMO!

 

[ForceIndia]

182cup interior (bar the door card fabric) isn't the different to the 182. 197's is no where near as nice as standard 197 (cheaper plastic, nastier steering wheel, most importantly no steering reach adjustment).

 

[Kneel]

aye all 197s after oct '07 have the revised gearbox and the short throw gearbox and clutch on the 197 is a dream compared to the mk2 clio's

 

[ForceIndia]

Not sure why, but whenever 197's come up, the owners/fans immediately begin comparing to the 1*2's. Overcompensating? Why not just face facts, the 197 does what the 1*2's can't, and vice versa.

 

[Peperami]

Not sure why, but whenever 197's come up, the owners/fans immediately begin comparing to the 1*2's. Overcompensating? Why not just face facts, the 197 does what the 1*2's can't, and vice versa.

Arguing? Dont start...

Would love a 197, think id be after something 2nd hand and a bit more special for that money though.

 

[trailerparktrev]

I wouldn't discount a car that was built before October 2007, because of the gearbox. The only ratios that were changed were 5th and 6th and they rev a couple of hundred RPMs lower - hardly earth shattering.

I own a September '07 build R27 and have driven a later 197 and the difference is hardly noticeable. The car is an A road car not a motorway hack.

 

[TheRedEyeJedi]

I really wouldnt worry about the old gearbox-- its fine. There is very little difference to the new ratios and once you get used to where to change it feels perfectly natural and just as quick.

People get too hung up on high revving cars imo- there is more to driving quick than thrashing the tits out of every gear change.

 

[ForceIndia]

TBF I think the new gearbox is preferable if in budget. Both rev high at mway speeds, but the new one is obviously better in this respect.

 

[ClioTom182]

I wouldn't discount a car that was built before October 2007, because of the gearbox. The only ratios that were changed were 5th and 6th and they rev a couple of hundred RPMs lower - hardly earth shattering.

I own a September '07 build R27 and have driven a later 197 and the difference is hardly noticeable. The car is an A road car not a motorway hack.

What he said I would be more worried about the earth shattering deprecation on buying one brand new at full asking price.....

 

[Michael172]

1.2 clio to a 197 ? Impressive.

The reason i bought another 1.2 in the first place was so i could save money again. Im sick of the Mk2 interior and i really do like the 197. Im also sick of the way the Mk2 looks, far too diddy and small and its starting to look a bit dated now ive had a nosey at a few different cars, in the photos ive seen it looks horrid but in the flesh it is fantastic, really nice. I love the cup but i would prefer to have the ncier interior, i will try and find a 197 r27 with those revised ratios as i would rarther have the better interior and the recaro seats.

Oh and it certainly wouldnt be new, id have to pay the car off in full or atleast so i have little finance to worry about, i hate having even a mobile phone contract. Hoping i could pick up an r27 with 12k on it or somehitng.

If i find i can afford the CTR i will get the Nike air max CTR its a much ncier car IMO. But the cup i find is also jaw dropping. Besides im in no rush to buy one.

 

[Michael172]

So what do you all think of the 197 then ? ive been in a 172 so you could compare it to that. But are they any good on fuel? OBVIOULY i mean driving it normally, id expect it drinks like a cow when you rag it.

 

[MillerLight]

its a great all round car

 

[ForceIndia]

its a great all round car

Just a bit thrirsty.

 

[Alan]

I wouldn't discount a car that was built before October 2007, because of the gearbox. The only ratios that were changed were 5th and 6th and they rev a couple of hundred RPMs lower - hardly earth shattering.

I own a September '07 build R27 and have driven a later 197 and the difference is hardly noticeable. The car is an A road car not a motorway hack.

+1 mate..

Mine is the same as yours IIRC, older box etc, i've driven the 'newer' box and it little maybe no diffence at all!!

People on here are so narrow minded at times!!

 

[evolution]

they are a bit thirsty, but to be fair, they do settle down a bit with age.

i used to average about 25mpg when i first got it, now i've past 12k, i regularly see 30mpg.

still i bit poo tho, i remember seeing 34mpg quite regularly in old 182.


regarding the interior, for me the biggest let down in the CUP version is the steering wheel. its the same one out of the dynamique spec models, and whilst perfectly adequete, isn;t particulalry sporty.

the wheel in the FF/R27s is lovely.... nice and chunky. it reminds me a lil' bit of the M3 steering wheel.

 

[Michael172]

I wouldn't discount a car that was built before October 2007, because of the gearbox. The only ratios that were changed were 5th and 6th and they rev a couple of hundred RPMs lower - hardly earth shattering.

I own a September '07 build R27 and have driven a later 197 and the difference is hardly noticeable. The car is an A road car not a motorway hack.

+1 mate..

Mine is the same as yours IIRC, older box etc, i've driven the 'newer' box and it little maybe no diffence at all!!

People on here are so narrow minded at times!!

Perhaps but i would RARTHER have one with the revised ratios.

they are a bit thirsty, but to be fair, they do settle down a bit with age.

i used to average about 25mpg when i first got it, now i've past 12k, i regularly see 30mpg.

still i bit poo tho, i remember seeing 34mpg quite regularly in old 182.


regarding the interior, for me the biggest let down in the CUP version is the steering wheel. its the same one out of the dynamique spec models, and whilst perfectly adequete, isn;t particulalry sporty.

the wheel in the FF/R27s is lovely.... nice and chunky. it reminds me a lil' bit of the M3 steering wheel.

Agreed the steering wheel is ace you also dont get the metal pedals either which is a shame.

thanks for the info, i guess once its run in itl be okay. I dont expect it to be brilliant, not compared to my 1.2 350 miles a tank and filling up every 2 weeks :star:

 

[Poopensharten]

If your keeping them long term id definatley go for the CTR for the re-sale value, the proofs in the 182 market, every day now there are threads >

"whys my 182 not selling..." and "182 for 6k...."

Christ thats alot of depreciation in a little amount of time.

I wouldnt get the new type R either, the Ep 3 will do the same thing for cheaper?

 

[Michael172]

I dont like the breadvan, hate the looks and hate the interior. And yer they will hold their value more i would imagine itl be the last car i have untill i move out of the country.

Ill test drivem em both and see whats what.

 

[seb]

don't ask the dreaded fuel question lol .

if you drive it like a nun and change gear at like 3k you'll get 34/35mpg.

if you drive it briskly and have a few red lines and cruise at 80 - 90 on motorway you'll see 26 - 28mpg.

if you drive it like a 182 owning chav chariot punk you'll get 20mpg lol

 

[Poopensharten]

Problem with the Honda is it has to be driven very hard to get the most from it making for shiit economy, although the reliability is second to none, bar the rattling windows (when there down) That was chronically irritating and there was no god damn fix either

 

[Ben.]

1.2 clio to a 197 ? Impressive.

especially at 19! insurance is surely going to be hugley expensive?

still i would love one, they look great. i would try and get the newest one you can afford so you have the warranty

 

[Michael172]

Im sure i mentioned i was buying when im 21. Well there you go.....Im not going to buy untill im 21. Which is a while away. year and a bit but time flys doesnt it

i intended to get a 172 at 20 but id rarther have somehting a little newer tbh.

I can afford insurance, i just dont wat finance on the car.

 

[Alan]

don't ask the dreaded fuel question lol .

if you drive it like a nun and change gear at like 3k you'll get 34/35mpg.

if you drive it briskly and have a few red lines and cruise at 80 - 90 on motorway you'll see 26 - 28mpg.

if you drive it like a 182 owning chav chariot punk you'll get 20mpg lol

Spot on mate...i've never seen more than 33mpg on a motorway run...85ish around 29-31 lol..

 

[seb]

yeah doing 65mph-70mph will give you 34mpg, but you may need a few more miles on your car i reckon. but you do have to be really patient with it to get the 34mpg

 

[Rich]

don't ask the dreaded fuel question lol .

if you drive it like a nun and change gear at like 3k you'll get 34/35mpg.

if you drive it briskly and have a few red lines and cruise at 80 - 90 on motorway you'll see 26 - 28mpg.

if you drive it like a 182 owning chav chariot punk you'll get 20mpg lol

Spot on mate...i've never seen more than 33mpg on a motorway run...85ish around 29-31 lol..

You most only ever see 20 mpg though sweet cheeks ....

 

[Alan]

yeah doing 65mph-70mph will give you 34mpg, but you may need a few more miles on your car i reckon. but you do have to be really patient with it to get the 34mpg

You're prob right mate...mine is just over 10k...tho when you're running a little late for a meeting and you have to press on, all i watch is the fly overs and 'sidings' for those lovely boys in T5's, 530D's and EVO's lol..

 

[CabinFever]

I have an 08 so revised gearbox. I drove a demo 197 with old gearbox and i could not tell the difference to be honest. The new gearbox is not going to be so earth shatteringly different, that you would notice on the road/motorway, not as much as people say anyway!

 

[Kneel]

Not sure why, but whenever 197's come up, the owners/fans immediately begin comparing to the 1*2's. Overcompensating? Why not just face facts, the 197 does what the 1*2's can't, and vice versa.

I was comparing to a mk2 1.2, dont really have any grounds to compare to a 1*2, why when we share our positives about the car over a mk2 do you instantly think its all about looking down on the 1*2s and not actually seeing that just maybe renault have improved a thing or 2 on the new clios?

In terms of driving the 197 its brilliant, the most I have got in terms of fuel economy was 36mpg on a long motorway journey with the cruise set at 70, around town I'm getting 29mpg and thats like others have said, a mix of occasionally driving it like an old lady when I cant be ar*ed and going to the limiter when I want

 

[socrates]

yeah doing 65mph-70mph will give you 34mpg, but you may need a few more miles on your car i reckon. but you do have to be really patient with it to get the 34mpg

bang on the nail i average abut 32 do about 330 miles a week motorway and about 50 road miles.
can go up to 35 on the motorway but once you are in town it drops like a stone to average it out.
i'm just coming up to 10k and is getting better.
i had a grand scenic from new and that went from 26 to 36 mpg after about 20k miles so there may be a bit more mpg to come from the 197.

 

[ForceIndia]

Not sure why, but whenever 197's come up, the owners/fans immediately begin comparing to the 1*2's. Overcompensating? Why not just face facts, the 197 does what the 1*2's can't, and vice versa.

I was comparing to a mk2 1.2, dont really have any grounds to compare to a 1*2, why when we share our positives about the car over a mk2 do you instantly think its all about looking down on the 1*2s and not actually seeing that just maybe renault have improved a thing or 2 on the new clios?

In terms of driving the 197 its brilliant, the most I have got in terms of fuel economy was 36mpg on a long motorway journey with the cruise set at 70, around town I'm getting 29mpg and thats like others have said, a mix of occasionally driving it like an old lady when I cant be ar*ed and going to the limiter when I want

Would sir like some reading glasses?

 

[Kneel]

I was comparing to a mk2 1.2, dont really have any grounds to compare to a 1*2, why when we share our positives about the car over a mk2 do you instantly think its all about looking down on the 1*2s and not actually seeing that just maybe renault have improved a thing or 2 on the new clios?

In terms of driving the 197 its brilliant, the most I have got in terms of fuel economy was 36mpg on a long motorway journey with the cruise set at 70, around town I'm getting 29mpg and thats like others have said, a mix of occasionally driving it like an old lady when I cant be ar*ed and going to the limiter when I want

Would sir like some reading glasses?

heh, your missing my point. You see that we're overcompensating and imply we are 'bigging' up the 197 as we think the 1*2s are inferior. Its not the case, I rave about my 197 because I like it more than the 1*2, the bits they have improved outweigh the lack of 'rawness' that the 1*2 has, and is easily worth the extra money. Its got nothing to do with the 1*2s being inferior...

 

[ForceIndia]

Firstly, you've said I haven't appreciated the improvments in the 197, I've said in the previous post that they do what the 1*2's can't. Or did you not write that? Why compare a car to older generations, much more relevant to compare to current competition.
Second, as per usual someone has to start comparing to 1*2's, my point is why? Both great cars.

 

[Kneel]

Sorry you must have misread what I had wrote, or I hadn't put it across very well. I was saying that I as a 197 owner am not just writing good things about the 197 as I own 1 but also because they have made improvements over the 1*2s.
I also agree, both cars are great cars and imho if I had owned a 1*2 before buying the 197 I would probably look at something else, as whilst the 197 is an upgrade from a 1*2 its not going to be a huge difference, more small things like the shorter gear throw and better handling and brakes etc.
If you are going straight from a 1.2/1.4/1.6 to a 2.0, I would personally go for the 197 as I did. If I was upgrading from a 1*2 I would personally look at a V6 or another car altogether as the differences cant be that big to want to spend an extra £5kish on a similar car.

 

[doh123]

[quote

if you drive it like a 182 owning chav chariot punk you'll get 20mpg lol [/quote]

Seb thinks he's a cut above in his early model, dodgy ratioed 197 (more like 185) He'll take a heck of a hit when he tries to chop it in. The 1*2's may be getting a bit boy racerish, but they offer similar if not better performance a good bit cheaper.

 

[ForceIndia]

[quote

if you drive it like a 182 owning chav chariot punk you'll get 20mpg lol

Seb thinks he's a cut above in his early model, dodgy ratioed 197 (more like 185) He'll take a heck of a hit when he tries to chop it in. The 1*2's may be getting a bit boy racerish, but they offer similar if not better performance a good bit cheaper.[/quote]
He also enjoys baiting .

 

[doh123]

A moderator should act more responsibly. lol