i just meant a bit wider like the front
hmmm so cheaper price means it better? Interesting?!
then the thread is pointless!!
they are 2 totally different cars!!!
then the thread is pointless!!
its like comparing a Y reg Seat Leon Cupra to an 08 Leon Cupra R K1. There is no comparrison in the respects of styling, performance etc etc becuase they are 2 totally different cars!!!
You cant pick and choose what points you want to compare and then make your mind up. You have to look at the whole picture
while everyone is entitled to an opinion, would be good if you have actually driven a 197 for a period of time instead of making a subjective opinion lol ?
maybe you have???? then fair enough.
bit harsh to say 'it fails' when it is a very very capable hot hatch
while everyone is entitled to an opinion, would be good if you have actually driven a 197 for a period of time instead of making a subjective opinion lol ?
maybe you have???? then fair enough.
bit harsh to say 'it fails' when it is a very very capable hot hatch
Ben the whole discussion isn't about what you want though. It's about which is the best car, no?
I own a 182 but if I wanted another Clio right now I'd have a 197 because it's a far better car in almost every way.
No the discussion is about which is the better car, but again you have just taken the same approach as most people and said 197 becuase its better. (without going into why?)
Its also a lot more expensive which is why I said I prefer the 1*2's. If you could pay £6k for a 182 and £6k for a 197 then I would have the 197 without a doubt.
Well from what I've read of your posts mate, you seem to be basing your opinion on which is the better car, on your budget. The cost only comes into it if you're just deciding which is the better based on what you can afford. That's the way it seems to me anyway but if I'm wrong then apologies.
I've owned both, the 197 is better, FACT.
i agree though this isnt about bashing the 197 but it feels like a limo compared to a 182Have to say that in looks I prefer the 197, but to drive I wouldn't think twice about going for a 182. It has the crucial feeling of 'being alive' that the 197 completely lacks. I'm sure most folks on here who have driven both know what I mean.
What you MEANT to say there is that the 197 is unquestionably more technically capable than the 182. Better is subjective according to how much weight you give to things like the increased build quality, bigger footprint on the road and more stable feeling. Others would place greater importance by the bonkers 205 GTi-type feeling, value-for-money and raw thrills.
What you MEANT to say there is that the 197 is unquestionably more technically capable than the 182. Better is subjective according to how much weight you give to things like the increased build quality, bigger footprint on the road and more stable feeling. Others would place greater importance by the bonkers 205 GTi-type feeling, value-for-money and raw thrills.
Exactly
EH? I am agreeing with him saying you have to take all the factors into concideration.
My friend bought a Megane Trophy in Aug 2008 and has recently tried to sell it and realised he is set to loose around £5k on what he paid for it.
All I was trying to say is that its not just the way a car makes you feel that needs to be addressed.
Never Mind....
If i offered to straight swap my 197 with yours today, would you do it? Thats the test as to which you prefer. If you would rather keep yours, then you really do prefer the 182 which is cool. If you'd take the 197, then it is about affordability.
I know 2 people who traded backwards - the previous owner of my 197 went back to a trophy, and a local guy on this forum jay197 had a 197 and also sold it for a trophy, and in neither case was it down to affordability, it was down purely to their desires from a car.
so if you had a budget of £12k would you still pick the 182 or would you have bought a 197? Also, how the hell does fuel consumption come into 'BANG'?? if thats accurate then the toyota aygo has looaads of bang aswell, and would work well with a budget...If I had a budget of £1500 then hell yes I'd go for a Williams, but I had a budget of £5k when I bought my car a few years ago.
BANG = Performance, Handling, Fuel Consumption etc
BUCK = Your overall budget
Always the way I buy a car
so if you had a budget of £12k would you still pick the 182 or would you have bought a 197? Also, how the hell does fuel consumption come into 'BANG'?? if thats accurate then the toyota aygo has looaads of bang aswell, and would work well with a budget...
With regards to it trying to hard because it has wide arches, you do realise your front wings on your 182 are wide arches dont you? and the valver and williams also wide arched? does that mean every RS is trying to hard to be different to a normal clio?
I like how the 1*2s look but I love how the 197 looks
If you could pay £6k for a 182 and £6k for a 197 then I would have the 197 without a doubt.
If i offered to straight swap my 197 with yours today, would you do it? Thats the test as to which you prefer. If you would rather keep yours, then you really do prefer the 182 which is cool. If you'd take the 197, then it is about affordability.
I know 2 people who traded backwards - the previous owner of my 197 went back to a trophy, and a local guy on this forum jay197 had a 197 and also sold it for a trophy, and in neither case was it down to affordability, it was down purely to their desires from a car.