RenaultSport clio 172 mk2
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Evo road test-197 vs trophy
- Thread starter Gareth Rallye
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Nissan 350Z
It is the end of the story, as far as I'm concerned.
We dont have any choice in the matter. If we dont like it, then its tough shite, because its here to stay. That doesnt mean to say that I will get to like it, or that anyone who presently likes the 182 will come to like this. I think some will. I think it will probably sell fairly well. It will probably become known to be class leading like ours was / is....
The fact remains though, its big, its heavy, its more grown up, and its ugly. This is what the hot hatch has grown into. If you dont like that fact (and I am the first to admit that I am one such person) then its time to either keep the car you are happy with, or move onto proper sports cars.
If I want something better built and more refined, fast, and good handling, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'll buy a beemer second hand, 3 year old 330 Ci is around the same price, and is better all round than the 197.
We dont have any choice in the matter. If we dont like it, then its tough shite, because its here to stay. That doesnt mean to say that I will get to like it, or that anyone who presently likes the 182 will come to like this. I think some will. I think it will probably sell fairly well. It will probably become known to be class leading like ours was / is....
The fact remains though, its big, its heavy, its more grown up, and its ugly. This is what the hot hatch has grown into. If you dont like that fact (and I am the first to admit that I am one such person) then its time to either keep the car you are happy with, or move onto proper sports cars.
If I want something better built and more refined, fast, and good handling, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I'll buy a beemer second hand, 3 year old 330 Ci is around the same price, and is better all round than the 197.
RenaultSport clio 172 mk2
pbirkett said:
Yet you bought a 1*2 and are saying the same things now about the 197 that Williams / 16v and 5 turbo owners have been saying about the 1*2 for years.
More refined, heavier, less steering feel, less fun, but more power, which happens to be more peaky, this making a less driveable engine.
I sense a certain irony, but i fear it will be lost on most cliosporters. Ahh, gotta love those blinkered single make forums.
RenaultSport clio 172 mk2
No Clio 172 mk1 at the shoot then?
RenaultSport clio 172 mk2
Is the guy that owns it very good looking?
RenaultSport clio 172 mk2
I dont trust people who like french cars with gold wheels. This guy sounds about as popular as wasp at a picnic.
Renault 182
Like Ive said previous their are plenty of cars which should of been their but werent, for example the the original mini cooper, 106 gti, 172 cup the list is endless, so theirs no point in going on... I think this should of been their etc etc.
They had 15 places to fill and they tried to choose a wide base of manufactures, which I personally think they did a good job of...all cars were different in their own way
Plus evo have to cater for a wider audience than just renault fans...wouldnt of been a good read if the whole test consisited of a clio williams, 172cup, 182 cup, 182 trophy, 197 which I think you will see reflected in the results.
In relation to the 197 it is a perfectly good car, but when your comparing it to the trophy...I just think renault hit the nail on the head and its a bridge to far for any of its competitiors. It was a hard act to follow from the trophy.
They had 15 places to fill and they tried to choose a wide base of manufactures, which I personally think they did a good job of...all cars were different in their own way
Plus evo have to cater for a wider audience than just renault fans...wouldnt of been a good read if the whole test consisited of a clio williams, 172cup, 182 cup, 182 trophy, 197 which I think you will see reflected in the results.
In relation to the 197 it is a perfectly good car, but when your comparing it to the trophy...I just think renault hit the nail on the head and its a bridge to far for any of its competitiors. It was a hard act to follow from the trophy.
The Jinx
PMSL @ all the clowns declaring whichever clio variant has it in the bag. Wait and see shall we?
106 GTi
Gareth Rallye said:
Evo wanted a 106 GTi but the one being supplied dropped out at the last minute, I had a phone call on the morning of the shoot asking if I knew of anyone with a bog standard one that could get to Bedford for that afternoon!
As for the 172 Cup no point as we know the Trophy is the pinnacle of the Mk2 Sport range so no point!
Iain C
ClioSport Club Member
^^^exactly...
Down to the tropht and itr id say
Down to the tropht and itr id say
Black Gold 182 (Cup Pack)
Lotus Elan, is v.good for it's time, not sure about now though
Hi Dudes,
Don't get upset about progress.. The RS197 is hot and real hot to boot - if Porsche was to build a hot-hatch - it would be the 197, not the 182...
The 182 is too small and ugly (got a side profile that only a mother could love)...
Bring on my 197 - the future is here...
Don't get upset about progress.. The RS197 is hot and real hot to boot - if Porsche was to build a hot-hatch - it would be the 197, not the 182...
The 182 is too small and ugly (got a side profile that only a mother could love)...
Bring on my 197 - the future is here...
D
dick
RSCLIO197 said:
no way, a mk2 clio is a nice smiley, bubbly car.
come back when you can fit your car under a 10foot bridge.
RSCLIO197 said:
I certainly don't think the 182 is the most beautiful car, but as hot hatches go, it's not too shabby, I think the V6 is one of the best looking hatchback derivatives ever, as for the 197, it's looks a little on the large side, because it is. Progress is nearly always good, doesn't mean that things always move on smoothly at every step though, and a lot of things get lost on the way. I think with the 197 we might well be witnessing the death of the hot hatch as we know it, sure in 10 years time, we'll all come to expect the safety of a HumVee in a shopping trolley, but in the pursuit of things such as 5 star NCAP and rear legroom, we lose other things such as the detailed feel and feedback and handling that a small, light car can provide. 1230kg is not a light car. A MKI Impreza turbo and a Focus RS weigh less and have significantly more power. But at least you're happy with the side of the car, learn the Starsky and Hutch method of sliding over the bonnet and you won't ever have to look at the back.
http://cliotrophy.co.uk/forum/files/img0715a_w_169.jpg
Only a mother?
106 GTi
RSCLIO197 said:
Thats the way Hot Hatches should be small and light , unlike the lardy 197 which has a side profile is a lot more nasty looking than the outgoing models shape ( maybe it will grow on everybody or stay love hate like the Megane ? ) None of the RenaultSport range have ever been that great looking. As for Clios - the Williams had a nice exterior, shame about the inside.
A red missile
RSCLIO197 said:
*coughcoughbullsheeetcoughcough*
The new Clio looks like a right dog, the 197 is what falls out the back of one.
You can stick the 197, i'll never part with the little red beast.
Laingo said:002 is the King of hot hatches
The Trophy is the pinnacle of the mk2 RenaultSport Clio's... why bother with 172/182/Cups etc?
lol...u obviously know nothing.
no.0002 is the exact same as any other williams 1.......except its lower miles, which can do as much harm as good.
there are examples out there that are more genuine, there are also examples out there that are a lot faster same can be said for suspension.
no.0002 is just an under driven, overvalued example of the ultimate hot hatch.
Laingo said:And you obviously wouldn't know sarcasm if it bit you on the arse..... or at least you might if you took your head out of it for a second
Does the 'King' and the '
unfortunately mate.......my pc cant determine between sarcasm and cluelessness.......
and its hard to notice sarcasm on a forum....unless its done well of course
Trophy 298/525 said:
Think you've just summed it up there, that's why I hate new cars, they're all oversized and overweight, it was only a matter of time before Renault followed suit. That's why I will never sell my Williams for a new hot hatch...
As for 0002, I think this is probably the best example to use 2live tbh, it's very difficult to find an unmodified Williams these days, especially in the condition of 0002. It's totally standard and Rob is pretty much obsessed with the maintenance and general condition of the car so it won't have been shabby
Gareth Rallye said:
Woah, so you own a rallye and a 182? Good choices... I used to own a S2 Rallye (blue) and they are a buzz to drive hence why i'm on the market for a cliocup (trophy is too expensive for the mo). And to be invited to Evo is quite something, i'm a wannabe journalist and can say that they have possibly the best writers...
3 wood
Lee said:
Maybe if you got some runs on your car evo might want to put it on the cover......twice:clown:
I dont hear the phone ringing for requests for Trophy 007. Maybe you should try sacking your agent.
Tommo2 said:
no 002 standard????
since when??
its had a kill power chip n decat fitted for years.unless its been remodified back to std since
theres plenty of williams 1s with all standard bits still on em (i have 1 of these), some with original paint still also (i have 2 of these)......but these actually see action on the tarmac....so will have the odd stonechip here n there...which tbh.....u expect from a 12 year old car unless its been painted
.....or stored.
E91 M Sport
Gareth Rallye said:
Please don't tell me they used a standard Puma :dead: That would be totally unfair considering the competition.
Mister Ego said:Maybe if you got some runs on your car evo might want to put it on the cover......twice:clown:
I dont hear the phone ringing for requests for Trophy 007. Maybe you should try sacking your agent.
think it's more the fact that the Williams is number 0002 and the first RHD one than anything else. it's the most well known Williams, but only due to the owner being a t**t, so it's not really famous, more infamous
as previously stated, if you see the car up close and open the bonnet it's quite clearly had paint on it, cobham magazine shoot I remember seeing it then, it's a low mile tidy car, but make no mistake, it's clearly been in a bump or two as it's had paint and it's by no means original... nor was it standard, last time it had a magnex exhaust iirc, certainly had a decat and it was chipped. careless owners, shame it's not got to a propper enthusiast who wont mod or crash it :clown:
