Coilover Advice..

[Andy_J]

Hi i have a 99 1.6 16v Clio..
Not sure if i have 58mm spacing on ma front struts or not, can anyone confirm?

Looking at buying suspension in the next week as one of ma struts is kaput and keeps bottoming out..

Also maybe going on the track in april s just gonna get coilys. Whats the best to get? I quite like the sounds of the FK coilovers. come all in wi camber correction bolts for under £550

Anything better for that kinda cash?

 

[edde]

Ye 58mm hubs.
Fk's are the best all round.
No ned for camber bolts as the stock Fk's have some adjustament in them.

 

[Andy_J]

mint, so good enough for fast road and occasional track?

What should i set them at, running 15-195-45's.. i was thinking 50/60.. or will that be too low?

 

[edde]

mint, so good enough for fast road and occasional track?

What should i set them at, running 15-195-45's.. i was thinking 50/60.. or will that be too low?

Yep fine for track use the stock setup can be used on track just rolls a lot.

I use 195/50/15 as there a common cheap size.

 

[Andy_J]

cheers m8..

I'm loocking for cams too, anywhere u know in scotland? and what are the best for the k4m..?

 

[edde]

cheers m8..

I'm loocking for cams too, anywhere u know in scotland? and what are the best for the k4m..?

Best contarct BenR on her eor Yozzasport (links at the top of most of the forums). However its not cost effective realy you cna get 172 suspension brakes gearbox engine all you need for make a 172 powered car for £1.5k+vat from MATT BLACK on here ok so you've got to fit it but its172 reliable HP.
Cams won't be cheap say £700 then £300 fitment might as well have the head ported to make the most so that £700 extra again then £350 for a remap thats £1750 for 125hp on the 1.4 and maybe 135hp on the 1.6 engines with appropriate exhaus and filter setup.

 

[theduck]

edde cams and remap alone should get you to 160bhp on the 1.6 16v. With the headwork i would imagine it would be even more.

As edde said though, I would speak to BenR abnout cams for the 1.6 16v. I am actually looking into selling my 1.6 8v to buy a 1.6 16v to do this kind of modding

 

[Andy_J]

I have thought about the 2.0 transplant but dunno if i can take my car off the road.

Would i be able to use the 1.6 16v loom or Ecu? cos if so it's pretty easy really eh.. Battery relocation and straight swap?

 

[Andy_J]

p.s. i have the same suspension set up as the 2.0 16v dont i? and same front brakes?

would only need rear axle, hubs, discs n callipers to go.

 

[theduck]

no you dont have the same suspension. and you would have to use the 2.0 ecu, and i think the loom aswell

 

[edde]

edde cams and remap alone should get you to 160bhp on the 1.6 16v. With the headwork i would imagine it would be even more.

I wouldn't think so at all that 2.0 levels look st what the 172 get with those mods % wise it would get a 172 to about 190hp (less than 25% more power) a 1.6 is 110. 25% more is 137 or so.

To do a 172 transplant the price includes all the bits you need you need the whole lot clocks, engine, gearbox, wiring looms suspension. You could use the stock 1.6 ECU to run a 2.0 as ironically there the same engines but you'd need o get it remapped to run the 2.0 engine (£350) then you'd need to use the 172 box and other bits so the effort of making a custom mating up loom and hoping it works isn't worth the effort of sticking all the 172 bits in.

You don't have a 172 suspension or brakes setup your setup is sjust like any other none RS Clio 1.2 1.4 1.6 etc realy.

Brakes on the Mk2 1 1.6 16V and all Mk2 none RS are the same. The rest of the none RS model have another size of idential brakes.

You don't need a 172 rear axle and the rear disk are better left forgotten about realy IMo as there more haslte than there worth.

 

[Andy_J]

u know your clio's eh! or u just spraffing bs.

 

[theduck]

i see what your saying about the gains, but remember the 2.0 172 engine is already in a tned state, the 1.6 isnt, and is the base engine for the super1600 cars. My figures are based on things BenR has mentioned with regards to the 1.6 16v, as heavily modifying a 1.6 16v is something i am interested in i tend to pay attention when ever these are mentioned.

 

[theduck]

u know your clio's eh! or u just spraffing bs.

tbf edde does knwo his clios, but the modability of the 1.6 16v is something i am quite up on for the above reasons

 

[Fred@BTM]

i looked into the 1.6 route, but it would've cost thousands

 

[Englebert]

To get a road car to the Super 16000 spec would cost you an arm and a leg. You could buy a new car.

 

[EVOgone]

edde cams and remap alone should get you to 160bhp on the 1.6 16v. With the headwork i would imagine it would be even more.

:clown: lol

 

[Andy_J]

To be fair, i just wanna be able to hump 106 gti's! lol

 

[Lagerlout]

cams and a remap to see 160 bhp?? Out of a 1.6 16v? Are you drunk?

 

[Andy_J]

cams and a remap to see 160 bhp?? Out of a 1.6 16v? Are you drunk?

that was my thoughts... that would take inlet/outlet decent exhaust system and chip n remap and you'd still be short of 160.. maybe hit 150 if your lucky!!

 

[Lagerlout]

I'm pretty sure you'd need some internal stuff changing to stand up to high revs to make that power tbh. Could be wrong though.

There was a guy who came on here aaaaages ago with a 1.6 with a blueprinted engine, headwork,cams, inlet, zorst etc and he made 140 bhp iirc.....

 

[Andy_J]

i like the sounds of the 2.0 16v conversion but i shall wait untill i get a new car. then ma clio is getting stripped for track use only.

p.s. anyone know where i can get the FK coilovers next day delivery?

 

[ben_p]

2modifed.com. £440 iirc

 

[ben_p]

freee delivery too^^

 

[Andy_J]

cheers, already ordered them, 7 day delivery tho!
Ah well, job for next weekend then! wanted it done this week tho!

 

[edde]

Coilovers for your car won't fit a 172 so best leave it till you get a 2.0 transplant.

Don't forget that although the super 1600 get 220hp they also are pure rally engines they won't make usuable power very low down They have stronger forged bottom ends I think so they stay together at high rpm. The 220hp makes its power at 8.75k and max torque at 7.75k so not exactly low end.
Also rally engines may have budgets but there much higher for example there normal head work and there rally tunning ie 3 angle cut valves which make more power but the cost prohibits most heat porters from doing this on a car. Also 1600 cars run throttle bodies I think or least reworked manaifolds so there another few hp if you just take the rpm down to 7k (what the stock engine will about reliabley take) then assuming torque is the same you'd only get 180hp.

 

[Andy_J]

Coilovers for your car won't fit a 172 so best leave it till you get a 2.0 transplant.

Either or i can use the 1.6 hubs wi 172 brakes when transplant is done.. same length, diameter and splines on the driveshafts i believe!?

 

[edde]

Either or i can use the 1.6 hubs wi 172 brakes when transplant is done.. same length, diameter and splines on the driveshafts i believe!?

Yep but 172 hubs are apparently stronger also you'd need heavier spring rates and the valves could do with being changed so there no point.

 

[Andy_J]

Yep but 172 hubs are apparently stronger also you'd need heavier spring rates and the valves could do with being changed so there no point.

What valves!?

p.s. the 1.6 16v engine block is of the same size as the 2.0 16v... So What makes you think i would need different springs?

 

[edde]

What valves!?

p.s. the 1.6 16v engine block is of the same size as the 2.0 16v... So What makes you think i would need different springs?

The valves in the shock arn't the idea ones i don't think what with different engine sizes etc.
The block is different the 2.0 isn't just a bored 1.6 its a completly different engine.
The 2.0 engine is heavier not by much and by repositing the battery it shouldn't matter to much but higher springs rates would be needed.

 

[Andy_J]

Whats the best setup then? for 195/45/15
Was thinking something along the lines of 50 at the front and 60 at the back.. come summer i may go lower!?

 

[Andy_J]

FK's that is

 

[edde]

I use 195/50/15 as there cheap there no change that I can realy tell from 185/55/15's.

Setup well I'd run a bit of toe in and a relitivly huge amount of negative front camber (maybe -2 degrees) and have the front down to say 300mm arch to center of wheel (about 40~50mm drop front so the front suspension arm is straight and the back setup about 10mm higher.
However it depends if you are willing to run lower that better less weight transfere etc.
However I sue my car on track so -2 for most [people would be a stupidly excessive amount -1 degress is the most normal people would run.