Clio 197 Race Car On Throttle Bodies

[Icarus]

We did a very quick write up in our section on this but here's a more detailed one with lots more photos etc.

Nick Jones Racing comisioned us to upgrade their X85 Clio Cup race car for competitive use in the WSSC Championship, as far as we are aware this is the first X85 in the UK to upgraded in this way.

A brief spec is:

Stage 1:
- AT Power F4R830 DTH Throttle Bodies
- EC EC1 Engine Controller
- TDF X85 PNP looms
- RaceTech or Pi Omega Dash Display

Stage 2:
- As above with CAT404 Cams
- CAT Valve Springs
- Recut valve seats
- RaceTech of Pi data logging.

Pictures of the completed car in Stage 1 as follows:

Port throttles fitted

Filter installed behind relieved front panel

Another view showing packaging.

Front view showing filter position and clearance.

Dash2 display installed.

EC1 engine controller fits in stock ECU bracket on firewall.

Complete and built up.

Video of the car on our dyno during calibration:

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Final figures in stage 1 circa 207bhp and 170ftlbs of torque with over 150ftlbs available from 3500RPM to 7000RPM. Nick Jones reports the car was much improved at Pembrey this weekend with and capable of keeping with competitors which had previously had much better corner exit and straight line speed.

The car is back for Stage 2 in a fortnight at which point I expect it to be making over 220bhp.

The EC1 engine controller is running all systems on the car including the original vehicle CANBus for the PDM etc.

Hope you like it!

Matt

 

[Paul.M]

Awesome stuff!
cant view the video at work but will watch it first thing when i get home

 

[Paul182]

i want some of them on mine !

 

[Ali]

V smart.

 

[Christopher]

Awesome.

If I had the money, or any money for that matter... no one else would touch my car if I went this route.

Always a proper job.

 

[Mr Burns]

Yes please.

 

[Naith]

lovely stuff Matthew

cue the CS masses,

'how much is that, can you setup a groupbuy'

'my remap gave me 203, that aint that impressif'

 

[Christopher]

It's only the minority that are like that, really. But yeah, it's a shame

 

[Naith]

you know what i mean, the 'know it alls' slagging off as per. saying that no1 has yet so i just look like a tawt.

bye.

 

[ForceIndia]

Looks good! Sadly my car weighs more than a singularity, chasing power seems pointless. Otherwise I'd be paying a visit to tdf!

 

[Icarus]

Glad you like it guys. To add one more thing from the point this car came into us to the point it was on circuit swapping paint (without having a single problem over the whole race weekend) was 10 days. That includes designing and producing the looms, doing the CAN data export to run the PDM etc. fitting the throttle bodies, fitting and configuring the dash display and a few misc fabrication bits.

We'd have had it done in a week if the Autosport connectors hadn't have been on back order

 

[Gally]

Will the air intake/bodies be affected by the panel Icarus?

 

[Icarus]

No its fine where it is. There is a lot of airmass available where they are positioned from the lower grill.

 

[Hutchie]

Glad you like it guys. To add one more thing from the point this car came into us to the point it was on circuit swapping paint (without having a single problem over the whole race weekend) was 10 days. That includes designing and producing the looms, doing the CAN data export to run the PDM etc. fitting the throttle bodies, fitting and configuring the dash display and a few misc fabrication bits.

We'd have had it done in a week if the Autosport connectors hadn't have been on back order

this to a lot of people wont mean that much.

but i highly applaud Matt for his work, and absolutely will not take my car anywhere else, "THE" guy i trust with my car.

 

[marinemackay2003]

mmmmm very nice

 

[lbrench]

Looks and sounds awesome!!

 

[lbrench]

Impressive figures too, will that be the first 197 to be 220bhp without forced induction? I know there is one abroad called 'the red baron' that is rather quick

 

[Barron]

Looks really good matt! im sure it must have had a higher budget that what i have

 

[maynard]

nice work

if only i had more money!

 

[AT_Power]

Impressive figures too, will that be the first 197 to be 220bhp without forced induction? I know there is one abroad called 'the red baron' that is rather quick

There are plenty of 197 rally cars in europe running around 240-250bhp (obviously with more engine work). There are lots of cars out there that never make it onto the t'internet, especially race/rally cars.

Congrats Matt. Glad you got it all together in the end. Looks like a proper job, as they say. I look forward to the updates.

John.

 

[chrispy.clio]

Wow that looks pretty tight in there. Looks fantastic though.

If i get a 197 i'll come to you to get it ITB'd

 

[Dean.]

out of interest matt, who do you get to do the mechanics side? or do you do it?

Dean

 

[AT_Power]

It's been rumoured there are some small orange fellas that come out in the small hours of the morning who can fit a set of throttle bodies in just an hour... (bit of an in joke so won't make sense to most!)

 

[crazycup_racer]

It's been rumoured there are some small orange fellas that come out in the small hours of the morning who can fit a set of throttle bodies in just an hour... (bit of an in joke so won't make sense to most!)

Are you implying that matt is willy wonka?? :rasp:

I mean i was impressed at TDF's set up but i did miss the chocolate river, i would of been all over that lol

 

[Dean.]

crazycupracer... are you from huntingdon area? i always see a 172 cup and a yellow leon driving together, dont suppose thats you is it? lol

 

[Icarus]

Pres - we don't offer mechanical services such as servicing, exhaust fit etc. etc. but we're happy to take on projects such as this X85 and fit our ITB kits etc. where the work goes hand in hand with our electronics work. Both Greg and I have worked as race engineers so twirling spanners to fit ITBs etc. is no problem.

Chocolate river is going in next week once we get the new wiring department finished

John that was a hell of a long hour you spent on yours

 

[Jay Payne]

Nice work. Looks more 'normal' than the up and over setup ive seen on 197's before.

stickers on the ecu cases now then?

 

[Icarus]

Nice work. Looks more 'normal' than the up and over setup ive seen on 197's before.

stickers on the ecu cases now then?

We didn't find any need to go for longer trumpets than we could package in, yes more torque would be available with longer inlet tracts but these work well and support power outputs upto 245bhp without trouble. Gains on the 830 engine will naturaly be lower than those on the 730 as it has a much better inlet manifold setup to begin with. Torque gains from the increased port velocities were very pleasing though.

Laser etched actualy not stickers If you're really well behaved I'll show you our new carbon fibre cased ones next time you're down

 

[Hutchie]

Laser etched actualy not stickers If you're really well behaved I'll show you our new carbon fibre cased ones next time you're down

stickers were too complicated.

look forward to seeing pretty box's

 

[ben_r1]

TDF i know its difficult to give vauge quotes but what sort of money would it cost an owner to drive in, have the throttle body kit fitted and setup and drive away reliably.

Is this something that would ever be an option offered to road users or strictly just one off big bucks race packages?

If so how would it be integrated with the OEM dash and other controls of the vehicle ( ECU, ESP, ABS, TCS etc. )

 

[john lloyd]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...er-Production-F4R-730-and-830-Engine-Packages

 

[kevin_172]

thats not for standard cars... thats a full engine....... you can just run ITB's and ECU

 

[rich83]

Hi guys, I know this is a mega old thread but does anyone recall if TDF ever did stage 2 with this and what power it made?
I found this video of the car making 240bhp - however I don't know if that was using the catcam 404's etc as detailed in the first post?



I know I could contact TDF but I'd just be time wasting for now and so I prefer not to waste peoples time if pos.

Cheers

 

[Stu-]

Hi guys, I know this is a mega old thread but does anyone recall if TDF ever did stage 2 with this and what power it made?
I found this video of the car making 240bhp - however I don't know if that was using the catcam 404's etc as detailed in the first post?



I know I could contact TDF but I'd just be time wasting for now and so I prefer not to waste peoples time if pos.

Cheers

Those are TDF's rollers! So it could well be that they completed it.

 

[DannyR]

TDF aren't in Kimbolton anymore and haven't been for at least a year.

 

[Cub.]

I wouldn't overly worry about wasting TDF's time. Sometimes, what goes around, comes around.

 

[rich83]

haha fair enough, I'll drop them a mail first. Just at the planning stage right now, amassing info on tract lengths and tapers, injector and butterfly postioning etc, so it'll probably be winter before and if I start an ITB project. However if there was a proven kit making 240bhp and a half decent shape to the curve it would make life easier.

 

[NorthloopCup]

haha fair enough, I'll drop them a mail first. Just at the planning stage right now, amassing info on tract lengths and tapers, injector and butterfly postioning etc, so it'll probably be winter before and if I start an ITB project. However if there was a proven kit making 240bhp and a half decent shape to the curve it would make life easier.

Don't waste your time or money with TDF mate. Do your research first. Trust me, you'll regret it otherwise.

 

[rich83]

Well that's the thing I wasn't planning on spending any money with them hence I didn't especially want to phone or even email really. I just want to know if this same car using 404's went on to make the 240bhp in the video, or if it got further developed to make 240?

In hindsight I wish I went for 404's, but I'd take 230bhp on 403's and ITB's with a decent torque curve. I need to run a standalone anyway because the stock ECU is just too much at odd's with itself under lambda.

Currently I'm thinking Jenvey SF taper bodies (51mm inlet, 48mm butterfly), mated to 51x90mm taper trumpets maintaing the 4.5deg taper with body. - That'll effectivley extend the airhorn length past the spindle to the manifold face. Manifold would be mandrel bent to shape, it'll be fairly short due to space and so the injector and butterfly will probably be closer than ideal, but the overal tract length with taper should be about as good as I can get in the space.
All a compromise when you have got feck all room. I mean the option is a long manifold to get the injector and butterfly in a better position, but then I'd have to run the slim 30mm deep non-taper ITB's and v.short airhorns..... I think the first option is probably the better compromise. Also first option is easier for filter packing - it means I can use the stepped grp backplate and 65mm deep filter (giving 115mm interior room for 90mm trumpets - ideal and what I ran on my 106).

Shame you don't like ITB's mate

 

[NorthloopCup]

Well that's the thing I wasn't planning on spending any money with them hence I didn't especially want to phone or even email really. I just want to know if this same car using 404's went on to make the 240bhp in the video, or if it got further developed to make 240?

In hindsight I wish I went for 404's, but I'd take 230bhp on 403's and ITB's with a decent torque curve. I need to run a standalone anyway because the stock ECU is just too much at odd's with itself under lambda.

Currently I'm thinking Jenvey SF taper bodies (51mm inlet, 48mm butterfly), mated to 51x90mm taper trumpets maintaing the 4.5deg taper with body. - That'll effectivley extend the airhorn length past the spindle to the manifold face. Manifold would be mandrel bent to shape, it'll be fairly short due to space and so the injector and butterfly will probably be closer than ideal, but the overal tract length with taper should be about as good as I can get in the space.
All a compromise when you have got feck all room. I mean the option is a long manifold to get the injector and butterfly in a better position, but then I'd have to run the slim 30mm deep non-taper ITB's and v.short airhorns..... I think the first option is probably the better compromise. Also first option is easier for filter packing - it means I can use the stepped grp backplate and 65mm deep filter (giving 115mm interior room for 90mm trumpets - ideal and what I ran on my 106).

Shame you don't like ITB's mate :smile:

I'll have another update in a minute which shows the reason why I don't like ITB's. Lol!
If there was a decent base manifold available I'd possibly consider them, but I'm not interested one bit in fabricating one. Shame Jenvey don't do them really.