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chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
Yep, I have that saved on my ebay list. Have (As always) asked for confirmation with my registration number that they will fit
Not sure what the difference is between those and 182 disc's on the rear.
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
Purchased the rear brake discs fitted with bearing and ABS ring. they look the same. And pads.
Went to fit it today, and am guessing the caliper hasn't been removed since date of first registration 18 years ago
Just couldn't get the bottom bolt of the caliper holder off. 17mm and tried, and tried, and tapped with hammer, and ring spanner, and socket, standard spanner and WD40d and everything. Wont budge- almost seems welded in! Top one was difficult , but got that one out. Couldn't remove the pads either (Took the little bar thing out) although I think I could've with a bit more wellie, as one moved a couple millimetres
I haven't rounded off the bolt by any means, but a 17mm socket wont hold
ANY TIPS?
Any ideas, or is it take somewhere to get them to loosen them all off for a few quid?
Have put it all back together, and may not bother again if they seem to work OK. Although the discs are well past their sell by date, and pads down to 2-3 mm.
What you think?
Went to fit it today, and am guessing the caliper hasn't been removed since date of first registration 18 years ago
Just couldn't get the bottom bolt of the caliper holder off. 17mm and tried, and tried, and tapped with hammer, and ring spanner, and socket, standard spanner and WD40d and everything. Wont budge- almost seems welded in! Top one was difficult , but got that one out. Couldn't remove the pads either (Took the little bar thing out) although I think I could've with a bit more wellie, as one moved a couple millimetres
I haven't rounded off the bolt by any means, but a 17mm socket wont hold
ANY TIPS?
Any ideas, or is it take somewhere to get them to loosen them all off for a few quid?
Have put it all back together, and may not bother again if they seem to work OK. Although the discs are well past their sell by date, and pads down to 2-3 mm.
What you think?
Impact gun.
Or good socket and big bar ?
I take it there is some wiggle in your socket if your worried?
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
Yes- trying to remove cradle to replace disc.
Didnt wanna take pads out, although they wobbled ok, in case I failed on removing cradle bolts, which I did
Socket seems ok, as it sorted the top one, but a bit of room although the lower bolt just beginning to round off, have filed, and left to soak in WD40
Impact gun sounds good, have tried big bar- that's what got the top off.
Can't remember the imperial size just below 17mm an give it a tap on.
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Breaker bar. I've got a 600mm one that doesn't struggle to budge anything, especially not with 19 stone on the c**t?
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
Yes, I tried sifting though the sizes to find the imperial below 17mm
Found 16mm but that didnt fit
Thinking of popping into kwik fit or something, get them to crack them all off, then wheels back on, home, then do the job
fingers crossed for you
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
should've tried harde with a pair of grips I spose= just worried bout completely shredding the head
Reckon its never been undone in 100.000miles
Reckon its never been undone in 100.000miles
?
it should go try loosening the bottom first.
whack a 11/16 socket on it an get your breaker bar on it.
Checked my toolbox there to see what socket it was ?
172
Many ugga duggas
If I remember right the last rear brakes I did similar. One side took a 17mm and the other an 18mm due to rust.
Be prepared to fork out for 4 new tyres, tracking, disks n pads.
All part of the service
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
LOL. Yes, have been to kwikfit b4 for a "free" brake and exhaust check
They tried to tell me i needed loadsa stuff, including a full new exhaust system (Which the leak they couldnt find, was repaired when I replaced the cat converter with a sportscat). I still made sure I came outta there not spending a penny. You've just got to NOT listed to them
I went in for a free allignment check after fitting my new shocks just so I could get a hunter printout, it was literally about 1 minute away from perfect but apparently it would scrub my tyres away in no time if I didn't pay the 50 quid for them to adjust it lol
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
Gave up with trying to swap the discs over, couldn't get the lower bolt undone. Tried again after soaking with WD40 and thought I had cracked it off, but it just slipped. Either going to try a new socket (Hex) , or a professional, or have a go heating the bolt up. Not sure
So- ended up just replacing the pads which was a PITA in itself. Removing and replacing the little metal bar was difficult, and didnt realise the retaining clips didnt come as new in the box with the pads, so had to hunt around for the old ones- least I found them. Caliper was dead stiff.
However, the discs look pretty bad, almost like the surface is breaking away- although they are not used for much I reckon?
So- ended up just replacing the pads which was a PITA in itself. Removing and replacing the little metal bar was difficult, and didnt realise the retaining clips didnt come as new in the box with the pads, so had to hunt around for the old ones- least I found them. Caliper was dead stiff.
However, the discs look pretty bad, almost like the surface is breaking away- although they are not used for much I reckon?
you could try removing whole caliper there are 2 bolts in the rear which allows you to remove whole caliper just a thought.?
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
So- was looking at photo below, which is nearside rear, after replacing with new pads, and wondering whether the clips have been put in right?
Looks like both pad retenrion clips hit the brake disc surface? So gonna go back and have a closer look as the brakes squeal occasionally
As you can see from previous posts, i wanted to change both rear discs as the outer inch seems destroyed. Now i think these metal clips have been the destroyer!
Still havent loosened the seized nut ( which is the lower one in this photo but on the rear offside) and am waiting for a new 17mm hex socket, or will heat the nut up if that dont work, so i can finally change the knackered discs.
Looks like both pad retenrion clips hit the brake disc surface? So gonna go back and have a closer look as the brakes squeal occasionally
As you can see from previous posts, i wanted to change both rear discs as the outer inch seems destroyed. Now i think these metal clips have been the destroyer!
Still havent loosened the seized nut ( which is the lower one in this photo but on the rear offside) and am waiting for a new 17mm hex socket, or will heat the nut up if that dont work, so i can finally change the knackered discs.
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chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
And this is what i mean about the state of the discs. This is the worse one, but as you can see on the outer rim, this is where i believe those clips have been scratching the surface?
Do those clips have to be there?
Do those clips have to be there?
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
They didnt seem like they were touching the discs when I spun the wheel after fitting the new pads, but looking at the photo I am gonna double check. All I could hear were the pads touching the disc just a little bit. The brakes do loudly squeal when full pressure put on.
OK, Will have a look at the bolts on the back of the caliper bracket. I assume the 2 bolts we can see in the first photo are to remove caliper only, and the bolts you are talking about could be holding the bracket, that holds the caliper? That make sense
Didnt see those 2 bolts at the back, but will hava look see. Hope they aint seized too!!!
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
If you look at the rusty bit about 6 mm in the photo, between the 2 clips, that's the disc!
They both look like they are touching it- might just be the way the photo looks
EDIT: Thinking about it, the clips will bee on the edges of the brake pad, so should be quite a few millimetres away from the edge of the disc, but will look.
The 2 bolts you see in photo are to split caliper I.e to remove only cradle.
the 2 I'm speaking about are to remove whole caliper as 1 unit.
Did you coat edges and back of pads with brake grease or copper slip.
doubt it will make much difference with those disc's to be fair.
I strongly recommend replacing those disc's.
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
And I still reckon it could possibly be those clips that have scratched the, outer inch or so, discs to bits like that
I think it's your pads buffing away all the build up of rust etc.
doubt those would even get close to touching as far down as that.
It honestly looks fine to me.
Just to replace disc's. ?
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
The problem is that you've let the pads get so b*****d low and the boot on the caliper piston is shagged so your piston is probably caked in s**t and sticking now too which will cause it to bind
If you don't have the clips in then your rear pads will fall out and you'll have an even bigger headache
If you don't have the clips in then your rear pads will fall out and you'll have an even bigger headache
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Also, how are you struggling with them bolts? Get a breaker bar and stand on the c**t if you have to
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
I have a breaker bar, and used it, and would have been happy to stand on it, but it slipped. That's why Ive ordered a new hex socket, although the bolt head is suffering from slippage on it. The one I used wasn't bad, but hoping a brand spanking new one will help. The bolt is seized- so any amount of standing on it will only, possibly, shear the head which I don't want. Last resort is heat up with blow torch, if that don't work, cut head off, drill out and tap a new thread. Lot of hassle for an old lady car.
In relation to your comment on the pads, the pads had around 3-4mm on them so didnt need changing really. The discs were on there when I bought the car, and as the brakes worked well, I decided to leave them alone. The pistons worked fine, as I wound them back no problem, and the boots both seem to be doing their job, even though the one in the photo don't look great.
Finally- other than the occasional squeaking, the brakes all round seem to be working better than ever. So I will continue to think about the best way forward, rather than resort to crash/ bang / whallop
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
To me, that bar inserted at the bottom of the pads seems to fix the pads in place with great force. Cant see 2 piddly pieces of wire holding them in place.
But hey, what do I know
the bar is there to stop the pad rattling when moving along uneven ground etc.To me, that bar inserted at the bottom of the pads seems to fix the pads in place with great force. Cant see 2 piddly pieces of wire holding them in place.
But hey, what do I know
which is most of UK ?.
wire/spring/clip just Incase you thought I ment the bottom bar ?
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Bottom bar is to stop rattle, spring clips are there to retain the pads when pressing against the mating surface.
Why don't you remove the 18mm bolts holding the caliper to the rear beam instead?
Why don't you remove the 18mm bolts holding the caliper to the rear beam instead?
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
Yes, think that's what William84 suggested- so will have a go at that at weekend
18mm eh- they will be big n chunky then
let me know how you get on.
remember an check if you have spacers for your bearings. Not sure why tho. I'm sure someone on here will explain why they are there and why sometimes you don't need them.
As on my old disc's I had no spacer everything was fine but changed them and needed spacers before I could fit new ones.
chris blue
ClioSport Area Rep
172 Ph1 2001
Will let you know how I get on, but a bit nervous getting other bolts off, when I haven't succeeded with these. Just get on with it I reckon, asap.
Yes, seen quite a few just used the old ones, which is my intention
Good thing about having a separate daily driver, is if you need anything when Clio is up in the air, just jump in the motor and go buy it
Thanks for your advice thus far
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