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AndyRg - 20VT French/German Sleeper ish
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
Yeh the pistons are Mahle, wouldn't say 600 however. 400 seems to be the going rate before people change.
Yeh the pistons are Mahle, wouldn't say 600 however. 400 seems to be the going rate before people change.
Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
More than likely. The valves let go around 400 too. They benefit alot from WMI too. Mine was running a GT2871r eliminator kit, with 364bhp/321lb-ft @28psi it should've done more but the exh housing was restrictive. Internally all I did was rods on it. And if the guy who has bought it, does back out ill be doing the same as this.
More than likely. The valves let go around 400 too. They benefit alot from WMI too. Mine was running a GT2871r eliminator kit, with 364bhp/321lb-ft @28psi it should've done more but the exh housing was restrictive. Internally all I did was rods on it. And if the guy who has bought it, does back out ill be doing the same as this.
Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
Rods are only a few hundred quid. And at least you have a decent ish gearbox unlike my turbo. It's still a cool car
Rods are only a few hundred quid. And at least you have a decent ish gearbox unlike my turbo. It's still a cool car
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
lol poor blokes just dusted it off and finished up and you two bring that up now :dapprove:
lol poor blokes just dusted it off and finished up and you two bring that up now :dapprove:
Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
TBH, I wasnt aware that Andy didnt already know the rods are an issue, I just assumed anyone working with one of these engines would know that.
It really isnt a big deal though, whacking a set of rods in is not even a days work and not expensive either.
TBH, I wasnt aware that Andy didnt already know the rods are an issue, I just assumed anyone working with one of these engines would know that.
It really isnt a big deal though, whacking a set of rods in is not even a days work and not expensive either.
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
Been playing.
Not a bad fit
Been playing.
Not a bad fit
Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
I forgot youve got a modus haha!
LOL
I forgot youve got a modus haha!
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
Every one i speak to in the trade who map these says the engine i have has stronger pins and rods, and well capable and reliable at 300hp with matching torque. if it throws a rod then, all i need is a new motor there widly available and then ill forge it some thing to do hey
Yeah shes dirty hahaha had my lunch in it and its stood for a while, full valet when shes finished
Every one i speak to in the trade who map these says the engine i have has stronger pins and rods, and well capable and reliable at 300hp with matching torque. if it throws a rod then, all i need is a new motor there widly available and then ill forge it
some thing to do hey Yeah shes dirty hahaha had my lunch in it and its stood for a while, full valet when shes finished
Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
The stronger rods and pins are all a myth. They have 19mm or 20mm. That's the only fundamental difference. Rods are the same across the board on the 20mm. It's all a myth that the BAM is the strongest too.
The stronger rods and pins are all a myth. They have 19mm or 20mm. That's the only fundamental difference. Rods are the same across the board on the 20mm. It's all a myth that the BAM is the strongest too.
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
I'm hoping it holds up well coz i have your next task ready
Excelent work as always mate
Every one i speak to in the trade who map these says the engine i have has stronger pins and rods, and well capable and reliable at 300hp with matching torque. if it throws a rod then, all i need is a new motor there widly available and then ill forge it
Yeah shes dirty hahaha had my lunch in it and its stood for a while, full valet when shes finished
I'm hoping it holds up well coz i have your next task ready
Excelent work as always mate
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
I am confident that all will be fine ! the clio 225 engines are only ok to 280bhp mine ran 340 for a year and is still fine!! Luck of the draw.
wahoo lets get building squire
I'm hoping it holds up well coz i have your next task ready
Excelent work as always mate
I am confident that all will be fine !
the clio 225 engines are only ok to 280bhp mine ran 340 for a year and is still fine!! Luck of the draw. wahoo lets get building squire
Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
If you map it to be a bit conservative on the ignition to lead to marginally lower PCP's the rods will survive a lot better.
Ive been running around 300bhp on standard 172 rods, which arent even as manly as the 225 ones.
Also cutting down on massive midrange torque by feeding the boost in more at high rpm is a good way to give them an easier life.
If you map it to be a bit conservative on the ignition to lead to marginally lower PCP's the rods will survive a lot better.
Ive been running around 300bhp on standard 172 rods, which arent even as manly as the 225 ones.
Also cutting down on massive midrange torque by feeding the boost in more at high rpm is a good way to give them an easier life.
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
Chip id rather blow a hole on the block than have a girly weak map that has no torque !!! ( awaits Wilkys comments ) hahahaha
But i appreciate all the advice and when it goes POp you all are not allowed to say " We told you" hahahahhaha
p.s i have planned for over xmas to forge any ways may just get a spare motor
Chip id rather blow a hole on the block than have a girly weak map that has no torque !!! ( awaits Wilkys comments ) hahahaha
But i appreciate all the advice and when it goes POp you all are not allowed to say " We told you" hahahahhaha
p.s i have planned for over xmas to forge any ways may just get a spare motor
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
Followed this and not yet commented, looks superb as I'd have expected after previous projects.
Does the Climate work as before then with this too?
Followed this and not yet commented, looks superb as I'd have expected after previous projects.
Does the Climate work as before then with this too?
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
yes the control panel hot/cold works great, only think ive lost is the actual air con its self
yes the control panel hot/cold works great, only think ive lost is the actual air con its self
PH1 loads of boost!
Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
Depends what you mean by "no torque" TBH mate.
There is a limit to how useful it is to have a massive hump of torque just for 500rpm before the turbo starts to run out of puff which is how these are often mapped, the key thing with torque isnt the peak figure, its having a good spread of it.
If you have 250lbft from 3k-7K it will go like stink, having a 340lbft hump from 3k-3500rpm isnt going to actually improve anything performance wise on track, and in fact is just likely to light the tyres up and then by the time you have got control of the them again you are off the end of the torque hump anyway and it doesnt go very well.
Its getting up the minimum torque that is present in the parts of the rev range you use that is the key, not exaggerating a torque spike. That might feel impressive on the road when you put your foot down, but its not how to be fast on track coming out of a bend in a light fwd car.
Chip id rather blow a hole on the block than have a girly weak map that has no torque !!! ( awaits Wilkys comments ) hahahaha
But i appreciate all the advice and when it goes POp you all are not allowed to say " We told you" hahahahhaha
p.s i have planned for over xmas to forge any ways may just get a spare motor
Depends what you mean by "no torque" TBH mate.
There is a limit to how useful it is to have a massive hump of torque just for 500rpm before the turbo starts to run out of puff which is how these are often mapped, the key thing with torque isnt the peak figure, its having a good spread of it.
If you have 250lbft from 3k-7K it will go like stink, having a 340lbft hump from 3k-3500rpm isnt going to actually improve anything performance wise on track, and in fact is just likely to light the tyres up and then by the time you have got control of the them again you are off the end of the torque hump anyway and it doesnt go very well.
Its getting up the minimum torque that is present in the parts of the rev range you use that is the key, not exaggerating a torque spike. That might feel impressive on the road when you put your foot down, but its not how to be fast on track coming out of a bend in a light fwd car.
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
there is a " comapny" on here whos maps are so boring its unreal and all the torque gets mapped out of them to help the gearbox i assume, and its boring and slow! haha i think they have a new lad now so may be different im talking 3 years back
My mapper who i use is very very good and knows how to set these things up, using a boost controller that adjusts each boost target at different rpm and gear does help with a FWD car but i like RAW animalness. i do admit and have been there that too much power on track is a waste of time and does make you slower , thats why we have various maps for things like this, id never dream of using a 340bhp clio on the track with out a diff it would be a waste of time, i'm not a person who chases figures tho just how it drives
Your input as always Chip lad is grateful and i information took on board! its people like you who help members on here make the CLUB a club .....
there is a " comapny" on here whos maps are so boring its unreal and all the torque gets mapped out of them to help the gearbox i assume, and its boring and slow! haha i think they have a new lad now so may be different im talking 3 years back
My mapper who i use is very very good and knows how to set these things up, using a boost controller that adjusts each boost target at different rpm and gear does help with a FWD car
but i like RAW animalness. i do admit and have been there that too much power on track is a waste of time and does make you slower , thats why we have various maps for things like this, id never dream of using a 340bhp clio on the track with out a diff it would be a waste of time, i'm not a person who chases figures tho just how it drives Your input as always Chip lad is grateful and i information took on board!
its people like you who help members on here make the CLUB a club .....Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
Yeah, decent boost control is definitely the key, on the autronic I am using on my honda turbo project I can set up a map of rpm vs tps = boost
Makes for a very drivable car at the end, as if you come out of a bend at half throttle you only get minimal boost, you dont end up still hitting peak boost like on more basic setups, I think thats the main reason people say turbo cars dont handle, cause they have driven ones where the throttle just doenst give the drive enough say in how much torque they get once the turbo starts to spool. C20LET corsas on chipped standard management for example are terrible!
And agree on the diff too, really does help massively on the way out of bends, good thing is you can get one cheaply for your box compared to a clio box!
Yeah, decent boost control is definitely the key, on the autronic I am using on my honda turbo project I can set up a map of rpm vs tps = boost
Makes for a very drivable car at the end, as if you come out of a bend at half throttle you only get minimal boost, you dont end up still hitting peak boost like on more basic setups, I think thats the main reason people say turbo cars dont handle, cause they have driven ones where the throttle just doenst give the drive enough say in how much torque they get once the turbo starts to spool. C20LET corsas on chipped standard management for example are terrible!
And agree on the diff too, really does help massively on the way out of bends, good thing is you can get one cheaply for your box compared to a clio box!
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
every things cheap for the VW compaired to French stuff!!! Wahoo the German s
every things cheap for the VW compaired to French stuff!!!
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Clios are epic little cars, can see why you keep coming back to them, but yeah VW/Honda/Vauxhall power makes SO much more sense when it comes to getting decent power.
Have you still got all the details of the shafts you had made by the way? I think Danpl6 will probably appreciate it if you can get him some too as yours seem to work so well and were such good value.
every things cheap for the VW compaired to French stuff!!!
Clios are epic little cars, can see why you keep coming back to them, but yeah VW/Honda/Vauxhall power makes SO much more sense when it comes to getting decent power.
Have you still got all the details of the shafts you had made by the way? I think Danpl6 will probably appreciate it if you can get him some too as yours seem to work so well and were such good value.
Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
I think mine will be different length being a 6 speed box tbh, but, Info would be muchos appreciated..
I think mine will be different length being a 6 speed box tbh, but, Info would be muchos appreciated..
Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
In theory, however as mines an LCR it runs different lengths to the rest of the group. As they run different hubs with better roll centres.
In theory, however as mines an LCR it runs different lengths to the rest of the group. As they run different hubs with better roll centres.
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Re: AndyRG - Opps ive done it again!
Dan ill send u some info shafts will be different but easy peasy to measure
Dan ill send u some info shafts will be different but easy peasy to measure
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very long day,back from mapping and then toa dyno for tweeks and rroad output
very impressed at 343bhp and 311lb at 1.4 bat on a vf35 ihi its bloody stupid. ive ordered a diff while at the rolling road along sode some uprated internals@)
very impressed at 343bhp and 311lb
at 1.4 bat on a vf35 ihi its bloody stupid. ive ordered a diff while at the rolling road along sode some uprated internals@)
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why hang about!! my wife just isnt getting the wipp set she wanted for xmas
my wife just isnt getting the wipp set she wanted for xmas
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lol at sleeper-ish!
Yeah I'd deffo call it a sleeper. Alright people know a 172 isn't a 1.2 but they won't be expecting that sort of power still.
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