cams,forged rods pistons etc and boddies? bhp? what we talking here :S

[stacky]

basically chatting to engineer and obviously if we we all loaded we would be do the lot but people just out itb kits on with out upgrading internals and i know they dont need to be how ever if you were to uprate cams , gas flow head and forge the lot and then put boddies on how much bhp and torque are we talking or does anyone on here have fiigures for just itb kit with map of f4r lump and then the figures with a tuned engine with the above fitted the whole kit and i know would be a bomb £££ but a hell of a reliable car and rapid!! cheers??

 

[f0xy]

Jenvey ITB, CatCam 422's, Hi Comp internals, etc. 220+ is possible usually..

 

[theduck]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...730-and-830-Engine-Packages&highlight=package 240+ is possible

Pretty sure I have seen Matt mention more, 280bhp rings a bell, but so does an associated price tag of £17k+

 

[stacky]

still na this is imence 220 plenty any day you know !

 

[Jonny1*2]

you would be looking at a fare chunk of change to get it done though, around £5K i'd imagine, fitted/mapped. Unless you can do it all yourself that is. Would be a very reliable setup.

 

[Gray]

With off the shelf parts and some machine work you can get to 230 - 240Bhp

 

[stacky]

yeah i mean over 8k on tht link for engine is a bit much bu anyone want to do maths on the kit losted above what i said in title and if its nearly 8k i may be chatting to this guy on the link ?

 

[Jonny1*2]

the kit matt provides has a different manifold which is about 1K worth. A few other bits too, but it would be a great setup. It needs a rebuild every 6.5K iirc though, so it's not practical for a road car.

 

[sideways danny]

I built this

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which made this

 

[Tony Hunter]

basically chatting to engineer and obviously if we we all loaded we would be do the lot but people just out itb kits on with out upgrading internals and i know they dont need to be how ever if you were to uprate cams , gas flow head and forge the lot and then put boddies on how much bhp and torque are we talking or does anyone on here have fiigures for just itb kit with map of f4r lump and then the figures with a tuned engine with the above fitted the whole kit and i know would be a bomb £££ but a hell of a reliable car and rapid!! cheers??

Ours is an old 87k engine completely standard with just AT Power ITB's and mapped on 95ron.197bhp No cams or anything.

 

[Tom@JMS]

Don't forget you've got minimal aux train looses though Mr Hunter, so it's not a totally stock 'engine'.

 

[Tony Hunter]

Ok, stock engine with bits missing.No internal changes then.Picky.

 

[Icarus]

the kit matt provides has a different manifold which is about 1K worth. A few other bits too, but it would be a great setup. It needs a rebuild every 6.5K iirc though, so it's not practical for a road car.

Well no ones ever ran one in a road car, the lifes are based on the kind of dutycycle a race engine would see so entirely possible they'd last the life of the car on the road just pootling about. The last 1000RPM is what increases the wear rates significantly so run a 7500RPM limit and they'd last much longer.

Probably want to run one on port throttles as well rather than the S2000 inlet manifold as that'll give better response.

 

[Daz Clio Cup]

Hello.............. 217bhp for high comp, itbs, catcams 422's, light gasflow, 182 manifold, custom 2.5 system, no a/c, no pas, new plugs, new leads, well run in. on RS Tuning and TDF rollers. Matt @ TDF says he "might" be able to get it to 220, which may happen, but it does a 13s 1/4 and will overtake most things, but we'll see..........

You won't get 240 bhp from those mods unless you put put it on GDI rollers (i have the print out!). 280 bhp is possible and iirc it will cost you nearly 6 figures! mine cost in the region of 8k 3 years ago and it was self built.

cheaper option is to bolt on a turbo or sell the car and get something quicker.

 

[Tony Hunter]

As we all say,an extra 20bhp cost's a shed load,is it really worth it?

 

[Daz Clio Cup]

As we all say,an extra 20bhp cost's a shed load,is it really worth it?

Not really, cheaper to rip everything out, and it'll be as quick as a 200bhp 1*2 and would has cost pennies.

only trouble is, i have done both and still want more speed, have to save up for another car now

 

[Barron]

Hey, You might find our build interesting.

The car made 232bhp and 174ftlb (At TDF)

Full Thread http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?364943-Racing-Blue-ph1-ITB-2010-track-season-updates, big updates happen close to the end.

 

[Barron]

Double post...

 

[Jonny1*2]

Hey, You might find our build interesting.

The car made 232bhp and 174ftlb (At TDF)

Full Thread http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?364943-Racing-Blue-ph1-ITB-2010-track-season-updates, big updates happen close to the end.

Nice mate. Just had a catch up on your thread. Engine looks lovely :approve: Have you got a dry sump fitted to that? Or did you keep the aircon? (presume that's what running off the aux belt?

 

[stacky]

ye great comments well what would u advise if i never want to seell the car and will proberl;y take it of the road in a yr or so thats why i see it as an investiment not short term >>? just undecided which route to go i mean by sounds of things my post going to cost same as a turb or super charger how ever correct me if i am wrong i wont be changing gearboxing every 3 months as less sudden stress on it cheers??

 

[Tom@JMS]

Horses for courses, have you managed to get yourself on a track day yet phelim? You've got that top spec cage and all those track stickers

 

[stacky]

u want banter ? nah id rather keep prepping it sorry to anoy every one

 

[Barron]

Nice mate. Just had a catch up on your thread. Engine looks lovely :approve: Have you got a dry sump fitted to that? Or did you keep the aircon? (presume that's what running off the aux belt?

Thanks

Its got the standard sump fitted. Engine uses the Cup Aux setup to run the alternator and the PAS

 

[Daz Clio Cup]

Thanks

Its got the standard sump fitted. Engine uses the Cup Aux setup to run the alternator and the PAS

Ahh PhQuick engine tho, that why more power....is it still 172 manifold or 182?

 

[Ad172UK]

422s?

Are they new or have they been out a while? Only ask as i havent heard them mentioned before, only 421 & 428.

I'm looking at iTBs for the near future to go with my 421s

 

[Daz Clio Cup]

Thanks

Its got the standard sump fitted. Engine uses the Cup Aux setup to run the alternator and the PAS

Just looked at your thread, looks like 172 manifold, and 120mm trumpets and 423 cams are the main differences( apart from your engine looks put together not thrown together! LOL)

think my 172 manifold will be going back on, maybe swap my cams. but your car looks sweet

 

[Tom@JMS]

422s?

Are they new or have they been out a while? Only ask as i havent heard them mentioned before, only 421 & 428.

I'm looking at iTBs for the near future to go with my 421s

http://www.catcams.co.uk/acatalog/Renault_clio_rs.html

 

[Daz Clio Cup]

422s?

Are they new or have they been out a while? Only ask as i havent heard them mentioned before, only 421 & 428.

I'm looking at iTBs for the near future to go with my 421s

422's and 423's need aftermarket ecus to be best as idle can be lumpy on stock stuff ( so i was told).

 

[Tom@JMS]

Also require internals IIRC

 

[Ad172UK]

http://www.catcams.co.uk/acatalog/Renault_clio_rs.html

Cheers Tom

422's and 423's need aftermarket ecus to be best as idle can be lumpy on stock stuff ( so i was told).

421s are pretty bad mate, Although I don't think my shagged Lambda helps

 

[Barron]

Just looked at your thread, looks like 172 manifold, and 120mm trumpets and 423 cams are the main differences( apart from your engine looks put together not thrown together! LOL)

think my 172 manifold will be going back on, maybe swap my cams. but your car looks sweet

yep 172 manifold

Who did the headwork on your car?

which cams you looking at swapping too?

your car was always the benchmark when i was spec'ing up the car. I think i may swap to solid lifters later on and knock the redline up.

 

[Daz Clio Cup]

yep 172 manifold

Who did the headwork on your car?

which cams you looking at swapping too?

your car was always the benchmark when i was spec'ing up the car. I think i may swap to solid lifters later on and knock the redline up.

Why thank-you, lol. I do all my own work, till i take to the mappers and they say the map is sh-i-te and get me 20 bhp! I'd like, if i had the money to send the head away for big valves and solid lifters fitted and gas flowed, but i haven't, lol. I'm planning to make a 1*2 4-1 manifold then see what that does and we'll see if Renault' 182 manifold gets you 10 bhp (somehow i think i lost me bhp!)
Fancy doing a 1/4 in yours? i'd like to see what it does as bhp figures are for the pub.

 

[Barron]

Why thank-you, lol. I do all my own work, till i take to the mappers and they say the map is sh-i-te and get me 20 bhp! I'd like, if i had the money to send the head away for big valves and solid lifters fitted and gas flowed, but i haven't, lol. I'm planning to make a 1*2 4-1 manifold then see what that does and we'll see if Renault' 182 manifold gets you 10 bhp (somehow i think i lost me bhp!)
Fancy doing a 1/4 in yours? i'd like to see what it does as bhp figures are for the pub.

would love to do a 1/4 mile soon to be honest. Living 4 hours away from the car this year is making it difficult to plan anything. what 1/4 mile time did you get? i suspect with a competent driver the car should get a low 13. 232bhp, Quaife ATB and slicks should help

 

[marinemackay2003]

I'm hoping for around 230 out of my build

but for cost of doing it properly, it just ain't worth it unless you have broken the engine
(cam belt failure ect :dapprove: )

 

[unfortunately_french]

As we all say,an extra 20bhp cost's a shed load,is it really worth it?

+1! So many people spend loads making their cars faster. When your spending over 5k I think you should consider whether to buy a faster car thats been designed to be faster by professional engineers in the first place, rather than making your car as fast at loads of cost. I think that people that spend that sort of money on a car want a car that is shockingly fast in the sense that it would beat/keep up with stuff that a standard one would have no chance against. So if you want to shock people with clio power then spend the bucks whereas if you just want to go faster regardless of the car, buy a faster different one. And on top of that, by the time you've spent 17k as someone said earlier up the thread, you could of had a great spec evo, subaru, m3 the list goes on.

 

[Daz Clio Cup]

+1! So many people spend loads making their cars faster. When your spending over 5k I think you should consider whether to buy a faster car thats been designed to be faster by professional engineers in the first place, rather than making your car as fast at loads of cost. I think that people that spend that sort of money on a car want a car that is shockingly fast in the sense that it would beat/keep up with stuff that a standard one would have no chance against. So if you want to shock people with clio power then spend the bucks whereas if you just want to go faster regardless of the car, buy a faster different one. And on top of that, by the time you've spent 17k as someone said earlier up the thread, you could of had a great spec evo, subaru, m3 the list goes on.

yep. shocking people is great fun. how fast? 911 carrera 4s fast? or 911 turbo fast?

 

[unfortunately_french]

yep. shocking people is great fun. how fast? 911 carrera 4s fast? or 911 turbo fast?

Lol if you really want to shock people immensely then after conversions people should modify the body work to 1.2 spec TRUE SLEEPER. 911 turbo fast would be more desirable, however aslong as you can beat the more common audi's, bmw's and merc's then that would be ideal. It annoys me when you get someone come flying up behind you when your already doing 90 in the fast lane on the motorway, would be good to be able to drop a gear and just blow them away.

 

[Daz Clio Cup]

would love to do a 1/4 mile soon to be honest. Living 4 hours away from the car this year is making it difficult to plan anything. what 1/4 mile time did you get? i suspect with a competent driver the car should get a low 13. 232bhp, Quaife ATB and slicks should help

i did a 13.6. no diff. toyo t1-r's. 217bhp.

The diff will help you to spin both wheels The slicks will NOT help unless they are drag slicks. Track slicks make it worse (i get a better launch with t1-r's than 888's) to be honest what works for me is no burnout, 1500-2000 rpm to stop bog down and take it easy off the line, else both wheels spin and you sit there in a cloud of your own smoke. I got my fastest time, not trying hard, racing a 24sec VW Camper !!!

 

[Daz Clio Cup]

Lol if you really want to shock people immensely then after conversions people should modify the body work to 1.2 spec TRUE SLEEPER. 911 turbo fast would be more desirable, however aslong as you can beat the more common audi's, bmw's and merc's then that would be ideal. It annoys me when you get someone come flying up behind you when your already doing 90 in the fast lane on the motorway, would be good to be able to drop a gear and just blow them away.

I've got DCI badges and yes i can blow away up to 911 turbo fast. Power isn't everything. Lack of weight is everything. which reminds me i need to go on a trackday/drag race diet, lol. fat:butt:

 

[unfortunately_french]

I've got DCI badges and yes i can blow away up to 911 turbo fast. Power isn't everything. Lack of weight is everything. which reminds me i need to go on a trackday/drag race diet, lol. fat:butt:

Just to save me going back up the thread to find out, what bhp is your car running? I would be very surprised to see you blow away a 911 turbo if you had 250bhp let alone what you've got, and you have to take into the account that very few people that can afford 911 turbo's actually have the driving skill to drive one on the limit the same way you are your clio But yes your correct lightness is very important because if youve got a car with a 1000bhp that weighs 10 tons it's not gonna be quick. BHP per TONNE is a much better way to measure different cars when trying to work out which one is quicker.