Dash Cluster pinout. Help!

[McGherkin]

OK, so I've been using the following two pictures to try and wire up a 1*2 cluster, and it's not playing ball.

I have the dials sat in front of me with the dash loom connectors still in them, and it just doesn't seem to add up.

I've managed to get to this stage by connecting what in left to right order, pins 16 and 24.

However the handbrake and ABS lights are on which suggests that the positive is hooked up to pin 30, which suggests the pins are from right to left. But that would mean I've hooked the earth up to Pin 22.

Furthermore, pin 23, the vehicle speed, isn't there on the bottom row whether you go left-right or right-left.

Somebody help!

 

[McGherkin]

MicKPM

Also if I use Pin 24 (just to clarify, that's bottom row, 9 pins from the left, black wire) as earth, nothing does anything if I touch 12v to every track on the 15 pin connector. But if I connect Pin 16 (bottom row, far left, yellow wire) I get the above picture.

 

[MicKPM]

It will be because that is the wrong manual and most of what you're trying to achieve is controlled by CAN.

ABS for example will always be on unless it receives a packet telling it no to be (although so should the SRS iirc)

What manual and revision date are you working with?

 

[McGherkin]

I literally only have the above two images. Do you have some of the different variations? I think they're phase 1 dials.

 

[McGherkin]

Bumpdate.

I've been trying to work everything out from scratch from what I have. Here's what I've found so far;

Pinouts following reading order (left to right, top to bottom)

Connector 1 (single row, 15pin)
1. Handbrake (Orange)
2. ***EMPTY***
3. (Light Grey)
4. (Green)
5. (White)
6. (Purple)
7. ***EMPTY***
8. ***EMPTY***
9. ***EMPTY***
10. (Light Grey)
11. (Light Grey)
12. ***EMPTY***
13. (Orange)
14. (Light Purple)
15. ***EMPTY***

Connector 2 (double row, 30pin)
1. ***EMPTY***
2. Right Indicator (White)
3. Left Indicator (Light Purple)
4. (Red)
5. Immobiliser Light (Light Grey)
6. (Orange)
7. ***EMPTY***
8. (White)
9. High Beam Light (Green)
10. ***EMPTY***
11. Rear Fog (Red)
12. Front Fog (Brown)
13. ***EMPTY***
14. (White)
15. ***EMPTY***
16. ABS light/Handbrake/Power?!? (Yellow)
17. ***EMPTY***
18. (Light Purple)
19. ***EMPTY***
20. ***EMPTY***
21. (Orange)
22. (Sandy colour)
23. ***EMPTY***
24. Earth (Black)
25. ***EMPTY***
26. (Black)
27. Backlight Illumination (Light Blue)
28. (Brown)
29. ***EMPTY***
30. (Pink)

Does that match up with any of the 'other versions' of the pinout?

 

[MWright]

Here's the link I got from Jord unsure if it's still active

http://f0xy.net/_docs/172_Ph1_Instrument_Panel_to_Mk1_-_Wiring_Information.pdf

Should help you clarify any pins etc.

 

[McGherkin]

Dead link :dapprove:

Thanks for trying though!

 

[MWright]

I have it on my pc can send you a link later unless Jord himself links you
J¤rd

 

[McGherkin]

If you could that'd be awesome! Cheers.

 

[Bluebeard]

What are you trying to achieve gerk??

 

[McGherkin]

Top secret. (It's not going in the car!)

 

[McGherkin]

MWright any luck?

 

[MWright]

Had a little look through my computer just need a look through my laptop, swear I have it on my dropbox somewhere :/

 

[McGherkin]

Ooh err. Cheers!

 

[McGherkin]

@Jord

D'you have a copy fella?

 

[MWright]

I've looked to no avail , sorry bud.

 

[McGherkin]

MicKPM

Could you take a look at Post #5 and see if there's a revision of the manual that matches up with the pinout so far?

 

[MicKPM]

There are no actual pin-outs for a Ph1 172 clockset but it's a first generation Sagem panel so it's going to be more like the Scenic I Ph2 I'd guess. I'm pretty sure all the important warning lights are CAN frames though and with you being all cryptic about what it is you're trying to do I don't know how we can help.

 

[McGherkin]

Well the reason for it is to get the dials working with a computer interface for simracing. The circuit board in the photo feeds the gauges the appropriate signals.

So far as I can tell the only light fed by CAN signals rather than a direct feed is the ABS light. The dash computer info is also signal fed by the looks of it.

In short I'd like to know which pins the signal for each dial feeds through, and the + and - connections which also relate to those steppers.

 

[Goodj]

Nice plan.


Just steer clear of the cars with revs

 

[calvin17]

Hi, im doing the same thing and i have the same problem... DId you find pinout diagram?

 

[McGherkin]

Nope, never had anything more than the top images.

 

[calvin17]

I have make fuel indicator working but it was really slow and now i dont know how i have done that...

 

[MikeyMike]

Hi. I don't know if you can help me since it's been a while from the date this was posted BUT i would like to ask if you figured the rest of the schematic. Please post it here if you still have it. I got the same dashboard and want to use it for the same purpose =). Any help will be appreciated.

Bumpdate.

I've been trying to work everything out from scratch from what I have. Here's what I've found so far;



Does that match up with any of the 'other versions' of the pinout?

 

[McGherkin]

Nope, afraid not.

 

[djris2]

does anyone still have PDF on hand maybe?