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lol...k
The williams succeeded in the competitions it was raced in though....
The vee has never been raced by renault hence its done nothing
edit: Oh and I dont own a williams, never have and never will
the V6s very existance came about because it was a race car.
the race car came first then they put it on the road, you renault guys are supposed to know this stuff yet you seem to be utterly clueless.
at least we can both say that neither of us want a williams.
here this is a V6 race car, this is how it all started and for the record it would pee all over a williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQNvqECoOfE
the race car came first then they put it on the road, you renault guys are supposed to know this stuff yet you seem to be utterly clueless.
at least we can both say that neither of us want a williams.
here this is a V6 race car, this is how it all started and for the record it would pee all over a williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQNvqECoOfE
ValverInBits
Writing about the williams, evo said:
So, TBH, this comment is rubbish.
Have some respec :rasp:
EVO mag said:
So, TBH, this comment is rubbish.
Have some respec :rasp:
ValverInBits
The combimation of cornering ability and accelleration can be tested using the age old method of racing cars around a track.
quicker lap time = quicker car
Williams makes a quicker lap time.
no it just means journos will print any old cobblers, why not cut and paste page three of the sun it might even be more relevant.
on track a 182/172 race car will pee on a Williams race car fact, and the lap times will prove it as a documented fact not journalistic hog wash.
here this is a V6 race car, this is how it all started and for the record it would pee all over a williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQNvqECoOfE
on track a 182/172 race car will pee on a Williams race car fact, and the lap times will prove it as a documented fact not journalistic hog wash.
here this is a V6 race car, this is how it all started and for the record it would pee all over a williams.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQNvqECoOfE
ValverInBits
don't get me wrong, I like V6s, I really do, and given the chance I would consider ownership.
But you are suggesting that the finished product is a more focused drivers car than a williams.
The V6 is commonly known for it's instability and dangerous tail end. Renault had to spend so much time trying to make the 255 less dangerous than the original.
V6 owners consistently move onto other vehicles and remark just how difficult it was to drive a V6 properly.
I'm not prepared to swallow everything journalists say without my pinch of sodium chloride, but I am prepared to accept the general concensus from the motoring press and drivers reports.
FFS, the 255 weighs in at 1400kg!
But you are suggesting that the finished product is a more focused drivers car than a williams.
The V6 is commonly known for it's instability and dangerous tail end. Renault had to spend so much time trying to make the 255 less dangerous than the original.
V6 owners consistently move onto other vehicles and remark just how difficult it was to drive a V6 properly.
I'm not prepared to swallow everything journalists say without my pinch of sodium chloride, but I am prepared to accept the general concensus from the motoring press and drivers reports.
FFS, the 255 weighs in at 1400kg!
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1400 dead actually.
ValverInBits
My all time favourite car. The 205 T16. Awesome.The 205 won the WRC back in '85 and '86. The Williams never did...
ValverInBits
apologies.
Tiff's sideways driving
i am not, repeat not for the umpteenth time praising the V6,, i dont really care what you or anyone else thinks of it,, i said the williams is average it is, i said its slower than the V6 it is.
but if i had the two sets of keys in front of me for a sundays blat i would choose the V6 as it is a much more rewarding drive because of its edgyness,, but more so for the torque and way it delivers high speed with little effort.
but if i had the two sets of keys in front of me for a sundays blat i would choose the V6 as it is a much more rewarding drive because of its edgyness,, but more so for the torque and way it delivers high speed with little effort.
the V6 always takes a panning, but unlike the other Vee owners i will not hide in a corner and listen to this crap.
thejesus was the first to bring the V6 into the argument with his usual brand of back biting and sniping, just because i gave my honest opinion that i thought the williams is average.
and i think i have proved my point its won nowt and its done nowt and thats the facts.
thejesus was the first to bring the V6 into the argument with his usual brand of back biting and sniping, just because i gave my honest opinion that i thought the williams is average.
and i think i have proved my point its won nowt and its done nowt and thats the facts.
Rb182cup+s2 rallye
tbh id like to know what state these williams where in when the people who say there average (lmfao at average) drove them.
ive driven 3 one was mine it was on 36k full service history and was totally standard another one was a mates on 94k with exhaust and air filter and another was another mates a compleate shed 100k+ and not looked after
if i drove the shed first i would never of considerd buying the williams i had and would of slated it even more than what has been said so far in this thread it was terrible even with new suspension ect it was garbage. mine was a totally different story it was such a nice car to drive ive driven better cars in the past evos imprezas ect and the williams was alot better it was fun and a simple car witch is what people love about it.
maybe steVee 6 drove a bad one? i dont know but calling the williams average is just well off IMO witch of course is what this thread is mainly based on.
ive driven 3 one was mine it was on 36k full service history and was totally standard another one was a mates on 94k with exhaust and air filter and another was another mates a compleate shed 100k+ and not looked after
if i drove the shed first i would never of considerd buying the williams i had and would of slated it even more than what has been said so far in this thread it was terrible even with new suspension ect it was garbage. mine was a totally different story it was such a nice car to drive ive driven better cars in the past evos imprezas ect and the williams was alot better it was fun and a simple car witch is what people love about it.
maybe steVee 6 drove a bad one? i dont know but calling the williams average is just well off IMO witch of course is what this thread is mainly based on.
Rb182cup+s2 rallye
does a car have to win titles to become a great car? i wouldnt go looking for a new car based on what titles its won. if the clio won f**k all or everything it raced in its one of the best hot hatches ever. simple as that ive drove all the clio range bar the v6 and the williams is better than the lot, might not be the fastest but its the best drivers car out the lot.
but that still does not make it better than average in the scheme of things does it, it just makes it sound like a little fish in a small pool.
i maintain if you are prepared to look around at cars of its era there are far better drivers cars than a williams, its just average.
i have driven most clios hell i was driving bayliss track beast a few weeks ago, and of them all i would always choose the V6 without a second thought its a much better drive and far more rewarding.
i maintain if you are prepared to look around at cars of its era there are far better drivers cars than a williams, its just average.
i have driven most clios hell i was driving bayliss track beast a few weeks ago, and of them all i would always choose the V6 without a second thought its a much better drive and far more rewarding.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
To say all FWD cars are average is a very BOLD statement to make and just so untrue LOL
There is always going to be a better drivers car than pretty much every car made, so I fail to what point you are trying to make?
well to say its so great because you think its the best clio is not a great claim to fame is it, ie its just a small pool.
you have to look a little farther a field and when you do it just looks average, nothing special not bad not great just average.
of the same era cossies and E30 M3s were winning major races, they were truly good cars and a joy to drive the williams clearly isnt therefore its just average.
come on talk sense its a nice little car and thats all it is fact.
you have to look a little farther a field and when you do it just looks average, nothing special not bad not great just average.
of the same era cossies and E30 M3s were winning major races, they were truly good cars and a joy to drive the williams clearly isnt therefore its just average.
come on talk sense its a nice little car and thats all it is fact.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
The problem is a car does not have to have great racing pedigree to be a truly good car as it were.
Most racing equivalents are substantially different to there road going counter parts anyhow.
Most racing equivalents are substantially different to there road going counter parts anyhow.
Vee dub
PMSL @ that..... The Williams legendary, the V6 isn't - this is FACT.
slow is pisch...
Vee dub
I think there's alot to get excited about... it's a classic little car that is simply an awesome experience to drive.
iirc the V6 isn't that quick either?
I have listened to your reasons, your reasons are flawed. For a car in its class it is far from oridnary/average. Point in the direction of a car of its era and in its class then I will think you have a point. Unfortunately you seem to want to compare it to the M3 and Cossie which never have been and never will be in the same class as the clio.
how,, its done nowt its won nowt, the legend is all in your head and is not backed up with fact, that cars a piece of crap.
Vee dub
You've just about displayed the extent of your knowledge on the subject there.... sums it up nicely!
lol @ the 'i drive a 3.0 clio therefore it's the greatest ever made' attitude....
There are loads of V6 owners on here that will accept that the williams is an awesome clio.
I've driven both and I'd have the williams all day for a weekend drive!
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
Its a modern classic because it was one of the best in class at the time and set new standards in that class.
It takes more than just winning races to make a great ROAD car.
Vee dub
where did i say that, is this the point were reason goes out of the window and the keyboard warriors shout loudest.
its not about the V6 never was thejesus brought the V6 into the argument trying to be snide as ever.
all i said and you can quote me on this is, the williams is very average and thats my honest opinion.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
You seem to mis-understand what is meant by 'class' when used that context so let me rephrase.
Compare the Williams to another hot-hatch/super-mini of the era that is more special/better than average, and people may think that you have a reason to say that the Williams is average
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