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cambelt problems (local garages)
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Ph1 172 Clio 2001
Maybe but I read a thread on here that said I didn't need all the tools for just changing the belt and tensioners.
I don't earn enough in a month to have cash to have a specialist even look at it nor will I have until July and that's a maybe.
Can i not be competent enough to do this with the info and wisdom I gain here ?
Even if I got the last tool I need it sounds like it still won't be enough to do this. It's a timing belt am not building a boat haha
I don't earn enough in a month to have cash to have a specialist even look at it nor will I have until July and that's a maybe.
Can i not be competent enough to do this with the info and wisdom I gain here ?
Even if I got the last tool I need it sounds like it still won't be enough to do this. It's a timing belt am not building a boat haha
MG ZR x2, Polo, CTR
You need all the tools.
When you loosen the pulleys off, which you need to do if your replacing a dephaser, they are only held on the camshafts with torque, no splines or teeth.
When you loosen them off, they will spin on the camshaft.
The camshafts are held in time by the camshaft tool.
The pulleys are held in place by the pulley tool.
When you loosen the pulleys off, which you need to do if your replacing a dephaser, they are only held on the camshafts with torque, no splines or teeth.
When you loosen them off, they will spin on the camshaft.
The camshafts are held in time by the camshaft tool.
The pulleys are held in place by the pulley tool.
182, SQ7, Trafic
How does this make any sense at all?
If you f**k it up, sorry, when you f**k it up how are you expecting to pay for it then?
You either have it done by a specialist which is going to cost £200ish plus the bits or you do it yourself paying £100 for the correct toolset and risk messing it up and then it costing £1000 to rectify.
Are people seriously that stupid to think the latter is the best way?!
You need all of the correct Renault locking tools, end of.
If you can't afford to own the car which you clearly can't then sell it and get the bus.
Buy something you can afford to run, it's because of people like you that there are so many dogs for sale.
Car's with odd ditch finder tyres etc....
Ph1 172 Clio 2001
Had my dog 13 year and that's a bit below the belt there phase1sr dinnae be bringing the dog into it
And why would you and Dannyr be this bothered by the fact I want to do it myself, here is plenty of stuff on here about folk doing it themselves and they were never belittled and got some good help from it.
Not my fault that this subject is cause for so much drama and you both are being tits instead of at least accepting the fact I am still going to do it myself.
If you both have f**k all constructive to say or help maybe even give me a shot of this tool then I suggest stopping trying to have a go at me and go annoy some c**t else with your pish. First day of being a member and this is all I get aye? I expected to have the pish ripped out of me for attempting it but that's a bit far. But of course you boys both know me and know I am certainly not Capable of buying the last tool and still doing it myself, certainly not able to find clio 3286a.pdf or read some forum action on it before I start, or make a list of torque settings. Obviously I know you 2 aren't going to be any help at all.
Ph1 172 Clio 2001
Cheers man, I will be getting that last tool for sure now before I start. I am not replacing the dephaser or I am planning on not changing it yet because it doesn't need it but if I take it apart and it needs done Al have to do it. I will have the video of the noise being made posted the day
MG ZR x2, Polo, CTR
well, as you're determined to do it yourself (fair play for not being put off) here's a guide on the whole process.
read it thoroughly. twice. and make sure you understand it before the car becomes immobile.
Nothing worse than needing to get a car to a garage once it doesn't move!
http://www.cliosport.net/threads/cambelt-auxbelt-dephaser-pulley-guide.437872/#post-5654581
The only thing I don't remember in the guide was how to loosen the crank pulley.
I wrapped it in a microfiber cloth several times and tapped it round with a hammer and chisel to loosen it off the crankshaft
read it thoroughly. twice. and make sure you understand it before the car becomes immobile.
Nothing worse than needing to get a car to a garage once it doesn't move!
http://www.cliosport.net/threads/cambelt-auxbelt-dephaser-pulley-guide.437872/#post-5654581
The only thing I don't remember in the guide was how to loosen the crank pulley.
I wrapped it in a microfiber cloth several times and tapped it round with a hammer and chisel to loosen it off the crankshaft
Ph1 172 Clio 2001
I will be reading and printing it along with everything else I can get my hands on, I work in a unit with 3 Renault 5 turbos that I have been building and the more everyone says I can't the more I want to do it myself. I wouldn't tackle it if I thought it was going to be that hard but you got to learn from your own mistakes. There is plenty of good folk round where I live that can help seems the most debating on this is around settings or methods of retightening it all up but I suppose we can all rip it apart but can it be rebuilt ? Hahaha
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
good luck
Stay Puft
ClioSport Club Member
Clio 172
182, SQ7, Trafic
Have a look how long I've been on here.
Guess how many times I've seen somebody say I have all the tools (when they usually don't)?
Guess how many times I've seen somebody still do it anyway?
Guess how many times I've seen people on here not take advice they ask for?
And if you add all of those guesses together you won't be far of the number of threads I've seen of people messing there cars up to save £100.
Me and Scott and bothered about you doing it yourself, just warning you it's not a simple cambelt job as many people like yourself do.
Just because your mates worked on Renault 5's that doesn't mean a thing, they are not a like in any shape or form.
But crack on, I'll await you never coming back or seeing your car for sale for parts.
Guess how many times I've seen somebody say I have all the tools (when they usually don't)?
Guess how many times I've seen somebody still do it anyway?
Guess how many times I've seen people on here not take advice they ask for?
And if you add all of those guesses together you won't be far of the number of threads I've seen of people messing there cars up to save £100.
Me and Scott and bothered about you doing it yourself, just warning you it's not a simple cambelt job as many people like yourself do.
Just because your mates worked on Renault 5's that doesn't mean a thing, they are not a like in any shape or form.
But crack on, I'll await you never coming back or seeing your car for sale for parts.
Ph1 172 Clio 2001
Lol my car was pretty cheap like and i do get it would be better to have someone who has done a load of them to either do it for me, i obviously don't want to destroy the car but on the other hand i have always worked on my own cars too and learning from someone who does them would be better as its something i would rather want to do in the future myself.
The main reason for me wanting to do it on my own is because it would take a bit longer to get the cash together to have a specialist do it , most wouldnt let me pay it in a couple of installments and its proper steep as aye fair doos i could of stuck with my shite 1.4 astra but i just needed something else something quicker, it isnt like when the belts are done its still going to cost a fortune to run, i didnt research much into it when i bought it thinking it was just another clio.
This was also i think a car thats owner was on here before there is a cliosport.net sticker on the back window hopefully if he is still on here he could shed some light on whats been done, I just dont want the engine to blow while i am getting the money to fix it and thats why i wanted at least the option of doing it myself if it comes to it i will. I did buy a bit of a dog of a car and Phase1sr i apolosgise for thinking you were actually talking about my dog hahaha. I want to keep the car but other than having as much help as i can getting the job done right i am not sure how long i have before it will become a problem, i could have just enough saved then the engine blows it would be my luck it would happen and i have always just done everything myself so forgive me for just thinking i am going to do it myself i would do everything myself if i can.
I know DannyR you had more phase 1's or even clios in general to what i will have and i wouldnt doubt one bit that you know more than me about all the trials and tribulations of doing the belts on one of these and i also understand that i am not the first to be all on the am doing it myself and tae f**k with you's all train i have been reading everything i can on here about it and trying to get all the manuals and read all the links everyone posted up so i can at least have a decent plan of what i am going to do and i know you and scott know what your talking about surely you still know enough to be able to help me out a bit no ? I apologise to you too DannyR for jumping down your throat about it too you both re probably pissed off at the mount of times your telling dafties like me not to do it myself hahaha
Is there any specialists i can speak to in Fife that i could speak to before i decide, i will have the parts for the guy to do it at least if i dont do it myself saving something haha i just been collecting the bits so far.
The engine well the dash says it is sat at 76,755 miles i think and i have no history on the car all i got was the green slip and i was told it might of been remapped but there was no proof of it either. I had it up on the ramps at college and the belt looks like it isnt old if you know what i mean, it isnt shiny i havent really taken anything apart yet to look further into it was going to do that in the next day or 2 but with the mileage on the car and the lack of history and the only sign of it ever being cared for is the cliosport.net sticker i am to assume that the belts have not been done before I have been a bit lazy in uploading a video of what it sounds like too because i have recenlty got an iphone and its been nothing but problems figuring out how to do anything on it hahaha.
Sorry again you DannyR and Phase1sr i dont mean to be stubborn about it i just dont see any other way cause i am s**t at saving money and am always paying back someone for something so there is never specialist money lol but i will go speak to one and see what they say before i even attempt it. OF course you can have dibs on it if it all goes tits too i dont mind, but i regretted selling my 5 a couple of year ago and this is the first decent car i got since then youll need to pry this out of my dead smokey hands hahaha.
So aye, Anyone in Fife area at all i can speak to about this in person ? I will be still buying the tools and bits to do this but if i do take it to a specialist i want to learn how to do it too properly, but i know already a couple of folk have started debating on how even you rotate the belt backwards to retension it.
The main reason for me wanting to do it on my own is because it would take a bit longer to get the cash together to have a specialist do it , most wouldnt let me pay it in a couple of installments and its proper steep as aye fair doos i could of stuck with my shite 1.4 astra but i just needed something else something quicker, it isnt like when the belts are done its still going to cost a fortune to run, i didnt research much into it when i bought it thinking it was just another clio.
This was also i think a car thats owner was on here before there is a cliosport.net sticker on the back window hopefully if he is still on here he could shed some light on whats been done, I just dont want the engine to blow while i am getting the money to fix it and thats why i wanted at least the option of doing it myself if it comes to it i will. I did buy a bit of a dog of a car and Phase1sr i apolosgise for thinking you were actually talking about my dog hahaha. I want to keep the car but other than having as much help as i can getting the job done right i am not sure how long i have before it will become a problem, i could have just enough saved then the engine blows it would be my luck it would happen and i have always just done everything myself so forgive me for just thinking i am going to do it myself i would do everything myself if i can.
I know DannyR you had more phase 1's or even clios in general to what i will have and i wouldnt doubt one bit that you know more than me about all the trials and tribulations of doing the belts on one of these and i also understand that i am not the first to be all on the am doing it myself and tae f**k with you's all train i have been reading everything i can on here about it and trying to get all the manuals and read all the links everyone posted up so i can at least have a decent plan of what i am going to do and i know you and scott know what your talking about surely you still know enough to be able to help me out a bit no ? I apologise to you too DannyR for jumping down your throat about it too you both re probably pissed off at the mount of times your telling dafties like me not to do it myself hahaha
Is there any specialists i can speak to in Fife that i could speak to before i decide, i will have the parts for the guy to do it at least if i dont do it myself saving something haha i just been collecting the bits so far.
The engine well the dash says it is sat at 76,755 miles i think and i have no history on the car all i got was the green slip and i was told it might of been remapped but there was no proof of it either. I had it up on the ramps at college and the belt looks like it isnt old if you know what i mean, it isnt shiny i havent really taken anything apart yet to look further into it was going to do that in the next day or 2 but with the mileage on the car and the lack of history and the only sign of it ever being cared for is the cliosport.net sticker i am to assume that the belts have not been done before I have been a bit lazy in uploading a video of what it sounds like too because i have recenlty got an iphone and its been nothing but problems figuring out how to do anything on it hahaha.
Sorry again you DannyR and Phase1sr i dont mean to be stubborn about it i just dont see any other way cause i am s**t at saving money and am always paying back someone for something so there is never specialist money lol but i will go speak to one and see what they say before i even attempt it. OF course you can have dibs on it if it all goes tits too i dont mind, but i regretted selling my 5 a couple of year ago and this is the first decent car i got since then youll need to pry this out of my dead smokey hands hahaha.
So aye, Anyone in Fife area at all i can speak to about this in person ? I will be still buying the tools and bits to do this but if i do take it to a specialist i want to learn how to do it too properly, but i know already a couple of folk have started debating on how even you rotate the belt backwards to retension it.
MG ZR x2, Polo, CTR
Don't know if you've seen it already, but this might help:
http://www.cliosport.net/threads/scottish-specialists-share-your-recommendations.675272/
http://www.cliosport.net/threads/scottish-specialists-share-your-recommendations.675272/
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Mate, good luck and I hope it doesn't turn into a nightmare.
Ph1 172 Clio 2001
The First of the tools arrived today the locking pins and the u bend thing and later on the cam belt kit should be arriving. I am ordering the auxiliary belt kit today along with the tool to lock the de-phaser and exhaust pulley in place but i also just found the proper Renault tools at £133 odd for the crank pin the pulley sprocket and another pin so i may pick that up instead but after i speak to a specialist which i want to try do in the next few days. I think Rentec are the closest to me and i will give them a ring today and see what they say to it
Ph1 172 Clio 2001
You have all been great like i know as my first time doing the belt i should have professional supervision and i would prefer to learn how to do it over giving the car away to have it be done, In an ideal world i would have a guy who has done lots help me do it so i can do it again in the future on my own and then help someone else ... maybe haha
It would be worth the money to travel to learn how to do it on my own car and i thank everyone for there advice on this too.
Just got an email saying my cambelt will be delayed 2 working days, ebay are blaming it on the robots ?!? I just bought a couple of rear dampers and the auxiliary belt kit but the tool i was looking at has vanished and i dont like the look of the sealy one it looks too cheap lol
Ph1 172 Clio 2001
Mm this is the tool that is left on ebay there was a big black one but its vanished, this doesnt look like it would do any good even though it is for illustrative purposes haha
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sealey-Ca...280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item487c0a45a0
http://www.cliosport.net/threads/smokeys-scabby-ph1-172.771622/#post-10704752
It was the laser one i had seen like and my US Pro Tools kit one that arrived today looks chunky and i doubt i am bending anything on that with my measly 10 stone hahaha. SO just now i decided i will get the genuine Renault one for sure but i want to speak to Rentec first to see what they say because if they allow me to go down and have them show me how to do it then i wouldn't need it just yet cause the price of the real deal is about probably half the price of getting the belts done without parts hahaha
Am clicking on now Phase1sr and DannyR hahaha I must of been blonde in a previous life for sure hahaha
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sealey-Ca...280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item487c0a45a0
Its like ebay or whomever is not taking the blame for the delay haha first one i ever got I havent put pictures up here yet i have made the video now i need to get the video from the iphone to here somehow because i cant get it off my phone damn itunes so i am going to upload it to vimeo or something just now and post it up here is the link to my project thread there isn't an engine shot in there yet cause as you know changing the shite steering wheel is top priority i couldn't hand the gash one that came with it. I will have the video up asap too
http://www.cliosport.net/threads/smokeys-scabby-ph1-172.771622/#post-10704752
It was the laser one i had seen like and my US Pro Tools kit one that arrived today looks chunky and i doubt i am bending anything on that with my measly 10 stone hahaha. SO just now i decided i will get the genuine Renault one for sure but i want to speak to Rentec first to see what they say because if they allow me to go down and have them show me how to do it then i wouldn't need it just yet cause the price of the real deal is about probably half the price of getting the belts done without parts hahaha
Am clicking on now Phase1sr and DannyR hahaha I must of been blonde in a previous life for sure hahaha
Ph1 172 Clio 2001
Got the video uploaded easier than i thought but having to go from laptop to phone and to laptop is not how i thought the future was going to be like at all 😧
182, SQ7, Trafic
Your thinking about buying ANOTHER set of Renault tools for £133 when getting it done by a specialists costs and extra £200? That's your tool price right there!
I can't even...
Ph1 172 Clio 2001
The tool kit that arrived today never came with the bit to hold the de-phaser in place, it's my luck I would find Renault set after spending £25 on the cheap set. I have not yet spoke to Rentec as I have been busy . I shall ring them Monday and see what they say to it and ask them about this " Clio3286A " Because I don't see how Renault gets away with printing its own technical documents with the wrong information in it , think c***s would complain and sue them over such s**t. Is there an up to date one kicking about or if the July 1999 version the only one ?
I have spent more than £133 on shite phones over the years so buying a decent tool for that is f**k all and if i get the use out of it then its all good, I just paid £124 for a 200 piece socket set from Halfords with a discount and a trade discount which would of been £300 and there just tools too.
So the plan is to speak to Rentec on Monday and then ask them if i can go down and speak to the guy that does the timing belts, i will ask him all about the methods for doing it and ask him about the Autodata and Renault technical info being wrong because the only issue the griping is about concerns the torque settings and re-tensioning the belt the rest is all bolt on bolt off in order no one has said nothing about the alternator belt and there pulleys because that's my biggest concern because I think that's where the noise is coming from .
I will speak to the specialist first before anything happens and there is plenty s**t on here on folk doing them on there own and surviving ok we all got to learn its was all our first time at one time or other but that's another post entirely
Didn't even think about selling them or giving them to other folk for a shot of but thats a great idea i could have them in the car when i sell it after i blow it up
Ph1 172 Clio 2001
Please do, at least till I speak to rentec on Monday al post here what they said on the phone and or if I go down there on Monday
I am certainly having a go at doing mine. I have been working on cars for years and changed numerous cambelts, including some real tricky ones. The one on the Clio looks pretty similar to the setup on the Ford Puma 1.7 in that there is a timing variator and fully floating pulleys.
The hardest part of that job was getting to the bolts holding the cam cover on due to lack of space.
I am going to use the proper tools as it will never be right otherwise. I can also put more time and care into doing the job than a garage that is working to a time schedule.
The hardest part of that job was getting to the bolts holding the cam cover on due to lack of space.
I am going to use the proper tools as it will never be right otherwise. I can also put more time and care into doing the job than a garage that is working to a time schedule.
Bluebeard
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
In my experience, a specialist charges circa £100 labour. The rest of the bill is made up of parts.
It's not worth doing it yourself.
They get £100 for doing 3-4 hours work, you get a car that's timed up properly.
Win win.
If you buy the tools, you'll need to do your belts twice as a minimum to get that money back.
It's not worth doing it yourself.
They get £100 for doing 3-4 hours work, you get a car that's timed up properly.
Win win.
If you buy the tools, you'll need to do your belts twice as a minimum to get that money back.
Cub.
ClioSport Moderator
If it was as easy as you think it is, don't you think we'd all be doing it? It is one of the few things I won't do to mine, because I want it to be right.
As said, for £100 labour cost, getting a specialist to do it is a no brainer.
As said, for £100 labour cost, getting a specialist to do it is a no brainer.
182, SQ7, Trafic
I've told him several times...
Oh s**t I said I was giving up, what is it about me attracting stupid people!
Remember it's a Bank Holiday tomorrow, so your call to the specialist may well go unanswered.
2005 Clio 182 FF
The pulley tool is the one you have to be careful of you need the longer gear in the set. Genuine renault tool doesn't come with it.
It's a bit of messing but it's not exactley rocket ship rigging. Main problem is access. The rest is just making sure everything is in the right place before you remove things.
It's a bit of messing but it's not exactley rocket ship rigging. Main problem is access. The rest is just making sure everything is in the right place before you remove things.
182, SQ7, Trafic
At least it'll be the one thing fitted correctly once finished
