Almost bought a 212bhp Willy

[_Tom]

Went to look at a williams the other day which i thought was more or less standard. Spoke to the kiddy onthe phone and there was no mention of it being modded in any way. Great i thought!

Got there and then he started telling me it had a Unichip, decat ect and one other toy he likes - Nitrous!

Th car was very quick and had RR printouts of 212bhp with N2o and 171bhp without but i phoned the insurance company and they wouldnt have it so that ended that one for me!

 

[Turkish]

i expect the nitrous was the killer, lots of insurance companies have an issue with it.

 

[Dan Page]

f**kinhell sounds cool....

 

[_Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 31 December 2004

i expect the nitrous was the killer, lots of insurance companies have an issue with it.

When i asked about it they basically read me my rights! lol

Dan - the car was mental! lol Id have it now if i could have insured the bugger!

 

[Turkish]

if the car was that good i personally would have bought it and disconnected the nitrous so as not to get in trouble with insurance and when you renew shop around for quotes with and without it and worst case then sell the kit if you still cant get cover with it.

 

[Matt16v]

Just buy it and dont tell them.

Stick the NOS in a bush if you crash!

 

[Turkish]

Great in theory but in the event of a crash where you are knocked unconscious/seriously hurt and/or have to be cut out of the car then youll be f**ked. Just my opinion though.

 

[Adams_16v]

take the nos off and flog it!

 

[XTR2000]

or.... Dont crash it

 

[_Tom]

Well the car didnt have a mark on it really - twas mint!

TBH though i was thinking about not telling them as i did want the car but i mentioned it and glad i was! They said that even if the bottle isnt in the car but its run into the throttle body then my insurance is void. She then went on about hitting someone is man slaughter blah blah blah and that freaked me out not to get it!

 

[_Tom]

212bhp be a good contender in the williams wars on here?

It was quick enough without n20! lol

 

[rockport]

Quote: Originally posted by Matt16v on 31 December 2004


Just buy it and dont tell them.

Stick the NOS in a bush if you crash!

lol

 

[Turkish]

Quote: Originally posted by Tom16v on 31 December 2004


Well the car didnt have a mark on it really - twas mint!

TBH though i was thinking about not telling them as i did want the car but i mentioned it and glad i was! They said that even if the bottle isnt in the car but its run into the throttle body then my insurance is void.

easy enough to blank the jet/s in the TB and remove some of the lines to keep yourself free from trouble.

She then went on about hitting someone is man slaughter blah blah blah and that freaked me out not to get it!

WTF?? is the woman on crack. Nitrous or no nitrous if you hit someone and kill them then it will more than likely go to court and if it does its certainly not going to be a case of "nitrous fitted to the car at the time ?" YES = youre going down NO = case dismissed go home. What a tw*t.

 

[Rick]

Quote: Originally posted by XTR2000 on 31 December 2004


or.... Dont crash it

lol, no one expects to crash mate! But the last thing you want is to have to make a claim and then be worrying if your insurance is gonna be voided, especially if you hit another car/person.

If was as good as you say then Id be inclined to see about getting it and taking off the nos, although Id imagine you would need another inlet manifold. The only concern for me would be the fact that he didnt mention it was modified and then pulled out a RR graph showing 200bhp+. What else might he not tell you...

 

[_Tom]

Its not just if you crash remember. Someone can crash into you and your not covered! Car can get nicked and it gets found - not covered. Its too dodgy for me.

Then i thought about buying it and takin the gas off but id rather buy one that never had it at all if that was the case.

 

[Daz]

I dont see the point in NOS.. at all..

Isnt it like £40 for 2 1/2 minutes?

 

[Matt16v]

So what about track days when insurance doesnt come into it?

Are you supposed to install and uninstall the nos on the day?

 

[_Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by Daz on 31 December 2004

I dont see the point in NOS.. at all..

Isnt it like £40 for 2 1/2 minutes?

Nah

This had a 50 shot and was £25 and would last a constant 12mins or something? It only comes on with full acceleration.

Bearing in mind you only use it in blasts normaly it does last quite a while.

 

[Matt16v]

Depends how you use it and what set up you have.

Progressive systems come on as you accelerate others just spray when you push the button.

 

[Adams_16v]

your not supposed to use it in any more than 10 second blasts i think!

 

[u33db]

Pah - NOS is cheating - tune it the mans way!

 

[Willy Williams]

If NOS has been fitted it gives you an idea about how the car has been driven. I doubt this guy ever takes it easy. If you want a Williams you are better getting one owned by a middle aged man, completely standard, which has been used with respect. If you want it to be trouble free and last, i recommend you dont touch a Williams that has NOS fitted.

Plus its been scientifically proven that those that fit NOS to their cars later go on to use poppers in gay sex acts and also rob banks.



IMO of course.

 

[Matt16v]

NOS if set up right doesnt damage the engine though.

 

[Willy Williams]

Neither do fast road cams damage the engine, but i wouldnt buy a Williams with fast road cams.



When buying a Williams standard is the name of the game.

Only two types buy tuned Williams

1. Paul Mitchel (after they have been wrapped around a tree)

2. Fools



IMO of course

 

[Turkish]

Common misconception that NOS does damage, as matt says if set up correctly it does not. Like all tuned or hard driven cars, cars with NOS fitted will suffer an accelerated rate of wear but not damage.

 

[Rasclart]

Just because someone fits NOS doesnt mean that it has been thrashed and not looked after!

I have several mates which have NOS fitted to an Ibiza Cupra R and a Skyline GTS and both In paticular the Skyline owner look after them like there child.

The williams is a performance Renault, most will have been been driven fairly hard, rarely are they bought to Pootle round town in, if it has been maintained I dont see the problem, if the bodywork was mint and so forth it would seem he may well have! Plus its a renualt no matter how well its looked after its going to bloody fall apart LOL

 

[Willy Williams]

The harder you drive the car the more it will wear. The more tuned it is the harder it will be driven. Therefore, all things being equal, the more tuned an engine the quicker it will wear.

Plus you can build up a picture of the person who drives the car from what is done to it.

Fitting NOS on road car = foolish = foolish owner = DONT BUY HIS CAR



IMO of course

 

[Turkish]

Quote: Originally posted by Willy Williams on 31 December 2004


The harder you drive the car the more it will wear. correct however this applies to all cars no matter what state of tune and irrespective of it having NOS T

he more tuned it is the harder it will be driven.Thats an assumtion, my dad has a type R with 200bhp but my mate with a 1.0 106 with less than 100bhp drives his harder.

Therefore, all things being equal, the more tuned an engine the quicker it will wear. True but this does not apply soley to NOS

Plus you can build up a picture of the person who drives the car from what is done to it. Its probable that they may drive a performance variant of a car harder but this is by no means a garantee and is an assumption on your part.

Fitting NOS on road car = foolish = foolish owner = DONT BUY HIS CAR

Yeah whatever

IMO of course

 

[Matt16v]

If it was a nova Id probably worry.

Not on a Williams, its a Renault and it will go wrong numerous times any way so might as well have fun till it does!

Also the engine is the only thing on a Williams that can be tuned!!

People say standard this standard that but most have the wrong oil, tyres and petrol at the min so its not standard!

I agree to leave the body and suspension alone but the engine has alot of room for improvement.

 

[Rasclart]

I agree with what Loony said! Especially the 106 to Type R thing, its true smaller cars get thrashed to within an inch of there life.

I used to own a Clio 16V, and now own a MR2 Turbo. I used to Thrash the 16V (But look after it) as it needed to be driven hard to get the performance out of it.

I now find myself driving a lot more relaxed than before as there is no need to, plus the low down power helps! How do you know your car hasnt been thrashed Willy Williams????

 

[_Tom]

I must say this car had over 8ks worth of receipts and all work was done by pros and warrented. It had a FRSH and all work on the car other than tuning was done by Renault. All tuning work was done by Interpro (Bristol).

The lad that was selling the car was minted and had owned the car the last 4 years - last year he only did 3k as its his weekend car. Probably a battered 3k though. He shat himself when i drove it though so must have cared for it.

His bro owns Autovision styling who kept the car mint - http://www.autovisonstyling.co.ukwww.autovisonstyling.co.uk

Trust me if i could have insured it, it would be on my drive now!

 

[Rasclart]

I would have had no hesitations getting that! Well looked after by the sounds of it and properly set up.

You should have bought it and taken the NOS of youth

Go back there and buy it now!

 

[_Tom]

One thing that shows it was healthy is that it makes 171bhp without gas with just a chip, exhaust and decat!

When i first booted it i said i take it thats with nos yeah? lol He then switched it on!

 

[Willy Williams]

Quote: Originally posted by Rasclart on 31 December 2004


I agree with what Loony said! Especially the 106 to Type R thing, its true smaller cars get thrashed to within an inch of there life.

I used to own a Clio 16V, and now own a MR2 Turbo. I used to Thrash the 16V (But look after it) as it needed to be driven hard to get the performance out of it.

I now find myself driving a lot more relaxed than before as there is no need to, plus the low down power helps! How do you know your car hasnt been thrashed Willy Williams????





I didnt. Thats why i completely rebuilt the suspension, and got Nick hill to rebuild the engine.

 

[Willy Williams]

Quote: Originally posted by Tom16v on 31 December 2004


One thing that shows it was healthy is that it makes 171bhp without gas with just a chip, exhaust and decat!

When i first booted it i said i take it thats with nos yeah? lol He then switched it on!

How much did he want? If it is a real minter just take the NOS off. Trust me youll save yourself a shed load of time. Some people take years looking for a decent Williams.

Its not uncommon for a Williams to make that sort of power. I beleive Flaming Monkeys Willy made 131 BHP atw at a recent rr, and ive got a feeling it is standard (although youd have to ask him for details).


[Edited by Willy Williams on 31 December 2004 at 11:59am]

 

[2 live]

Quote: Originally posted by Matt16v on 31 December 2004


If it was a nova Id probably worry.

Not on a Williams, its a Renault and it will go wrong numerous times any way so might as well have fun till it does!

Also the engine is the only thing on a Williams that can be tuned!!

People say standard this standard that but most have the wrong oil, tyres and petrol at the min so its not standard!

I agree to leave the body and suspension alone but the engine has alot of room for improvement.

lol....wot a load of bollox



no suspension improvements??



lmfao



if u want a decent one mate best thing is to buy a completely std 1......thats the best way to see if the engine/box etc is goodor not....give it a thrashing on the test run see how it goes........iv come across williams with 200 bhp before now...and completely annialated em....with 140 bhp?? lmao........

nos in my book is a big no no unles u cant do anything else to tune the engine.....a pussies way out if u like



btw....think its doms off pgti forum.....but he has a willy on nos.....and it only runs 14.0s............waste of money if u ask me

 

[FlamingMonkey]

Quote: Originally posted by Willy Williams on 31 December 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Tom16v on 31 December 2004


One thing that shows it was healthy is that it makes 171bhp without gas with just a chip, exhaust and decat!

When i first booted it i said i take it thats with nos yeah? lol He then switched it on!

How much did he want? If it is a real minter just take the NOS off. Trust me youll save yourself a shed load of time. Some people take years looking for a decent Williams.

Its not uncommon for a Williams to make that sort of power. I beleive Flaming Monkeys Willy made 131 BHP atw at a recent rr, and ive got a feeling it is standard (although youd have to ask him for details).


[Edited by Willy Williams on 31 December 2004 at 11:59am]

Well the first time I RRd it it made 137 ATW, and 12?-summat 2nd time, not sure exactly, but was more than Northys , but its not standard really Ive got a Magnex, Decat and Panel Filter, mine 137, 2lives 140, but on the road 2lives is miles quicker (just wait till i get me some cams too...lol), by a very big margin, to be honest I would be suspisious of a read out that high without the NOS, but if it is genuine it should fly.

Go for it I reckon, the Renault history is worth its salt and if it has been treated well like you say, it should give you many miles of good driving.