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NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
So today was the day that I collected the cup from EFI Parts. I had a brew and a chat with scoff then it was time to head back home and take the cup for mot!
It's f**king hilarious - no other words can describe it! Lol! Even the slightest bit of provocation of the pedal and it's off and gone. Even managed 32-33mpg sitting at 70mph!
It passed its mot with flying colours and is now tucked away in the garage. There's a few jobs that I want to sort out now before it gets used in anger, but these are only minor jobs. It can sit in the garage now for a few days until I can be arsed.
Here's the all important power & torque graph:
More to come.
It's f**king hilarious - no other words can describe it! Lol! Even the slightest bit of provocation of the pedal and it's off and gone. Even managed 32-33mpg sitting at 70mph!
It passed its mot with flying colours and is now tucked away in the garage. There's a few jobs that I want to sort out now before it gets used in anger, but these are only minor jobs. It can sit in the garage now for a few days until I can be arsed.
Here's the all important power & torque graph:
More to come.
What a load of bollox, you told me several times you would never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never. never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never. never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never build a modified engine for the Clio.
Steve
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Lol! I'll be calling you shortly anyway. :up:
Clio 200
Nice curves that, almost identical to mine from 3500-6500, but mine the torque takes a nose dive at 6500 and so the power flatlines, whereas yours keeps torque to a much gentler taper down and power therefore keeps on for another 1000rpm. If I was keeping forged pistons I'd def slap a set of those cams in now based on this, looks a really spot on engine tbh.
Still love to see a decent length set of bodies on there though, you gotta be curious mate just a little bit!!!
Still love to see a decent length set of bodies on there though, you gotta be curious mate just a little bit!!!
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Nope. Not even slightly interested. Ever. If you'd driven it how it is now you'd understand why. Itbs or boost would just make it the same as every other Clio out there as well. This is WAY more unique.
Clio 200
I will wonder for you then! Yeah I can well imagine, essentially identical curves to mine (mine peeks 182fltb from 5000-5300) all the way to 6500 when yours just carries on relentlessly. Coupled with the light mk2 shell you have, batshit and legitimately so.
But for me the noise is just so integral to the package, why I love NA so much. I'd trade many horses for noise if I had to. But a properly developed inlet system would boost you all over the curve so it's win-win
But for me the noise is just so integral to the package, why I love NA so much. I'd trade many horses for noise if I had to. But a properly developed inlet system would boost you all over the curve so it's win-win
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Lol you'll have to mate because unless there was a proper set of itbs available to suit the 197 head (I'm talking 48's not poxy 45's) it's staying on the standard inlet and maxi evo airbox.
Yeah it definitely goes well enough with my car being so light, and tbf, there's a decent amount of induction noise from the carbon airbox.
Out of interest, what oil temps are you seeing on yours? And what size cooler do you have? I'm trying to decide if I should upgrade to the next size up laminova (redesign of the coolant pipes needed - yuck cba!) or change to a air to oil cooler. The bonus of that is I can retain the laminova to cool the gearbox oil. Decisions decisions.
Clio 200
Yeah there is, speak to Mitch at Proline about a manifold mate:
48mm SF's on a mk3
I'm not using an oil cooler, doesn't need it tbh. 111deg was the peak I saw on track, decent Millers CFS NT will laugh at that all day long, I change it every 6k.
Anyway, turns out my engine failed due to det, chunks of forged piston missing! Head scrap, Supertechs scrap...aka £5k forged block trashed and car going stock and being sold. Lots of good s**t sellable like R3 mani and ecu etc, Arrows should be ok I hope. But even so fml
48mm SF's on a mk3
I'm not using an oil cooler, doesn't need it tbh. 111deg was the peak I saw on track, decent Millers CFS NT will laugh at that all day long, I change it every 6k.
Anyway, turns out my engine failed due to det, chunks of forged piston missing! Head scrap, Supertechs scrap...aka £5k forged block trashed and car going stock and being sold. Lots of good s**t sellable like R3 mani and ecu etc, Arrows should be ok I hope. But even so fml
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
It just looks so busy mate with the itb setup. Lol! I don't think I'll ever be swayed tbh.Yeah there is, speak to Mitch at Proline about a manifold mate:
48mm SF's on a mk3
I'm not using an oil cooler, doesn't need it tbh. 111deg was the peak I saw on track, decent Millers CFS NT will laugh at that all day long, I change it every 6k.
Anyway, turns out my engine failed due to det, chunks of forged piston missing! Head scrap, Supertechs scrap...aka £5k forged block trashed and car going stock and being sold. Lots of good s**t sellable like R3 mani and ecu etc, Arrows should be ok I hope. But even so fml
Ah right ok fair enough. The general thought on mine is that the oil pressure is so high (100psi @ 4K+ rpm) that it's being pumped through the cooler too quick so it's not effectively removing the heat from the oil basically. Got to drop the op down and see what occurs then. I've seen 108-109 degrees at 5k rpm on the road. Lol!!
Oh dear! That's a proper shame mate. How much for the arrows? I may be interested in taking them off your hands. Pm me if you prefer.
Rich yours will still run the standard modine oil cooler though wouldn't it?
Clio 200
Too busy, meh I've never heard that one! Bonnets are meant to stay shut anyway you know
For 5k on the road yeah that's a bloody high temp really, very odd. Guess the pressure could be sending too quickly through the cooler, however.... I wouldn't expect oil to get anywhere near that without a cooler anyway. My car sat on the motorway (would be about 4.5k @ 70mph in 6th, quite short I went) and from memory it was about 85deg. Unless the high pressure is so high it's heating the oil?! - That might be utter BS though!
Yep final straw for me tbh, I've been through it with this car and I've spent a huge amount to be left with not a lot to show. I'll make decisions on prices and bits when the car is working and I can try and calculate what I want out if it etc. But I'll give you first refusal though. All a bit raw atm as only found out earlier the engines mullered so not had time to really think.
For 5k on the road yeah that's a bloody high temp really, very odd. Guess the pressure could be sending too quickly through the cooler, however.... I wouldn't expect oil to get anywhere near that without a cooler anyway. My car sat on the motorway (would be about 4.5k @ 70mph in 6th, quite short I went
) and from memory it was about 85deg. Unless the high pressure is so high it's heating the oil?! - That might be utter BS though!Yep final straw for me tbh, I've been through it with this car and I've spent a huge amount to be left with not a lot to show. I'll make decisions on prices and bits when the car is working and I can try and calculate what I want out if it etc. But I'll give you first refusal though. All a bit raw atm as only found out earlier the engines mullered so not had time to really think.
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Mine opens itself because it's that flimsy! Lol!Too busy, meh I've never heard that one! Bonnets are meant to stay shut anyway you know :wink:
For 5k on the road yeah that's a bloody high temp really, very odd. Guess the pressure could be sending too quickly through the cooler, however.... I wouldn't expect oil to get anywhere near that without a cooler anyway. My car sat on the motorway (would be about 4.5k @ 70mph in 6th, quite short I went :smiley
Yep final straw for me tbh, I've been through it with this car and I've spent a huge amount to be left with not a lot to show. I'll make decisions on prices and bits when the car is working and I can try and calculate what I want out if it etc. But I'll give you first refusal though. All a bit raw atm as only found out earlier the engines mullered so not had time to really think.
No mate, you've also hit the nail on the head with what others are thinking too regards the oil pressure heating the oil at the same time. This is the area that will be addressed before I blow over £250 on the larger laminova or an air to oil cooler.
Yeah I can imagine mate. I'd be pretty devastated if it was my engine tbh. Yeah keep me posted buddy.
bashracing
ClioSport Club Member
Is the new oil pump drive gear the standard size?
Just wondering if you are creating too higher flow rate, what's custom about the pump?
Just wondering if you are creating too higher flow rate, what's custom about the pump?
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
As in the chain drive gear mate? If so, yes it is. The pump has been unshrouded and all the tolerances closed up, along with a few other choice bits of work. The prv spring has been shimmed to up the pressure, but tbh, the 197 head has far superior oil flow characteristics in comparison to the 1*2, so I don't think the shims are required.
bashracing
ClioSport Club Member
I'd be tempted to take a shim out of the relief valve, was the oil pressure at its max at 100 psi @ 4K or was it still rising
massiveCoRbyn
ClioSport Club Member
Several
Must say, your laminova is quite small. The one on my F2 car is pretty big!
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
That's going to be a job for this week mate. Dropping the oil and the sump so I can gain access.
I'm pretty sure that the 100psi was the peak tbh, but until I venture further up the rpm range again and sit watching the op, I can't say for definite.
Yeah it's the smallest one they do mate that I've got. I can upgrade to the next size up, but myself and a few others are pretty much convinced now that it's the high oil pressure that's generating the problem.
Surprisingly effective from what I’ve seen in the past!
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
I'd say it's very effective!
I wonder what the equivalent air to oil cooler it would work out as. Definitely no more than a 10 row.
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
Had to google it, but liking that modine setup...would it fir on a 182?
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Yeah you can fit them to all the 1*2's. Can't remember which model it comes from though, so can't say for definite that the 197/200 item will fit.
Yeah 197 one will fit you just have to remove the thread out of the block as the Modine screws into the block
182cup & 172 racecar
I used one for yrs on the Burp race car.
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
None that are clear mate tbh. I'll take some and send them via iMessage mate.
Clio 200
It's just a sandwich plate basically, Google says the mk2 Cup Racer apparently had one:
And integrates to the cooling system:
I actually happen to have a spare one I photo'd the other day as came with the new Mk3 block etc:
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
That is a very interesting setup on the cup racer...did that diagram come with part numbers?
Clio 200
Yeah these diags just look to have come straight from the RS parts PDF.
Found a mk2 copy here: http://www.renault-sport.de/uploads/tx_news/Teilekatalog_Clio_II_Cup_2005.pdf
section 10.84 and 19.05 for the parts.
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
thanks mate.....
bozothenutter
ClioSport Club Member
stupid question maybe, but are these thermostatic? or like a laminova always open? (thus getting the oil up to temp quicker)
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Modines are like a laminova mate.
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
A few small bits to update the thread with!
I've been addressing a couple of small issues the past week or 2 since getting the car back from efi.
The first on the agenda was the oil pressure. I was seeing over 100psi when the engine was higher up the rpm range. The solution? Drop the sump off and take some of the shims out of the prv. Dropped the sump off (yeah right - just like that eh!!) and removed one of the shims. Took it out for a blast on Friday and found out it needed the 2nd shim removing! The 2nd shim is now out so that'll be the oil pressure sorted.
Next up was the oil temperature. I saw a maximum of 110 degrees on Friday, and I wasn't even giving it abuse! This has been sorted with the purchase of a larger laminova cooler. That's arriving on Friday, so I'll fit it over the weekend I think.
The under shield is now fitted (even though it'll be coming off for the laminova fitting), so I'll see if that helps out with box cooling, although tbh, I'm 99% certain now that I'm fitting the smaller laminova in one of the coolant lines and using that to cool the 'box.
After a chat with @Dan@SJM this morning, I think I'll be fitting one of the 197 thermostats as well. The 197/200's run them, so it makes sense really. I don't have any cooling issues, but with the extra load that the laminovas will add, it's a worthwhile change.
Nurburgring is booked as well. After the drive I had in it on Friday, I now know that it's a sub 8:15 car as well. Trust me, it's a f**king monumentally hilarious Clio to drive now! Providing I can get a clear lap in, the time is gonna be good.
More to come. :up:
I've been addressing a couple of small issues the past week or 2 since getting the car back from efi.
The first on the agenda was the oil pressure. I was seeing over 100psi when the engine was higher up the rpm range. The solution? Drop the sump off and take some of the shims out of the prv. Dropped the sump off (yeah right - just like that eh!!) and removed one of the shims. Took it out for a blast on Friday and found out it needed the 2nd shim removing! The 2nd shim is now out so that'll be the oil pressure sorted.
Next up was the oil temperature. I saw a maximum of 110 degrees on Friday, and I wasn't even giving it abuse! This has been sorted with the purchase of a larger laminova cooler. That's arriving on Friday, so I'll fit it over the weekend I think.
The under shield is now fitted (even though it'll be coming off for the laminova fitting), so I'll see if that helps out with box cooling, although tbh, I'm 99% certain now that I'm fitting the smaller laminova in one of the coolant lines and using that to cool the 'box.
Nurburgring is booked as well.
After the drive I had in it on Friday, I now know that it's a sub 8:15 car as well. Trust me, it's a f**king monumentally hilarious Clio to drive now! Providing I can get a clear lap in, the time is gonna be good. More to come. :up:
Chambers_RS
ClioSport Club Member
Clio 172 Cup&Leon K1
When you off to the ring?
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
July mate
massiveCoRbyn
ClioSport Club Member
Several
Good update Mark. Perhaps I need to pop over for a spin before you go to the ring....just in case lol.
NorthloopCup
ClioSport Moderator
Lol! Have you no faith?!
Don't worry mate, I'll have the GoPro in for every lap. May even have a forward and rearward facing view for this year.