Cup question

Ian_182 · May 10, 2004

Just been on autotrader and looking for deals on 182s etc etc,and cant help but notice a mass of cups for sale.Theres even two silver ones(90 in uk)there must be 4 pages of them altogether.

Anyone feel there may be some deflection to the dark side and these people might be buying a 182 or megane rs

Considering these cars are quite rare it makes strange veiwing to see them all there.Kinda like when animals know theres going to be an earthquake or something and they start barking and running off..lol

Just an observation ,not a wind up guys.

ian

Lee · May 10, 2004

Theres been a fair few Cups for sale on here too, or in hedge rows.

telford_mike · May 10, 2004

I think its more to do with the type of person who buys one. Theyre real petrolhead motoring enthusiasts - change their car every time the Next Big Thing comes out. So theres a lot of turnover. No problem there.

Brazo · May 10, 2004

Just part exd mine for the faster 182

telford_mike · May 10, 2004

^^^ see what I mean?

Lee · May 10, 2004

Its obviously not quite a collectors item yet then.

Im sure there are plenty of 172s being swapped for 182s also.

telford_mike · May 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Lee M on 10 May 2004

Im sure there are plenty of 172s being swapped for 182s also.

like I said - Petrolhead!

K_Cup · May 10, 2004

Yeah it seems a bit strange. But like you say I think that quite a lot of people are swapping them for the new big thing.

I know I wont be swapping my Cup for a long time!

llamalover · May 10, 2004

Theres still loads left with 0 milage being released through the dealers. I searched for the same, and found Renault Solihull has 3 Cups, all with under 10 miles on the clock.

Good time to buy one.

Lee · May 10, 2004

Renault Brum have a few too.

Dave · May 10, 2004

The used ones are flooding the market. Prices MUST be going down. I know Ill consider selling the 182 a few months before the next RS clio becomes available.

Ian_182 · May 10, 2004

From what i can see the cup isnt holding the residual it said it would.

I think it has too many variants and because the 182 is out now most people want the new thing which is as fast and has the goodies.IMO

ian

Neil82 · May 10, 2004

The 172 will be even worse then, same equipment but noticeably slower. Nothing "special" about it now as well, at least a Cups a Cup if you know what I mean.

Neil

Ian_182 · May 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Neil82cup on 10 May 2004

The 172 will be even worse then, same equipment but noticeably slower. Nothing "special" about it now as well, at least a Cups a Cup if you know what I mean.

Neil

I beg to differ but the cup is on its own because the 182 is only 10 bhp ahead of the 172 and they both have the goodies on board,which to joe public is what counts.

We are not all mad petrol sniffers.We do like gadgets.

ian

[Edited by ian 172 on 10 May 2004 at 9:29pm]

Ben H · May 10, 2004

I reckon the number of Cups for sale probably reflects the sort of punter who buys a brand new hot hatch. Theyre probably less likely to keep a car for a very long time and like to have a new car.

My grandad would only ever buy a new car, right until his last. He had about 30 in all (starting when he was about 40 years old!). Just imagine the amount of depreciation he endured!

Theres nowt wrong with liking the latest car. You do pay a lot for the privilege, but you do get to enjoy the car at its best. My Williams only has 60k on the clock, but itll never be as good as the day it left the showroom without me spending silly money.

Wezzie · May 10, 2004

At reg vardy i found there was only six cups in there possesion 1 was the limited silver edition thing but well ive got 1 of the 6 now and waiting for friday to pick it up. SOOOOOOO EXCITED!!!!

Neil82 · May 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by ian 172 on 10 May 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Neil82cup on 10 May 2004

The 172 will be even worse then, same equipment but noticeably slower. Nothing "special" about it now as well, at least a Cups a Cup if you know what I mean.

Neil

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I beg to differ but the cup is on its own because the 182 is only 10 bhp ahead of the 172 and they both have the goodies on board,which to joe public is what counts.

We are not all mad petrol sniffers.We do like gadgets.

ian

[Edited by ian 172 on 10 May 2004 at 9:29pm]

In a few years when ppl are looking for Clio RSs they will either look out for a Cup or a 182 imho. The 172 offers nothing different to a 182 apart from being slower, the Cup is something different and will appeal to another group of buyers. All imho of course.

Ian_182 · May 10, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Neil82cup on 10 May 2004

Quote: Originally posted by ian 172 on 10 May 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Neil82cup on 10 May 2004

The 172 will be even worse then, same equipment but noticeably slower. Nothing "special" about it now as well, at least a Cups a Cup if you know what I mean.

Neil

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I beg to differ but the cup is on its own because the 182 is only 10 bhp ahead of the 172 and they both have the goodies on board,which to joe public is what counts.

We are not all mad petrol sniffers.We do like gadgets.

ian

[Edited by ian 172 on 10 May 2004 at 9:29pm]

In a few years when ppl are looking for Clio RSs they will either look out for a Cup or a 182 imho. The 172 offers nothing different to a 182 apart from being slower, the Cup is something different and will appeal to another group of buyers. All imho of course.

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But only to a limited few who know what it is.What im saying is the two other models will appeal to a wider spectrum of buyers who may not know the history behind any of the cars but in todays age of gadgets look for the best deal.

but i do agree with what you say too in some respects.

ian

Neil82 · May 10, 2004

I can see where your coming from as well.

Brazo · May 11, 2004

Cant believe no one picked up on the fact that I was being sarcastic when I said I am swapping my cup for a 182!

Pete · May 11, 2004

YAWN! Anyone ever seen a standard cup vs standard 172?

Ian_182 · May 11, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Pete_172 on 11 May 2004

YAWN! Anyone ever seen a standard cup vs standard 172?

nothing in it really

ian

Essex_lads_bro · May 11, 2004

U have Pete, on the way to Karting in Braintree, remember?...

Geoff.

Pete · May 11, 2004

Err yours is not standard, and I had a passenger. DOH!

Have been against standard cups and nothing in it, much to the annoyance of the cup owner!

[Edited by Pete_172 on 11 May 2004 at 11:05am]

Hand bags at 20 paces?

Essex_lads_bro · May 11, 2004

Mine is standard...

Well apart from the springs lol, but they dont count in a straight line..

Brazo · May 11, 2004

So then 172 vs 182 nowt in it?

Why spend the extra or upgrade?

Tom · May 11, 2004

Exactly. why bother?

Lee · May 11, 2004

Because I can.

And Ive covered over 20k in the 172 and want a new car.

Tom · May 11, 2004

There you go.

End of really

CRS172 · May 11, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by DoddCup on 10 May 2004

At reg vardy i found there was only six cups in there possesion 1 was the limited silver edition thing but well ive got 1 of the 6 now and waiting for friday to pick it up. SOOOOOOO EXCITED!!!!

where abouts?

K_Cup · May 11, 2004

Did the same thing happen when they changed from a Mk 1 172 to a Mk 2 172.

Were there suddenly loads of Mk 1s for sale?

Wezzie · May 11, 2004

Dont Know where the cups were m8 sorry

llamalover · May 11, 2004

Isnt the point of the cup not that its gonna be hugely faster, but that its that bit more nimble with less weight??? And isnt the suspension setup different from a regular 172, again adding to the nimbleness?

And while im here, is the suspension setup on a 182 "cup" just the same as a 172 cup, but with the new Exalto tyres, and if so, can you fit the new tyres on a 172 cup?

Blimey. didn;t think id have so many questions when i started.

Cheers

Ian_182 · May 11, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by llamalover on 11 May 2004

Isnt the point of the cup not that its gonna be hugely faster, but that its that bit more nimble with less weight??? And isnt the suspension setup different from a regular 172, again adding to the nimbleness?

And while im here, is the suspension setup on a 182 "cup" just the same as a 172 cup, but with the new Exalto tyres, and if so, can you fit the new tyres on a 172 cup?

Blimey. didn;t think id have so many questions when i started.

Cheers

Yes and no.

The cup was designed as a special car for those who liked it raw,from a 172 point of view they made changes to the suspension and made the track a bit wider and made it lighter so as to knock 1/2 second to 60 and 1 sec to 100 as standard(before you lot start.)They made the glass thinner and removed the A.B.S,air con and a few other bits and excluded leather cos it was so heavy(not).On the bedford autodrome circuit it laps 2.0secs quicker than a 172 so yes its more nimble and its turn in will be sharper too because of an increased castor angle and wider track.

So that was the case plain and simple until the 182 surfaced,they gave it 10bhp more than the 172 but saved some weight and gave it back its thicker glass,improved the induction and moved the torque lower down to aid grunt.They fitted the cup pack which was an option and it has a slightly wider track again than the cup,the castor angle has moved a further 3 degrees,the springs and dampers are a tad more stiff than a cup and it sits 3mm lower and also has the exaltotyres which have a thicker side wall to aid handling.Acceleration wise the 182 has posted the fastest 0-60 time of all clios(V6 excluded)but the 0-100 is almost identical to cup.0-60 is reckoned because of 3mm lower stance and slightly wider tyres to aid traction on take off.

The rims on a cup/182 are the same width so exaltos shouldnt be a problem and i think a couple of peeps have done this already

Hope that helps,ian

llamalover · May 11, 2004

@ ian. Brilliant. Couldnt have asked for a better reply. Answered all my questions.

And this isnt even my thread!!! (sorry!!)

llamalover · May 11, 2004

Meanwhile, back on topic. Renault Solihull has 6 cups for sale on Autotrader today!!!!!

Ben j · May 11, 2004

Quote: Originally posted by Lee M on 10 May 2004

Its obviously not quite a collectors item yet then.

like they ever will be - lol

Ian_182 · May 11, 2004

I dont quite think they have the same nostalgia as a williams or nsx or 911

Great cars all the same and the fact that they wont be too expensive in the long run means more cars at sensible prices for joe public like me.

ian

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