Clio 200 R Meggy R

[Louism]

Right, i was just typing a couple of bits and pieces into google and on the evo forum theres was a slight mention of a 200 R,
It probs isnt going to happen however as IMO the meggy R26R was a fail as they couldnt sell all the alocated number and around half meant for the UK went back to europe.

It did get me thinking tho, what additions could there be?
Someone on here who i think was swiss says they are launching a black and white edition with all the trimmings for less money and a black roof.

Could be see another special addition meggy also cos im a big fan of the R26R however its dropped around 5k in a year!

 

[ForceIndia]

Although everyone applauds a car like that, not many want to own a car like that. I think future specials are more likely to be fully loaded with unique details (colour etc).

 

[Beef-Mc]

Swiss have their special edition called the Black and White, couple of pics on here of it.

 

[Bazzon]

IMO the R wasnt a fail, it but Rsport in all the mags/TV shows. It did good things for the brand and it also put Rsport on the top of the Hot hatch table it also did a little damage to the Focus RS launch (i love the RS).

Doubt they will do another R for a couple of years though. I think the next step will be the Gordini brand and putting this back on top of the Rsport tree.

That Black/white edition is nothing special like the trophy or the R, Just a way for them to shift a few 200s and some spare white paint.

 

[Naith]

R a fail? it helped to make RenaultSport the manufactuer of the moment.

was the last of the lairy RS's for a while now renault are doing this gordon-ini sh1te and aiming for bland, corporate sales

 

[Louism]

R a fail? it helped to make RenaultSport the manufactuer of the moment.

was the last of the lairy RS's for a while now renault are doing this gordon-ini sh1te and aiming for bland, corporate sales

I dont for a second think that it wasnt well recieved by petrol heads however renault upt the number we were getting due to our love of hot hatches and were unable to shift even the original quota.
I see the points regarding getting Renault spoken about.

 

[Waitey]

R a fail? it helped to make RenaultSport the manufactuer of the moment.

It was a huge fail for them. You can be the taste of the moment all you want but at the end of the day the aim is to sell cars which they didn't.

 

[Naith]

they are selling cars though?! the publicity generated along with reviews is something they can dine off for a while... and they will.

you gotta remember they pretty much launched it on the rok bottom day of the recession too!

 

[Jonny1*2]

It's never seen fail. Thought they shifted the lot now? its a fab car, but the type of people they gear it at either can't afford the price tag, or think it is crazy spending 25K on an impractical hot hatch. Saying that i'd love one

 

[Bazzon]

It was a huge fail for them. You can be the taste of the moment all you want but at the end of the day the aim is to sell cars which they didn't.

Not always true. Take the Veyron for example. There was no money in it for VW.
R26R was never going to sell huge amount but i got huge publicity for the brand.

 

[Waitey]

they are selling cars though?! the publicity generated along with reviews is something they can dine off for a while... and they will.

you gotta remember they pretty much launched it on the rok bottom day of the recession too!

Well their over all sales didn't go up that quarter in fact it went down and the R26R bombed . It was a marketing flop.

 

[Gally]

I'm not sure how many they sold but as a car they did well.

 

[Louism]

It's never seen fail. Thought they shifted the lot now? its a fab car, but the type of people they gear it at either can't afford the price tag, or think it is crazy spending 25K on an impractical hot hatch. Saying that i'd love one

no mate out of around 239 cars means for us around 100 went back to be converted to LHD.

Another thing i dont understand is why there has been so many for sale on piston heads, people have lost so much on them and still wanna sell them so quickly.

 

[Waitey]

Not always true. Take the Veyron for example. There was no money in it for VW.
R26R was never going to sell huge amount but i got huge publicity for the brand.

You can't compare the Veyron to a main stream car. It was just a technical showcase.

 

[Naith]

how is the R mainstream?!

Veyron showed what can be done to make the ultimate car

.R showed what can be done to make the ultimate hothatch.

people will talk about it for years to come in the 'normal persons' life, ie people that want nice cars but cant afford a AMG, etc. renault wont see that as a loss when people consider an RS 5 years down the line.

 

[Bazzon]

Agree with Naith

You can compare them.

 

[Louism]

Naith, do you conside the Focus RS mainstream? Or the Golf/Rocco R mainstream?

 

[Louism]

Agree with Naith

You can compare them.

News Just in, renault couldnt sell 230 in the UK.

Umm i dont see how you can compare as if VW made the same number of Veyrons as R26Rs that were made they would probs go bust

 

[Waitey]

how is the R mainstream?!

Veyron showed what can be done to make the ultimate car

.R showed what can be done to make the ultimate hothatch.

people will talk about it for years to come in the 'normal persons' life, ie people that want nice cars but cant afford a AMG, etc. renault wont see that as a loss when people consider an RS 5 years down the line.

The R. is mainstream as it was within the reach of the average buying public.

It did show what can be done but that alone doesn't make it a triumph. Most people will just see it as a Meg.

Thing is people were all like ''yeah thats awesome i'd love it if RUK would build something like that''.

When they built it and went 'here it is you guys' people moaned saying it was too hardcore and no use and they ended up not selling them all, which is a shock considering the UK is the main market for RS cars.

 

[ForceIndia]

I'll be honest, comparing the Veyron is nuts. The Veyron redefined what a car can do. The R26R merely comfirmed what was already known, lose a s**t load of weight and FWD can be epic.

Difference being, any manufacturer could do what Renault did, but won't because it's a poinltess exercise. It would take a bit more effort to match the Veyron.

Although admirable, the R26R was/is ultimately pointless. It offers zero benefits over and Elise (or similar), and loses out on handling, steering, looks etc. To this day, I'd take an R26 and spend the saved cash on suspension, remap, reclining buckets. It would be a better car 99% of the time.

 

[Naith]

mainstream in their platform yes louis, not in their execution.

the performance, continued price of ownership/parts/modification, attention, general ability sets them aside.

the want of many a younger folk and the admiration of their abilities from all ages sets them apart also, if not their limited runs of production too.

 

[Waitey]

I'll be honest, comparing the Veyron is nuts. The Veyron redefined what a car can do. The R26R merely comfirmed what was already known, lose a s**t load of weight and FWD can be epic.

Difference being, any manufacturer could do what Renault did, but won't because it's a poinltess exercise. It would take a bit more effort to match the Veyron.

Although admirable, the R26R was/is ultimately pointless. It offers zero benefits over and Elise (or similar), and loses out on handling, steering, looks etc. To this day, I'd take an R26 and spend the saved cash on suspension, remap, reclining buckets. It would be a better car 99% of the time.

Exactly if they'd copied the BMW CSL model and made the R. actually usable they'd have probably sold them all.

But i guess then most people would have moaned as said they weren't hardcore enough lol

 

[Louism]

mainstream in their platform yes louis, not in their execution.

the performance, continued price of ownership/parts/modification, attention, general ability sets them aside.

the want of many a younger folk and the admiration of their abilities from all ages sets them apart also, if not their limited runs of production too.

I see what you are saying however,
Launched at the same time same year etc, a year old Focus RS is around 24-25K, the R26R is worth around 18k. I would logically assume that the focus would be cheaper as there are many many more on the roads.
Yes the R26R was launched in the rec however so was the RS which is widly considered the best drivers car in its cat.

I think you are looking at it through a tech head side through its achievments not the sale side of things.

I would also say that renault are doing so well due to the fact that all the sports in their range are fab, not due to the R26R.

 

[Bazzon]

The .R was different and was something "a mainstream" company hadnt done with their cars. Everyone was pushing power figures to prove a point.
There are many off shoots of the VXRs that i would say were more of a fail because the .R had all the publicity.

It did more for the brand that the R27 and any model with a few extras.
Although the 200 is a great car i dont believe it would have the magazine pages it has if it wasnt for the .R

 

[Waitey]

The .R was different and was something "a mainstream" company hadnt done with their cars. Everyone was pushing power figures to prove a point.

Mainstrem companies don't do it for one reason. If you don't do it right it won't work.

BMW did it spot on. Everyone loved the CSL, even though it wasn't that hardcore people still said it was a little ott so they brought the CS out and sold all of those too.

They did the same with the Mini GP. It looks a bit daft but they all sold out before release.

 

[Bazzon]

But the BMW and mini did not need to give their brand identity a boost with those cars.
They were already selling more cars than they could make.
However Rsport was in a bit of a hole with the 197 and the megane being good but not great cars. The .R did so much for the brand of Rsport.

 

[Louism]

But the BMW and mini did not need to give their brand identity a boost with those cars.
They were already selling more cars than they could make.
However Rsport was in a bit of a hole with the 197 and the megane being good but not great cars. The .R did so much for the brand of Rsport.

The new clio twingo and meggy are loved because they are great cars...

Anyway 450 R26Rs were made in total, 230 came to the UK and around 80 were sent back.

 

[Darren S]

Although everyone applauds a car like that, not many want to own a car like that. I think future specials are more likely to be fully loaded with unique details (colour etc).

I have to agree and it's such a shame. Time and again, I have to applaud Reno for designing cars such as the R26R - trying something new and breaking the mould, FTW.

I'd have one - I really would. Especially as that model of Meg is much nicer than the new one.

D.

 

[ForceIndia]

Although the 200 is a great car i dont believe it would have the magazine pages it has if it wasnt for the .R

Really? The 182 got plenty of press adoration before the Trophy?

But the BMW and mini did not need to give their brand identity a boost with those cars.
They were already selling more cars than they could make.
However Rsport was in a bit of a hole with the 197 and the megane being good but not great cars. The .R did so much for the brand of Rsport.

Again, couldn't diagree more. The R26 was a press favourite before the R, Autocar named it the best hatch in production.

 

[Bazzon]

The new clio twingo and meggy are loved because they are great cars...

Anyway 450 R26Rs were made in total, 230 came to the UK and around 80 were sent back.

All the ones that came after the.R, the 197 wasnt a huge sucess in publicity terms compared to the 200.

 

[LiquidRich]

if they bring a 200 R out thats good, I'll be buying one

 

[Waitey]

People seem to think publicity = car sales, which is rather nieve.

 

[Louism]

if they bring a 200 R out thats good, I'll be buying one

Yes i dont know how they would do it tho as i cant see any more power coming out of that engine, it would need to be turbo'd imo but then it would affect meggy sales.

Mayb the next will be a 1.6/1,8 turbo.

 

[ForceIndia]

I have to agree and it's such a shame. Time and again, I have to applaud Reno for designing cars such as the R26R - trying somethign new and breaking the mould, FTW.

I'd have one - I really would. Especially as that model of Meg is much nicer than the new one.

D.

I love the concept.

But you have to be realistic, a FWD hot hatch with fixed buckets, no rear seats, harnesses, no stereo is a nonsense for everyday use. Crappy rear bench, reclining (light) buckets, how much slower would it of been, really? It would of been a vastly better car, sold more, with bugger all compromise. You can't talk about not having any compromises when you're starting point is a FWD hatchback FFS.

If you can live with those compromises, why would you pick one over an Elise?

 

[LiquidRich]

Yes i dont know how they would do it tho as i cant see any more power coming out of that engine, it would need to be turbo'd imo but then it would affect meggy sales.

Mayb the next will be a 1.6/1,8 turbo.

Personally I really hope it isn't a turbo, if Honda can get 230bhp from a 2ltr Reanult should be able to

I Love NA engines, but I would like to see a 200R with a little bit more poke that a standard 200, plus a load of weight saving

 

[Louism]

Personally I really hope it isn't a turbo, if Honda can get 230bhp from a 2ltr Reanult should be able to

I Love NA engines, but I would like to see a 200R with a little bit more poke that a standard 200, plus a load of weight saving

Tbh, i wouldnt mind a turbo, there wouldnt be any more lag and it would increase MPG. Seriously i do about £60 a week in fuel and i have done under 5k miles in 6 months of owning it.

 

[ForceIndia]

But if M-division and Ferrari are accepting turbo's are the way forward, it's clearly the future.

 

[Louism]

But if M-division and Ferrari are accepting turbo's are the way forward, it's clearly the future.

Yes, there are electric turbos on the way which will have 0 lag.

 

[robo_#1]

yeah id be all for a turbo model aswell, driven my 197 clio and the in-laws meg250 back to back, and as "chuckable" as the clio is, the meg has the legs low down with the turbo. Id hope they'd try and keep the charectistics (sp) of it with a small turbo not some big laggy thing!

 

[Waitey]

But if M-division and Ferrari are accepting turbo's are the way forward, it's clearly the future.

Only for emmissions though. The more strict the EU get the more turbo cars will be made.

RUK's 1.2 TCE engine is a prime example.