Don't doubt the 182!

[incy-spider]

Had a good result on the weekend, a friend of mine has been building a H22 vtec to drop into his integra Type R http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...32735008.116921.187513377941076&type=1&ref=nf he had it tuned by one of the best tuners there is with dyno packs. His results were very strong over 180 whp and 149 ft lb of torque. This weekend we decided to see the difference in my Clio and his integra my Clio was mapped by Paul at RStuning with only 18k on the clock over a year ago with 169bhp flywheel and 153 ftlb of torque. Expecting the integra to chew me up and spit me out we were both very surprised to find that there is nothing in it. We did about 6 runs me infront and him infront it was like our cars were towing each other

So basically the moral of the story is, BHP results mean sod all and you may aswell screw up your graphs and use them as toilet paper!

 

[Bluebeard]

Is the integra a little heavier?

I really need to buy one of these. See what all of the fuss is about.

 

[jesus]

My standard 182 made 183bhp and 170ft/lb of torque on those same rollers. Strange.

 

[Joey_Essex]

Not supprised... plus your 182 has a bit more torque! you also have to consider BHP to wait ratio... in theroy if you break it down like that you prob have more BHP than he does per ton!

 

[incy-spider]

Think it's about 100k heavier than mine which I suppose is a fair bit. My mate was a bit gutted about it. But I can't see anything wrong with having a Honda that's producing that much torque way down the rev range. A Honda that doesn't need revving is fairly unheard of!! The tuner put his limiter at 7600rpm or something. Well impressed with both cars if I'm honest!

 

[mitch1503]

My standard 182 made 183bhp and 170ft/lb of torque on those same rollers. Strange.

my 172 cup with a cat back exhaust made 182bhp and 165ft/lb the same days so im with jesus on that... STRANGE

 

[Ray Gin]

Odd....my old integra was quicker than my current 182.

As for the weight, an integra is fairly light, considering its not exactly a small car.

 

[incy-spider]

Haha, as one of my mates just text me, high reading dyno.com!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Cant imagine why anyone would want to replace the awesome B18C5/6 engine with an antique H22 TBH

Looks a neat conversion though, you'd think it was factory if you werent familiar with the cars.

As you say im sure its more torquey now but the fun in an ITR is to rev the knackers off it IME!


Was just about to ask what has been done to the H22 to get it upto that sort of power, but sounds like its just a nonsense dyno reading then from the posts above!

 

[jesus]

How can the figures be so different? I bet mine and OP's Clios would be very similar in 'reality' despite the supposedly 14bhp difference.

 

[incy-spider]

Odd....my old integra was quicker than my current 182.

As for the weight, an integra is fairly light, considering its not exactly a small car.

That is what I would of thought with this one, a standard Dc2 would of been less to worry about but the fact it's a fairly high spec 2.2!

 

[incy-spider]

It's something that he has always wanted to do, it's a lovely conversion and the engine is capable of so much more, have seen ridiculous n/a and turbo figures with these. It's been sleeved, forged everything, massive inlet mods too. I think I'll be eating my words when he spends a bit more on it after a ring trip we have planned. Nürburgring tends to make your wallet hate you after!

It's definatly a very original car and that's exactly what he is aiming for, B18s K swaps have all been 'done' (although would of been cheaper in hindsight!!)

 

[Darren S]

My standard 182 made 183bhp and 170ft/lb of torque on those same rollers. Strange.

On a standard 182? Feck - that's impressive. Mine clocked 166bhp on there and the only one who got anywhere near the 182 figure was Da with his cammed and mapped 182.

D.

 

[Chip-mk1]

H22 is a great engine, I just dont think it suits the character of the ITR having owned both a Vtec Prelude with the H22 and a Teg with the B18.

 

[Chip-mk1]

On a standard 182? Feck - that's impressive. Mine clocked 166bhp on there and the only one who got anywhere near the 182 figure was Da with his cammed and mapped 182.

D.

That 170lbft figure is saying more about the dyno than the engine I would think, lol

 

[incy-spider]

I was under the impression that the dyno pack jobbys were really accurate compared to rollers. I'd like to think all under power Clios have just been on under reading rollers haha! Now wouldn't that be nice :S

 

[Brett]

I was under the impression that the dyno pack jobbys were really accurate compared to rollers. I'd like to think all under power Clios have just been on under reading rollers haha! Now wouldn't that be nice :S

To be honest the figure that the RR says doesn't make your car any faster or slower. If the same car goes on one RR and makes 160bhp and then 5 mins later another and makes 190bhp its still going to be the same pace on the road.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I was under the impression that the dyno pack jobbys were really accurate compared to rollers. I'd like to think all under power Clios have just been on under reading rollers haha! Now wouldn't that be nice :S

LOL!

 

[incy-spider]

To be honest the figure that the RR says doesn't make your car any faster or slower. If the same car goes on one RR and makes 160bhp and then 5 mins later another and makes 190bhp its still going to be the same pace on the road.

100% agree, good for mapping your motor in terms of drivability but numbers generally mean sod all!

 

[Chip-mk1]

100% agree, good for mapping your motor in terms of drivability but numbers generally mean sod all!

Indeed, only make sense as a comparison between the same or very similar rollers.

 

[Ray Gin]

That is what I would of thought with this one, a standard Dc2 would of been less to worry about but the fact it's a fairly high spec 2.2!

To be fair a 182 still isn't going to be Dc2 pace, standard vs standard, lol.

 

[incy-spider]

To be fair a 182 still isn't going to be Dc2 pace, standard vs standard, lol.

Dont doubt the 182!!

 

[Ray Gin]

Lol! I'm not, I do own one, lol. Don't doubt a Dc2 either :rasp:

Both awesome cars to be fair.

 

[Chip-mk1]

To be fair a 182 still isn't going to be Dc2 pace, standard vs standard, lol.

I dont think there is a lot in it, unless you introduce a bend or two especially in the damp, in which case the sophisticated double wishbone suspension on the ITR and its LSD as standard really start to show the 1*2 up on handling IME, although still not a massacre by any means.

Capable cars the 1*2 RS clios

 

[mr bognor]

Are you talking the H22A that in the ATR or the one in the normal Prelude as i can say the one in my old ATR was amazing .

H22 is a great engine, I just dont think it suits the character of the ITR having owned both a Vtec Prelude with the H22 and a Teg with the B18.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Are you talking the H22A that in the ATR or the one in the normal Prelude as i can say the one in my old ATR was amazing .

Yes fair point, was forgetting all about the ATR, much better engine, would expect that to walk all over a 1*2 once its in an ITR, if thats what this is and it doesnt, then there must be something wrong with it, 100kg extra isnt enough to cancel out that sort of engine difference.

 

[mr bognor]

The H22A is around 212 BHP and 160/170 LB/FT so in the ITR should be good

Yes fair point, was forgetting all about the ATR, much better engine, would expect that to walk all over a 1*2 once its in an ITR, if thats what this is and it doesnt, then there must be something wrong with it, 100kg extra isnt enough to cancel out that sort of engine difference.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yeah makes more sense now im not just thinking about the Prelude one.
I dont see how the hell it isnt a lot quicker than a 182 then if thats the engine in question, there must be something wrong!

 

[incy-spider]

It's the engine out of a prelude Si so I think it's the higher output one. He wants ATR cams though all the power it produces is so low down, I think as soon as he can get the curve to carry on strong past 7600rpm it will be more of a weapon. We will be at the ring for a week on the 23rd of may and I think a load of guys off here are there on the 25th so

 

[incy-spider]

Oops!.... So may see some of you there?

 

[incy-spider]

Yeah makes more sense now im not just thinking about the Prelude one.
I dont see how the hell it isnt a lot quicker than a 182 then if thats the engine in question, there must be something wrong!

I was shocked to, I hope it's as powerfull as it was tuned because then it makes my Clio look really good!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Your clio wont just randomly be very fast, they vary but not that much, lol

 

[incy-spider]

I dont think there is a lot in it, unless you introduce a bend or two especially in the damp, in which case the sophisticated double wishbone suspension on the ITR and its LSD as standard really start to show the 1*2 up on handling IME, although still not a massacre by any means.

Capable cars the 1*2 RS clios

Alot less effort to hold the Honda through a bend but it's fun keeping with him through the bends!

 

[incy-spider]

God knows chip!?

 

[incy-spider]

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff516/incy-spider/9bf935f8.mp4

 

[jesus]

On a standard 182? Feck - that's impressive. Mine clocked 166bhp on there and the only one who got anywhere near the 182 figure was Da with his cammed and mapped 182.

D.

Yup! All I had is a ph1 airbox and decatted Yozza. Standard engine. I had Fred have a look if it was cammed when he ripped it apart, it's not! Just an animal :approve: