CHIP FOR THE CUP RSPORT

[CUPPY]

everyone online please help...how much for the chip where are the company based and although not massive bhp is it worth it for anyother drivability gain? any contact numbers? are rsport doing anythingelse for the cup? plus (soz) how much for springs for the cup are ripspeed any good at fiting them..anyone used an exhaust place in sheffield not ascar..thanks to everyone

 

[BenR]

i dont know, but hasnt the answer been posted a million times, there is a search function.....

all i know is they are EXPENSIVE for not doing much.

 

[CUPPY]

sorry ben i know but alot of people on tonight so thught might get some more information

 

[172man]

 

[BenR]

There was a sooper long debaes somewhere, and it did answer most questions, just up to you to decide which side you choose to debate from.

 

[CUPPY]

thanks for that really helped

 

[BenR]

Sorry................

all i will say is that you could spend the cash on something else, like a new set of tyres, lower it, viper, track day etc etc.....all things that will make your car far faster than any chip.

 

[rt172]

BenR - What BHP gain do I get from taking my car on a track day then?

 

[BenR]

18bhp!!!

the constant speed will build up pressure in your airbox which will stay there throughout the service life of your car, +2psi!!!!......

 

[RSTDL]

Get the chip if you want it - its your money! And a viper will not make your car any faster - combined with the chip, exhaust and head work you should see 205BHP - the R-Sport chip on its own will however increase BHP to 180 and increase Torgue to 162 ft Ib. Efjie tuners in france do it for $130 all in, so its excellent value for money as a first mod! It will do something and for the money its better value than a viper or sealed induction - u already have a sealed induction system in your car as standard why change it!. Altering distance air has to travel to the throttle will loose power ultimately! Tyres will also not increase speed?????Lowering will not increase your speed??? -it will mess ytour handling unless u alter camber and castor angles to suit, you will increase wear on your tyres so ull have to pay more for tyres every year, you will damage ur struts and top mounts and hubs etc - invest in coilovers specifically for your car instead of wasting money on look good lowering springs - cheaper in the long run! BenR must beusing super dooper lowering springs/coilovers and tyres that magically increase speed? A trackday will also not increase speed, it will allow you to drive your car on the limit it was designed for legally.

Spend the money on a chip, dont mess with the cups suspension until u absolutley have to and need to - learn to drive the car first and no its weaknesses rather than slap every single mod onto it for the sake of it - they will indeed improve looks and sounds (although the standard sound of the cup is excellent - no filter required) but they wont improve your driving skill!

Chip, race seats, weight loss, replacement element - done!

 

[McBunny]

why wont decent suspension make your car faster same as tyres and a trackday will increase your speed !!1

if you improve the suspension on your car you reduse body roll so it corners flatter, it wont bounce around as much and it lowers the CoG. this all goes to making you car go faster around corners as you dont have to slow down as much to take the corner !!!

tyres the same better compound tyres thinner wider tyres all go to making your car faster through corners and putting the power down ! less tyre wall flex means the car does not move about as much when breaking into corners and generaly going round corners as when they flex the unsettle the car. So the more friction you have the faster you can get the powerr down on the straights and coming out of corners also it will slow you down faster if you slow down faster you break later there for you keep a higher speed for longer. Result higher speed



track day the best way to make your car faster is to first be able to drive it properly and as you cant safely test the limits of the car on the road you need to do it in a safe environment and for that we have the track day. if you learn how to use the gas and the break propperly you will drive you car faster also learn propper use of gears and the round thing called the wheel oh and learn how to take corners propperly, you will ultimatly be able to drive your car faster and safer everywhere.



you see very few people can really drive any car to its limits and not go past them. You will actually find you only use a fraction of the performance your car really has so b4 you need to up the power how about learning to use what you have ! oh and i dont think i can drive, i know i cant use my car fully yes i can drive fast in a straight line but chuck in a few bends and the speed goes down but if i knew really how to drive it wouldnt matter

look at this site it has some good tips http://www.turnfast.com/http://www.turnfast.com/



all in imho

 

[RSTDL]

Quote "you see very few people can really drive any car to its limits and not go past them. You will actually find you only use a fraction of the performance your car really has so b4 you need to up the power how about learning to use what you have ! oh and i dont think i can drive, i know i cant use my car fully yes i can drive fast in a straight line but chuck in a few bends and the speed goes down but if i knew really how to drive it wouldnt matter

Did you actually read my post mate- u have kinda just repeated what I said to start with about learning to drive the car and use its power befopre doing any mods?

With regard the tyres and suspension - like I said they wont physically make ur car faster -ie quicker accelearation and top end! They will of course improve grip and handling, but the whole poin tof this thread was that the R-sport chip is not a waste of money compared to other aesthetic mods.

 

[McBunny]

i know i was just elaberating a bit plus my fingers have excess energy just needing to be burnt off b4 the euro trip.



but the chip is a waste of money id rather spend 250 on something else like beer !

 

[Frosty]

Do you have the ECU? Have you driven a Cup with the new ECU installed? No and No Im guessing! How about trying one before you comment any further on what is and what isnt a waste of money.

 

[McBunny]

cup drivers getting rather up them selfs again. for what the chip does very little and that fact it does not take into account any other mod to the engine it is a waste of money your much better off getting a decent ecu with a propper map. oh and 250 towards TBs is worth much more than that ecu IMHO

 

[Frosty]

Im not getting up myself, Im saying youre speaking out of place. I wouldnt tell you not to go to Germany because its crap for example because Ive never been there! All Im saying is drive one first - then maybe pass judgement!

 

[RSTDL]

U aint gonna get a much beeter replacement ECU than the R-Sport one! Although the EFJIE one from France is only £130 and I would probablt go for that one over the R-Sport one

Regarding "cup drivers getting up themselves" - maybe if everyone else stopped being so aggressive to everything we post or say - why should we have to constantly defend ourselves - hmmmm I wonder. Its a cliosport forum so give people the time of day please - I have a right to as does everyone else to express my opinion whether its right or wrong and I also have a right to boost as much as I please about the car I have bought and drive - if people dont like that tough. Whatever people say about their motor or mods or any aspect to do with their car is their opinion and when people respond with things like "thats wrong, bollox, etc" it kinda gets a bit annoying.

BTW the STANDARD CUP is quicker than a STANDARD 172 whether people want to accept that or not, be it 0.3 secs (crap renault official figures) or morelike 0.6 secs (like mine) its still quicker just like winning a race by 1 second or a mile to quote a bald chap - its still winning. And whatever sprint times standard Mk2 172 owners claim, rest assured the cup will still knock a further 0.5 secs of those times........THE END

 

[Cuppy 172]

Well said Cupsize,

Sorry, the end!

 

[RSTDL]

aYYYEEEEEE.

 

[ak_uk]

This is all a bit over the top..its sunny out there...

 

[RSTDL]

Sun does strande things to some people - I wish i had air-con but I got a nice rsport mini fan that I wired into the dash - that s just as good! But there is anoticable drop in power when its on - I may have to redirect it to the airbox................lol

 

[paddymph]

sooooooooooooooooooooo sick of this rollocks now. not gonna bother reading these in future.

 

[RSTDL]

Sick of freedom of speech and personal opinion? Jees if everyone got their heckles up with the personal views and opinions of everyelse else (sound familiar) what would be the point in human conversation, discussion and interaction? I Bet you will read these threads - thats what the forums for!- and anyhow everyone on here contributes as much as the rest of us so there is noone onthis forum who can hold their hjands up and say "I never take an ego trip or hjave a go at others" If there is please email mailto:IAMPERFECT@HEADSWELL.CO.UK">IAMPERFECT@HEADSWELL.CO.UK Read the posts but if you dont agree with something dont bother wasting time writing a reply which is aimed at starting an argument or disrepecting the post of others. Keep it to yourself its easier that way! Certain members should try and stop singling out other members - thats where the problem lies. And they Know nothing about those certain members to start with and obviously dont want to know anything about them! Certain people should stop criticising every post I make for a start - Seems to be a forum hierarchy here me thinks? Not very good for building bridges now is it? Take the rainforest out of your own eyes and all that..........! respect the posts of others and their views even if you dont agree with them instead of mouthing of at every instance possible - its childesh and immature. If you expect people to read and take on board in a positive way what you post, then treat the posts of others accordingly - Do onto others etc etc..............

Try cutting and pasting this phrase into your posts if you must have a go at someones post:

"I respect your opinion, however, I disagree due to the following reasons..."

(insert reasons only after having researched and have validated proof that the other members post is wrong."

Does that not sound better than "Bollox mate, you love in lala land, everything you post is a lie and made up, I disagree with everything you right for no reason other than Im going to disagree with you coz Im always right and your always wrong, and i dont know you, dont want to so Im gonna sl*g you, and my cars better than yours anyway"???

Then maybe friendlier reactions can start occuring and new bonds created?

PS - thats a generalisation and not aimed at anyone

 

[JonC]

Why do some people keep going on about "Cups being faster", or "Cup isnt as that fast", "it has the same engine", "no it doesnt have the same engine", blah de blah de blah! I admit that Im guilty of this too, but now its got to the point so what!, Big Whoop! There must be a dozen threads that keep going over and over this again and again.

The performace difference is negligable between the two in the real world, like the difference between a MKI and MKII is negligible. It will be down to the better driver that decides who is faster and not the car, and whos to say who is the better driver? Take it on a track day. I think youll find that some in normal 172s will be faster that those in Cups and visa versa. I noticed quite a few Cup/172s are modded who can say which is faster then? If you think its faster then take it on a track and put you money where your mouth is.

So,lets change the record please, and post something more constructive. Ta!

 

[Dash]

http://erc.qmuc.ac.uk/cliosport/file.php?image=cs_construction.jpg

 

[JonC]

LOL!

 

[JonC]

Happy Easter everyone, Im off!!................

 

[Neil82]

Quote: Originally posted by JonC on 17 April 2003


Why do some people keep going on about "Cups being faster", or "Cup isnt as that fast", "it has the same engine", "no it doesnt have the same engine", blah de blah de blah! I admit that Im guilty of this too, but now its got to the point so what!, Big Whoop! There must be a dozen threads that keep going over and over this again and again.

The performace difference is negligable between the two in the real world, like the difference between a MKI and MKII is negligible. It will be down to the better driver that decides who is faster and not the car, and whos to say who is the better driver? Take it on a track day. I think youll find that some in normal 172s will be faster that those in Cups and visa versa. I noticed quite a few Cup/172s are modded who can say which is faster then? If you think its faster then take it on a track and put you money where your mouth is.

So,lets change the record please, and post something more constructive. Ta!

Round a track a Cup will beat a 172 with little hassle if drivers are of similar skill, in a straight line even if the 172 gets on the power first the Cup will still come passed. If floored at same time Cup will pull passed 172 with not much hassle. FACT. BUT thats not to take anything away from the 172 as its a very fast and good handling car one of the best hot hatches out. After all the Cup is a 172 - 90 kg and uprated suspension so for Cup drivers to sl*g it is a bit silly.

 

[paddymph]

thats why i put im bored of it. im bored of reading the same old rollocks on here, day in day out..... not bored of other peoples opinions thank you very much. get your facts right please.

 

[McBunny]

same here my dig wasnt at cups but at the ecu , but i take a dig at the ecu then he starts spouting off about the cup been faster i dont car if the cup is faster i didnt buy my car to be faster i have a 172 i could have bought a cup if i wanted to but nope i chose the 172. the chip in my opinion is the same as the lad conversion not worth the money, im not trying to piss anyone off with my comments but in my opinion there are better things to spend ya cash on !

 

[McBunny]

and i did say imho anway.

 

[172man]

Round a track a Cup will beat a 172 with little hassle if drivers are of similar skill, in a straight line even if the 172 gets on the power first the Cup will still come passed. If floored at same time Cup will pull passed 172 with not much hassle. FACT. BUT thats not to take anything away from the 172 as its a very fast and good handling car one of the best hot hatches out. After all the Cup is a 172 - 90 kg and uprated suspension so for Cup drivers to sl*g it is a bit silly.




all these CUP drivers talk a good fight the best bit is the little hassle bit ahahaah.

i mean i saw some vid clip of a 172 doing well against a subaru does that mean according to neil cup that the Cup will pull away from a scooby.

 

[McBunny]

i dunt understand why it needs to so re inforced that the cups are faster than 172s is it because they are cheaper ?? for 5 k i can get a car that does 0-100 in 10 secondsand 0-60 in 3.4 and it will corner and stop far far faster than a cup and it will be much more fun to drive

 

[ClioCupMiester]

Why are there so many tw*ts on these forums??? Cup/172/V6 etc, etc with a confident or able driver will be able to keep up and or beat many other forms of exotica given the right circumstances.

I dont see many people sl*gging off the pr*cks round here who ONLY talk about "doing" cars off the lights etc. When a decent subject comes up to discuss the vast majority just start sl*gging people off.

CUPSIZE had some valid points, simply lowering a car WILL NOT make it faster, it is only if you fit a proper suspension kit will any conering difference be a contributing factor to a cars overall ability.

Ive owned signifcantly faster cars than the CUP and my previous MK1 172, I loved the MK1 but the CUP offers more!

The 172 and the CUP are basically the same, just the CUP is more fined tuned, and thats it...........



Sort yourselfs out will you

 

[Neil82]

Quote: Originally posted by 172man on 17 April 2003


Round a track a Cup will beat a 172 with little hassle if drivers are of similar skill, in a straight line even if the 172 gets on the power first the Cup will still come passed. If floored at same time Cup will pull passed 172 with not much hassle. FACT. BUT thats not to take anything away from the 172 as its a very fast and good handling car one of the best hot hatches out. After all the Cup is a 172 - 90 kg and uprated suspension so for Cup drivers to sl*g it is a bit silly.




all these CUP drivers talk a good fight the best bit is the little hassle bit ahahaah.

i mean i saw some vid clip of a 172 doing well against a subaru does that mean according to neil cup that the Cup will pull away from a scooby.

I will say the Cup will pull away from that 172. Do you release my bro has a 172 and I have a Cup we are speaking from personal experince FFS I aint just making it up.

 

[172man]

FFS what u mean u pull away like an EVO 7?

the quickest magazine time for a 172 is 6.54 secs the Cup is 6.5 !

 

[blaze]

Top guys, Jonc, Paddy, Neilcup & dogmaul (if I have missed others, SORRY).does "Mr. double D" aka "cupsize" think the RSport ECU upgrade gives 8 BHP & 15/16 lb/ft of extra torque" NOT HAPPENING with the overpriced upgrade.

CUPBOY If U want to prove it U will have to do bettter than that rhetoric. No one will believe it, unless U show the RR results (and on the same day) with the before and after

People used to to respect and listen to others on this forum. Sadly no longer .

There is too muich bsh*t .

For accurate info. and what to do with your cars for performance read really decent threads, They are the way to go. This may mean BenR or Nick or dare I say, the old nemisis "slarty" . No one person will give a far better indication of what N/A engines are capable of, or turbos now..

 

[172man]

if ive ever heard anyone talk soo much sh*t its CUPSIZE

 

[Neil82]

Quote: Originally posted by 172man on 17 April 2003


FFS what u mean u pull away like an EVO 7?

the quickest magazine time for a 172 is 6.54 secs the Cup is 6.5 !

I wish! hehe But I do pull away a fare bit, we will have another rematch tonight and see how many car lengths are in it from 30-100.

 

[172man]

video it !

whats a fair bit?

ps; tell ur bro not to bounce of the rev limit