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NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

Joah said:
Top work as always! So glad it made more than you wanted.

Cheers mate. Yeah it was certainly a nice surprise to see the numbers keep rising like they did - especially when you consider how hot it was as well.

And not an itb in sight. :wink:

Chris15 · May 10, 2016

Will you post some final pictures of the car in all it's glory?

NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

Chris15 said:
Will you post some final pictures of the car in all it's glory?

Yeah there will be some pics mate. This thread will be kept alive anyway as I still have a few outstanding bits and pieces I want to fit/sort.
I may fit a gearbox oil cooler at some point as well purely for reliability reasons.

Gray · May 10, 2016

YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!

Awesome results Mark, bet that goes like a rat up a drain pipe

Martin. · May 10, 2016

Awesome car, awesome project, awesome results!!!

Hats off to you!

Bet it goes like a scolded cat.

Look forward to the day I see this and can have a passenger ride!

bozothenutter · May 10, 2016

Wow great result mate!

SamB123 · May 10, 2016

great stuff!!
just the engine spec list makes me drool and the engine bay looks spot on!!!

great thread and would love to see this in motion :up:

massiveCoRbyn · May 10, 2016

NorthloopCup said:
Itbs are a dirty word in this thread mate!! I'd say it would probably do a higher peak hp figure, but it would lose torque due to the runners being shorter.

Ha! I know I know, but it would be interesting, just for the sake of science. I would guess you are right. Getting good runner length to keep the torque up would be difficult. Should be a riot now for sure, good torque for a little four banger.

I am looking forward to a ride some time!

numbers_ · May 10, 2016

NorthloopCup said:
I'm definitely not scared of taking too much kerb at the 'ring mate. I have video evidence. Flol!

Now I've been reading this thread for a while, never clicked on the user name until now haha.
Grats on the figures, can't wait to see that torque curve

GrahamS · May 10, 2016

Holy Moses that's an amazing figure Mark. Really brilliant, makes me want to stay N/A with numbers that high and a rev limit like that. Thumbs up on a stunning build. Congratulations on the little un too, I missed that until now.

NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

Ok so mega multi quote time!!

Gray said:
YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!!!!

Awesome results Mark, bet that goes like a rat up a drain pipe :smile:

Cheers mate. Not driven it yet, but I'm collecting it soon so I'll report back when I have.

Martin. said:
Awesome car, awesome project, awesome results!!!

Hats off to you!

Bet it goes like a scolded cat.

Look forward to the day I see this and can have a passenger ride!

Thanks Martin! As above! Might have to do a little video......

bozothenutter said:
Wow great result mate!

Thanks mate!

SamB123 said:
great stuff!!
just the engine spec list makes me drool and the engine bay looks spot on!!!

great thread and would love to see this in motion :up:

Thanks! Yeah you don't realise how much you've put into the engine/build until you write it all down in a list like that!! Best not let the wife see. Lol:tearsofjoy:

massivewangers said:
Ha! I know I know, but it would be interesting, just for the sake of science. I would guess you are right. Getting good runner length to keep the torque up would be difficult. Should be a riot now for sure, good torque for a little four banger.

I am looking forward to a ride some time!

Yeah I'm looking forward to the first drive now. It's been over 18 months since the last one, and it's gained around 50hp and 25lb/ft! :smilingimp:

numbers_ said:
Now I've been reading this thread for a while, never clicked on the user name until now haha.
Grats on the figures, can't wait to see that torque curve

Cheers! Once I have the graph I'll post it up so everyone can see it. It's not as peaky as the fuel map though. That looked like the Pyrenees thanks to resonance and lumpy cams!!

GrahamS said:
Holy Moses that's an amazing figure Mark. Really brilliant, makes me want to stay N/A with numbers that high and a rev limit like that. Thumbs up on a stunning build. Congratulations on the little un too, I missed that until now.

At £250 per piston and £500 per camshaft I'd advise going for boost mate. Lol! Getting the numbers like that in n/a form is a lot harder than boost, and it also puts strain on everything revving up to 8k.

Cheers though mate, and thanks for the congratulations. :up:

avstar1 · May 10, 2016

Well done Mark, one of the best build's I've read in a long while. Congrats... You deserve the success of the fruits of your labour! and hopefully more to come...

NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

avstar1 said:
Well done Mark, one of the best build's I've read in a long while. Congrats... You deserve the success of the fruits of your labour! and hopefully more to come...

Cheers mate! Appreciate you taking the time to read through it all.

I've looked into the costs to take this engine one step further already. Open mind and all that. Lol

JamesBryan · May 10, 2016

Are we talking roughly £10k to build an engine of this spec?

NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

JamesBryan said:
Are we talking roughly £10k to build an engine of this spec?

I think you could build one like mine for in the region of £6k mate, but to go to the next step you'll be nearer to £10k. The next step is steel rods, crank, solid lifter top end and a different cam profile. That would then see you at maxi evo spec, so a potential 250hp at 8400rpm.

NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

And yes, I have looked into upping the spec. 🙈

JamesBryan · May 10, 2016

250 n/a in these would be an awesome feeling.

NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

JamesBryan said:
250 n/a in these would be an awesome feeling.

It delivers the same torque as what I've got now in maxi evo spec as well.

JamesBryan · May 10, 2016

Daz... · May 10, 2016

High revs and some torque? That would really upset the vtec boys 😂

NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

Daz... said:
High revs and some torque? That would really upset the vtec boys 😂

Lol!!

Jamie86 · May 10, 2016

Did chip sell that solid lifter kit?

Great result Mark! Ring trip in mid July I know a few planning it..

NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

Jamie86 said:
Did chip sell that solid lifter kit? :wink:

Great result Mark! Ring trip in mid July I know a few planning it..

Yeah he did mate. It would be the genuine R3 maxi evo stuff I'll buy if I do progress this anyway as its all tried and tested in this engine.

Yeah it's looking favourable, but not 100% confirmed yet. With a wife that'll be 26 weeks pregnant, she may have other ideas.

NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

Ok so seeing as it's now making some proper hp, I thought it's time to dig out the gearbox oil cooler. This is another leftover item from off my Astra build.

It's tried and tested and proven to work, and let's be honest, the jc5 needs as much help as it can get! Lol!

Just a case of where/when to install it, but I think it'll be done over winter when it's in hibernation.

Back in the game. More to come!! Lol

massiveCoRbyn · May 10, 2016

Yeah I think now is the time to try and get some enjoyment out of it. Get the essentials done and then have some fun. You can always make more tweaks later.

Very easy for a project to get very long-winded as you know already I'm sure, so be good for you to have some fun over the summer!

Gerben Visser · May 10, 2016

Really awesome result, congrats. After the whole building proces this is a great reward. Must give a lot satisfaction I think, and thats where you doing it for!

Is the car finished now or do you have more plans for the future? Or just enjoying it and keeping him healthy?

NorthloopCup · May 10, 2016

massivewangers said:
Yeah I think now is the time to try and get some enjoyment out of it. Get the essentials done and then have some fun. You can always make more tweaks later.

Very easy for a project to get very long-winded as you know already I'm sure, so be good for you to have some fun over the summer!

I'll definitely be getting some enjoyment from it now mate. I've got the pms shifter to fit, but other than that it'll be getting driven and enjoyed.

Gerben Visser said:
Really awesome result, congrats. After the whole building proces this is a great reward. Must give a lot satisfaction I think, and thats where you doing it for!

Is the car finished now or do you have more plans for the future? Or just enjoying it and keeping him healthy?

Cheers! Yeah it was a nice feeling seeing it make the numbers and stay in one piece.

As for what the future holds, who knows mate. For the time being I'll just be enjoying it.

rich83 · May 11, 2016

Good effort mate.
How much was done to your inlet? Extensive or just spit and polish!?

My K20 plans have been abandoned (annoyingly so because I've got a whole engine and box to shift!), but it's encouraging to see results on the plenum. 1600rpm idle though, WAY more lairy than 403's dude! Hoping some headwork and inlet love I might be able to knock out 220bhp

Robmarriott · May 11, 2016

What was your Astra like? As a converted Vauxhall geek I'm interested!

NorthloopCup · May 11, 2016

rich83 said:
Good effort mate.
How much was done to your inlet? Extensive or just spit and polish!?

My K20 plans have been abandoned (annoyingly so because I've got a whole engine and box to shift!), but it's encouraging to see results on the plenum. 1600rpm idle though, WAY more lairy than 403's dude! Hoping some headwork and inlet love I might be able to knock out 220bhp :smile:

Cheers Rich! Not a lot tbh mate. Just matched it all properly and then gave it a good polish.

Yeah the cams are in Scoffs words, 'radical'. Lol!!

Robmarriott said:
What was your Astra like? As a converted Vauxhall geek I'm interested!

There's some pics of it a few pages back mate. Annoyingly I have none of the engine bay though. Did you used to go to the Vauxhall shows then?

Robmarriott · May 11, 2016

Yeah, I used to be fairly in to the whole 'scene', shows, forums, the lot. I even worked for PVD back in the day (although that's not always the best thing to admit)

NorthloopCup · May 11, 2016

Robmarriott said:
Yeah, I used to be fairly in to the whole 'scene', shows, forums, the lot. I even worked for PVD back in the day (although that's not always the best thing to admit)

Ah right ok. I did the shows but not the forums back in the day. Lol! Didn't they mug some people off? I remember them disappearing, but not the reasons why.

Robmarriott · May 11, 2016

Yeah, had issues paying the bills with suppliers and went under, I jumped ship before then though!

LeeRS · May 11, 2016

NorthloopCup said:
Right time for the final instalment!!

As I mentioned previously, a vvc engine is mapped backwards in comparison to the conventional way of building up the rpm and mapping through the load sites. This meant that the engines potential would be seen within 6-10 dyno pulls.
Scoff then set the rollers in motion and it was game on. So what you need to keep in mind is that the high ambient air temps on the day and in the dyno cell obviously have an impact on power. Also worth noting is the R3 engine is quoted as 230hp and 180lb/ft. Anything within 5% of this figure is deemed acceptable by Renaultsport........

On the day, the cup managed to pull 229.9hp at 7700/7800 rpm and we saw 181lb/ft of torque. And not a set of itbs in sight!! Mission accomplished. Here's the video I took of scoff doing his thing and getting that 229.9 dyno pull:

Hard cut limiter is set to 8k rpm and the idle speed is set at 1600rpm - the cams dictated this as they're a bit lumpy! Lol!

So I guess that's it. This chapter has come to a close now for me, but there's a few people that can't go unrecognised for their help along the way.
First off, I've got to say a massive thank you to Scoff @ EFI. He's really done me proud on this. Next up its thanks again to Sean @ ktec. Without him, the vvc wouldn't have been working to its full potential like it does now.

@BIGASH has to get a mention for his utter confidence that we would see some good things from this engine, and also being at the end of the phone to listen to me rant! Lol! Get packing youth - we've got a trip to Germany coming!!
@Dan@SJM for assistance on the mapping when the piece of s**t wouldn't run and no one could fathom out why!!
@not normal dan another one who's tried to talk sense into me when I'd happily have panelled the car!
@nath&alex another legend who's been on the end of the phone and sorted out some awesome stub axles.

And finally the biggest thanks has to go to the wife. I've lost countless hours to this project, yet she's been there at every step of the way.

I am as they say, Romeo done. :up:

at least remember to thank the dog.

NorthloopCup · May 11, 2016

Robmarriott said:
Yeah, had issues paying the bills with suppliers and went under, I jumped ship before then though!

So what car did you have then mate? I might recognise it

LeeRS said:
at least remember to thank the dog.

Lol! She cost me another £175 last Thursday for an emergency appointment out of hours. 🙈

Robmarriott · May 11, 2016

I had this -

http://www.corsasport.co.uk/carimages/2299/CIMG0086vi.jpg

(On the right)

Followed by a nova, another corsa, a cavalier, another corsa, an insignia and another corsa which I'm trying to sell.

The yellow corsa is the only one which is memorable in any way though, it was about 10 years ago now but was at PVS for probably 3 years in a row.

NorthloopCup · May 11, 2016

Robmarriott said:
I had this -

http://www.corsasport.co.uk/carimages/2299/CIMG0086vi.jpg

(On the right)

Followed by a nova, another corsa, a cavalier, another corsa, an insignia and another corsa which I'm trying to sell.

The yellow corsa is the only one which is memorable in any way though, it was about 10 years ago now but was at PVS for probably 3 years in a row.

I think I recognise it mate. I used to prefer Billing to the other shows

Clio_fool · May 11, 2016

The best things come to those who wait! It may have been a long slog but that sir is a result!

I hope the brakes are up to the job [emoji38]

nath&alex · May 11, 2016

NorthloopCup said:
I think I recognise it mate. I used to prefer Billing to the other shows

Billing aquadrome, that brings back memories!! Did a jap show there and got very very drunk :tongueclosed:

NorthloopCup · May 11, 2016

OssPoop said:
The best things come to those who wait! It may have been a long slog but that sir is a result!

I hope the brakes are up to the job [emoji38]

Cheers! I'll know the answer to the brake question at the end of the week. :up:

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