Clio MK1 1.4 RT Engine Modification

[adeathfromadove]

Hi guys I want some help, I want to know the best engine to replace my 1.4 in my mk1. I'm not too fussed on speed its acceleration that the 1.4 is a let down on :S. My car is a work project so please no bad mouthing or scrap it :quiet:. The car was cheap and to modify it was equally cheap for me. The best I have done to my engine is replace the air box and create two air inductions to force cold air to the new air box and two air intakes to cool the manifold. But this is obviously not enough.

I am just wondering what engine to get and what is best. With any recommendations I would be eqaully appretiative if you can name any extras that can be added to the engine :star:.

 

[mr.pink87]

F4R from the 172/182 and ITB's.

 

[adeathfromadove]

will that engine be a straight swap, because I did hear that some do just drop straight in without change trans

 

[adeathfromadove]

F4R from the 172/182 and ITB's.

What about the F7P or F7R engines? I know that the trans may need to be replaced but will they fit?

 

[Dan@SJM]

Port the head and a 1.8 Laguna SPI throttle body, match the inlet to suit it. Chris H used to get cracking results from these.

 

[adeathfromadove]

Port the head and a 1.8 Laguna SPI throttle body, match the inlet to suit it. Chris H used to get cracking results from these.

is there any other forum links for this option? I dont really want to tamper with the 1.4 to much as its weak, although it has low milage I want to keep it as a spare engine... Hence I was looking at a completly different engine. Im looking at a 1.8 F7R engine at the moment as I saw one went into a williams clio.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Have a look on retro-Renault. That's where Chris H used to reside

 

[Dan@SJM]

is there any other forum links for this option? I dont really want to tamper with the 1.4 to much as its weak, although it has low milage I want to keep it as a spare engine... Hence I was looking at a completly different engine. Im looking at a 1.8 F7R engine at the moment as I saw one went into a williams clio.

The 1.8 is an f7p.

 

[adeathfromadove]

The 1.8 is an f7p.

Thats what i meant lol, ill look at that thankyou

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Find out from your insurer if there's a limit to engine size or any restrictions.

If they won't cover you, find someone who will.

1.8 16v or mk2 2.0 172 engine should fit.

Budget / expectations ?

You can get a volvo 1.7T engine in there I seem to recall.. basically you can get anything you want, within reason .. all depends on engineering skill, time and money !

 

[adeathfromadove]

Find out from your insurer if there's a limit to engine size or any restrictions.

If they won't cover you, find someone who will.

1.8 16v or mk2 2.0 172 engine should fit.

Budget / expectations ?

You can get a volvo 1.7T engine in there I seem to recall.. basically you can get anything you want, within reason .. all depends on engineering skill, time and money !

I think the f7p engine is my cheaper and easier option, it also looks attractive.
Tell me more about thos volvo engine.

 

[Djw John]

F7P/R it. Don't volvo turbo it. Speaking from experience.

 

[adeathfromadove]

F7P/R it. Don't volvo turbo it. Speaking from experience.

Thank you for the warning. Lol

 

[adeathfromadove]

Have a look on retro-Renault. That's where Chris H used to reside

can you give me a link, i cant find anything?

 

[niconkk]

K4M RS is small in size and a lot powerful engine than what you have

 

[Goodj]

Laguna V6?

 

[Paddy_g46]

F7P/R it. Don't volvo turbo it. Speaking from experience.

Out of interest what issues did you have that put you off so much? I would have thought it would have been relatively easy?

 

[Djw John]

Mechanically it was a piece of piss, dropped straight in very easily. Electrically was a nightmare! Had to run 3 ecu's, the original Renault one and 2 Volvo ones. Dave ended up paying scoff to come all the way up and do it for him, no one else was able to help!

And remember, standard they don't even have that much power, you have to spend money on them just to get them up to valver pace.

The second Clio engine conversion we did we did a f7p, in a day. Literally drove home from work on a Friday in a 1.4 and in on a Monday in a 1.8 16v.

 

[adeathfromadove]

Mechanically it was a piece of piss, dropped straight in very easily. Electrically was a nightmare! Had to run 3 ecu's, the original Renault one and 2 Volvo ones. Dave ended up paying scoff to come all the way up and do it for him, no one else was able to help!

And remember, standard they don't even have that much power, you have to spend money on them just to get them up to valver pace.

The second Clio engine conversion we did we did a f7p, in a day. Literally drove home from work on a Friday in a 1.4 and in on a Monday in a 1.8 16v.

What do I actually need to replace in my 1.4 to put this 1.8 in? Im pretty sure that the trans will be fine, but wiring, ecu, looms etc? What do I need, any advice would be most grateful! Especially from someone who has had the conversion.

 

[Djw John]

Have a read of Djw Daves project thread from pg8 here http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?278964-Stripped-Mk1-Project/page8 and hopefully that answers a lot but anything it doesnt just ask away

 

[Jonny Waugh]

F4R should fit m8 from a 172/182 good block aswell

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Find out from your insurer if there's a limit to engine size or any restrictions.

If they won't cover you, find someone who will.

1.8 16v or mk2 2.0 172 engine should fit.

Budget / expectations ?

You can get a volvo 1.7T engine in there I seem to recall.. basically you can get anything you want, within reason .. all depends on engineering skill, time and money !

.. you never actually answered any of my questions ?

I think the f7p engine is my cheaper and easier option, it also looks attractive.
Tell me more about thos volvo engine.

 

[adeathfromadove]

.. you never actually answered any of my questions ?

my budget is around £500 i should expect as work will be done myself. A volvo engine isnt my thing, as lumping a 1.8 16v in will just change the car to a willaims on inurance. Im not fussed on my insurance as I have a 2.2l max. I dont want to be swapping heads, porting, or being awkward will ECU's as I know the volvo ones can be a pain in the a**

 

[Djw John]

If your budget is £500 I'd be on the look out for a rotten valver, either ph1 or find a ph1 ecu and do the swap. A doner car is much better than a box of bits.

 

[adeathfromadove]

If your budget is £500 I'd be on the look out for a rotten valver, either ph1 or find a ph1 ecu and do the swap. A doner car is much better than a box of bits.

Thats what I was thinking to be honest, why a ph1? or does that mean mk1? I get confused with the phase bit lol.

 

[Djw John]

Mk1 ph1 ECU doesnt have an immobiliser.

 

[adeathfromadove]

Mk1 ph1 ECU doesnt have an immobiliser.

Ahh i see, ive found an f7p for 350 with all bits, i can fit myself is that a good price?

 

[Djw John]

If its got everything you need then go for it. I'm out of touch with mk1 prices though

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

Get on Clio16Valver
F7P's can be picked up for peanuts! Ignore ebay they're not £500!!!!
F7R's are harder to come by and will be more expensive.

A decent F7P + JB3 box (Valver running gear too, driveshafts, hubs, brakes ect...) Won't set you back that much and you'll get 130Bhp if it's a strong engine

Straight swap into your car with the valver loom ect...

Don't go for an F4R unless you have really deep pockets and are good at making your own wiring looms!

 

[adeathfromadove]

Get on Clio16Valver
F7P's can be picked up for peanuts! Ignore ebay they're not £500!!!!
F7R's are harder to come by and will be more expensive.

A decent F7P + JB3 box (Valver running gear too, driveshafts, hubs, brakes ect...) Won't set you back that much and you'll get 130Bhp if it's a strong engine

Straight swap into your car with the valver loom ect...

Don't go for an F4R unless you have really deep pockets and are good at making your own wiring looms!

Thank you, I will look now, I was thinking of replacing all the running gear for the valver stuff, as I know its stronger. I was thinking of getting a rear ended valvers but their really hard to come by becuase no-one ever wants to sell them whole. Such an annoyance, else I would have done it by now. I think this summer i'll lock the clio up and start the project. Whats the economy of the F7P engine 30 to the gallon? Im not fussed just wanna know.
Also I recently fitted a 57i to my clio to add a bit of performance and for some reason no matter how hard I try it wont sit correctly in replacement of the old box. any ideas?

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

Yeah replace everything from the front end of a valver basically, You will have to cut a small part of your bonnet skin out to clear the engine too if you're not putting the valver bonnet on.
Should be able to pick up all the parts cheap on clio16valver also a better place to be for MK1's
Depends on how you drive the car and where, around town being nice to mine i get 30ISH. Hammering it it's more like 20!

TAKE THAT '57i' KIT OFF RIGHT NOW. IT WILL SLOW YOUR CAR DOWN.
You will be sucking in HOT and DIRTY air from in the engine bay.
Get yourself a K&N panel filter and run some ducting from the front bumper to the airbox. MUCH BETTER!!
I did it on my 1.4, check it here:

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?655416-MK1-Long-Term-Project!-Thoughts-and-Ideas!!-)

57i kit's make a silly induction noise and do not add performance sucking in hot dirty air.

 

[adeathfromadove]

Yeah replace everything from the front end of a valver basically, You will have to cut a small part of your bonnet skin out to clear the engine too if you're not putting the valver bonnet on.
Should be able to pick up all the parts cheap on clio16valver also a better place to be for MK1's
Depends on how you drive the car and where, around town being nice to mine i get 30ISH. Hammering it it's more like 20!

TAKE THAT '57i' KIT OFF RIGHT NOW. IT WILL SLOW YOUR CAR DOWN.
You will be sucking in HOT and DIRTY air from in the engine bay.
Get yourself a K&N panel filter and run some ducting from the front bumper to the airbox. MUCH BETTER!!
I did it on my 1.4, check it here:

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?655416-MK1-Long-Term-Project!-Thoughts-and-Ideas!!-)

57i kit's make a silly induction noise and do not add performance sucking in hot dirty air.

Ive got filtered cold air going to the filter, ive double filtered the air inducts that lead from my bumper, i have two induction pipes 86mm each, and ive already got the valver bonnet, tooks months to find at a decent price. As i got pissed off with my manifold feeding the air box air... Stupid idea i think. I drive at approx 30mpg i think then, oh well might aswell drop a 1.8 in its place lol.

 

[Zmaster2k]

Trust us that 57i is wrecking it...

As said before check with your insurance, they are VERY picky with engine swaps.... it would be cheaper tbh to find and insure a valver. Than doing this.

 

[adeathfromadove]

In addition tobthe filter i have custom made a box to house this filter to stop dirt getting to the filter.

 

[adeathfromadove]

Trust us that 57i is wrecking it...

As said before check with your insurance, they are VERY picky with engine swaps.... it would be cheaper tbh to find and insure a valver. Than doing this.

Insurance isnt an issue... Trade insurance

 

[adeathfromadove]

hi again guys, ive recently been looking for an engine and wondered how hard is it to fit a renault 5 gt turbk engine instead of the valver.im nust thinking of other things to do with the engine. I know the valaver seems the safer option but how hard is it to drop the 5 turbo in its place?

This car is my show car project and the rt engine is hidious amd sluggish. I want something different. Also im im the process of spraying my interior and came to an abrupt halt. I cant seem to remove the cover for the steering column because of a dial for my lights? Honestly i dont even know what it does lol. It seems to be connected to two hoses that are difficult to remove, and the dial just doesnt pop off. How is it removed and what is it?

I will post picture soon of progress!

 

[adeathfromadove]

Got myself and full renault 5 engine and turbo, with a 16v Subframe and full kit! CHUFFED to say the least, should be an overnight swap, just need to service the engine, any recomendations of plugs for the 5 engine, wanna get this engine running nicely just want to advice for what plugs and leads to use.

 

[iLikeDuplo]

as lumping a 1.8 16v in will just change the car to a willaims

You do know the Williams is a 2.0? Higher insurance band than a valver...

 

[adeathfromadove]

You do know the Williams is a 2.0? Higher insurance band than a valver...

on a previous comment it is stated... Trade Insurance, and I got confused between engines, but either way make no difference to me. Either way now I have a renault 5 engine

 

[iLikeDuplo]

on a previous comment it is stated... Trade Insurance, and I got confused between engines, but either way make no difference to me. Either way now I have a renault 5 engine

Happy time with that - one thing I will say is be careful with the standard intercooler... they had a nasty habit of going pop even on standard boost, might be worth having a look at...