cooper s works vs 182/172

[matty w]

Has anyone had a play with a cooper s works i was having a bit of a disagreement with someone about this today?

 

[Max172cup]

Yup, when i had my cup, used to go up against my mates Cooper S works. Nothing in it from 0-80, or around corners, but after that speed the cooper s seems to hit a wall, used to gain on him all the time. Great cars, but almost 2x the price for what i paid for my 172 cup!

 

[matty w]

Quote: Originally posted by Max172cup on 06 August 2005

Yup, when i had my cup, used to go up against my mates Cooper S works. Nothing in it from 0-80, or around corners, but after that speed the cooper s seems to hit a wall, used to gain on him all the time. Great cars, but almost 2x the price for what i paid for my 172 cup!

This was what i was argueing about i said the 182 has more spec and cheaper you could spend a couple of grand on a 172/182 engine and still have a couple of grand to spare

 

[Richy123]

Problably not much in it. 210bhp but i think it weighs 100kg more.

The works in this months issue of test drive looks like a beast of a car. Plus 8 years free servicing for a few hundred quid you cant go wrong.

 

[matty w]

My mate works for bmw now and thinks bmw are the best things going,i think there overpriced overated and most of them not very quick,isnt the cooper s works about 20 grand

 

[182_blue]

the mini is very expensive, but it is a class above the clio imho

 

[Max172cup]

It should be for £22k for the Cooper S works my mate bought, and that wasnt even new!! had 800 miles on the clock, this was back in 2002 when they were hard to get hold of though.

 

[leeds_182]

I love going for a drive in my mums mini and its just a plain old cooper.

No rattles, smooth ride and quality interior make up for the lack of grunt.

 

[Max172cup]

Quote: Originally posted by leeds_182 on 06 August 2005
I love going for a drive in my mums mini and its just a plain old cooper.No rattles, smooth ride and quality interior make up for the lack of grunt.<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">


My mate has had more troubles with his S Works than i had with my cup, in the same period of time. Plus his has developed some nice rattles, plus the glove box keeps popping open over big bumps!

 

[Spammy]

On the track theyre very similar.

 

[182_blue]

anyone seen the 300bhp turbo mini cooper

 

[182_blue]

here, its 18k for the conversion though

http://www.bbrgti.com/minit.phphttp://www.bbrgti.com/minit.php

evo/ scooby eating performance there

http://www.bbrgti.com/images/BBRt1024.jpg

 

[Guy]

but youd look less gay just driving a evo, and having a spare 18k tucked in ya back pocket.

 

[182_blue]

aye, but would be funny to see the evo drivers face

 

[Chili Red]

18k!??? That plus 20+ for the Cooper S works, you might as well buy an FQ 340!

 

[TomS]

Quote: Originally posted by Metallic Black on 06 August 2005

18k!??? That plus 20+ for the Cooper S works, you might as well buy an FQ 340!



Yep, agreed

And driven one (sorry I like to add it to every mention i hear fo the evo)

 

[matty w]

You could buy a nice TVR cerbera for less than 20 grand i think i would rather drive a tvr round than a mini and still have the 17grand to spare

 

[makavelli]

my bro in law got a p reg cerbera for 18k and that had been tinkered wiv and was giving out bout 450bhp! i think i know wat id sooner av!

plus imo minis are just too cute to be taken serioiusly! round me area every third car is a cooper or cooper s and i rekon even the hardest bloke looks like a hairdresser when driving 1

 

[Richy123]

Front wheel drive against trick 4 wheel drive. I bet even that 300bhp mini will struggle to keep up with the latest lancer evolution.

 

[Clarkie172]

as said, id sooner have an evo..but minis are well made etc and would be a nice drive with no rattles etc!class above the clio but u have to bloody pay for it!

 

[D-CUP]

My S has more rattles than my CUP did.

 

[Turkish]

I used to work for a BMW main dealer, drove loads of minis all i can say on the subject is overpriced dogsh*t. No better built than a Renault. Standard spec is pathetic and all the toys cost a stupid amount. The interior is fisherprice and due to the weight they dont go very fast. Flat sport from 2k round to about 6.5k revs and the only thing i can say thats good about them is they handle fairly well. They also retain value because theres always some mug who will pay over the odds for them.

 

[StevieP]

I had a go against a Mini Cooper S that the guy said had 230bhp, it was pulling away but not by much, probably 1 or maybe 2 car lengths by 60mph, so for something with supposedly 60 more horses it didnt make me think wow..

 

[Big G]

I think the Mini build quality is hugely overrated, Ive had a seat in one when my mate considered buying one (it was second hand); definitely felt a hell of a lot more plastic and cheapy than my 182 does.

 

[fizzy_drink]

What annoys me is: People who know nothing about cars, automativally assume that somethings quicker if its more expensive...

I have a friend who goes : "my mates cooper s works will easily thrash your car round a track"..... he drives a diesel A6 - what does he know, lol!

I dont really know much about the Works, but Id love to try-one out.

 

[Turkish]

The works is about the same pace as a 182, the extra power makes up the fact the mini is so lardy. Sadly doesnt change the fact theyre sh*t and the SC whines like f**k.

 

[matty w]

Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 08 August 2005

The works is about the same pace as a 182, the extra power makes up the fact the mini is so lardy. Sadly doesnt change the fact theyre sh*t and the SC whines like f**k.

Well said Loony ever since my mates missus has worked at bmw she thinks shes a cut above the rest and she only works on the parts counter,I said id much rather keep my 172 the money i have spent on suspension & engine bits etc will be no where near the cost of one of those heaps

 

[Turkish]

Tell her from an ex partsman at a main BMW dealer shes talking sh*t, lol. Bet she doesnt even drive the things. I managed to wangle a drive in hell of alot of cars in the 6 years i was there.

 

[matty w]

Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 08 August 2005

Tell her from an ex partsman at a main BMW dealer shes talking sh*t, lol. Bet she doesnt even drive the things. I managed to wangle a drive in hell of alot of cars in the 6 years i was there.

I dont think she has been in a cooper s works,we was at a party on saturday and thats all i heard all night,and i said there no quicker than a 182 and she said i think your on about the cooper s and i said no im on about any of them and a 182 is 8-9 grand cheaper

[Edited by matty w on 08 August 2005 at 9:13am]

 

[blink172]

Why do these threads keep popping up? Can we have a 182 Vs next to the PC polishing section on the new forum?

I think a walliams would skin both of them

 

[Lee]

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 08 August 2005
Why do these threads keep popping up? Can we have a 182 Vs next to the PC polishing section on the new forum? I think a walliams would skin both of them


The fella off little Britain? David Walliams? Im a lady I tell you, a lady.

 

[blink172]

Lol, wIlliams is such a common name and makes the car sound welsh (wet and crap. No offence Tom)

But I am a lady, I do not have testiclés!

 

[Tom]

Welsh?

Ive killed many a MCS(w) on my exact replica of my area that i have constructed.

(but with no laws)

 

[Darren S]

I just think at the end of the day, the MCSW is far too over-priced for what it actually is. Youd have to be a proper badge-snob to pay full whack for one - but a badge-snob for what? A cast-off BMW parts bin?

I used to look in bemusement at people who had a Mini One. The more I see them, the more I appreciate why they bought that car (hopefully 2nd hand and after a bit depreciation). If they want the cutesy look and feel of a Mini, then fine. The Cooper S of the wifes was no match at all for my 182 when it arrived and I would hardly call the Mini a hot hatch. Performance and Mini, just dont gel, imo....

D.

 

[182_blue]

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 08 August 2005


Why do these threads keep popping up? Can we have a 182 Vs next to the PC polishing section on the new forum?

I think a walliams would skin both of them

along side the moaning b**ch section

 

[DAVE_RSi]

Quote: Originally posted by 182_blue on 08 August 2005

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 08 August 2005


Why do these threads keep popping up? Can we have a 182 Vs next to the PC polishing section on the new forum?

I think a walliams would skin both of them

along side the moaning b**ch section

At last a section just for me

 

[badinvincible]

A Head to Head forum?

Williams vs 182?

My dad and your dad?

A dolphin and a shark?

Superman and Batman?

Feel free to nominate so more grudge matches.

Back on topic - If I had 20k I wouldnt spend it on a MCSW, it would be on a CTR and a Jackson.

 

[EVOgone]

Williams are slow (campared with todyas offerings)..... thats why there are all modded so to keep up with the 172/182s......

Dont see any std Williams bods saying there cars faster than the true Cliosport cars...

 

[matty w]

New cars such as the 172/182 etc are more powerful but are a lot heavier and toys like aircon are all draining power,williams with 172 engine would be quicker than standard williams obviously.Its the same with golfs the mk4s & 5s are fat and heavy where as the mk1 was light and nimble,1.8 20vt in a mk1 and youve got yourself a weapon

 

[The Don]

i have owned a cooper s and a cup. most fun was the mcs. i could only imagine the mcsw would be even better. thought it was a different class but agree about the price. there again, when i sold it, i got nearly all of it back. i think the clios i have owned are a bit cheap inside but great cars overall.