F7P tuning options

[ChrisR]

Toying with an idea of a project with a base engine of a 1.8 16v F7p.

Now what are my tuning options on this?

Off the top of my head (and not in order of how much they cost!)

Turbo conversion
TBs
Just cams and headwork
2.0 conversion
2.0 conversion + any of the above

Now if I was wanting to turbo it is the 1.8 better for this, or is the 2.0 always better whatever you wanted to do?

It's been a few years since I had one of these engines in a car, and even then it was nice and standard

 

[mark.k@GDI]

f7r conversion, with cams, ITB's and an ecu!

Mines gonna be along soon, should give you some ideas

 

[kully]

yep , looking at 220 odd bhp engine in a williams shell , lighter so more power per tonne

 

[ChrisR]

What kind of power would that be pushing out? I'm guessing that's not too cheap though

As for the f7r conversion what's the best thing to do nowadays, pickup a willy lump, or get a whole megane lump, or mix and match the megane and f7p?

Just something about having a silly amount of power and a turbo that's appealing to me, but that'll cost a lot more.

Apologies for all the questions, it's something I've wanted to do for ages and a car's come up that means I might be able to give it a go

yep , looking at 220 odd bhp engine in a williams shell , lighter so more power per tonne

It'd have to be going into a Clio to have a williams shell, it wouldn't be...

 

[kully]

iirc nick at hillpower was doing one similar , megane bottom i think . (220bhp)

 

[mark.k@GDI]

yeah not far off,

if your gonna go for itbs then the megane has a better head, you will also need the flywheel too unless you want to play around with trigger wheels etc. SO megane might be best, get an omex with a loom and your almost there. With a 2l, nice cams, some headwork and itbs you should see around 220-225. With more of a bottom end i.e pistons and rods prob around the 240! Turbos are cool but if its too powerful you cant drive it as your concentrating sooooo hard on keeping it in a straight line.

Wait for our one (it is mine but no dought andy will keep on taking people out in it and call it ours ) and see what you think. It will be ready around end of january and should be quite fun.

 

[ChrisR]

Sounds good, and expensive Maybe start off with a hybrid style conversion and work from there. The car has a bigger wheelbase than the Clio and possibly a bigge rengine bay, so not sure if that makes things easier or better

 

[mark.k@GDI]

Sounds good, and expensive

Yes and no! Around 4-5k for a build like mine! If you dont have that budget then a f7r with cams and remap will be plenty fast enough! We remaped one a few months back, standard with cams made just shy of 190bhp. that was stripped and that thing flew!

 

[TheJesus]

as Mark says, 2.0 it and go from there, but descide before hand if you want ITB's, as the Megane engine is better shaped on the port side for them, but a pain in the arse to use the full engine if you're not going to ITB's... in which case a Megane bottom end and Willy head is your best bet. Another bit of advice is if you get a 2.0 bottom end rebuild it asap, as some are absolute dogs.

 

[ChrisR]

Cheers, it's all food for thought!

 

[Matteh]

there is a school of thought that says if you're going to turbo a lump, use the 1.8 as its naturally revvy

what car you got then Chris? - ironic you getting a 1.8 engine as I get my 172 engine

 

[ChrisR]

Haven't got it yet, if I get it it'll be after Xmas, but it's just a pipe dream of something I've always wanted to do (it's not that exciting though)

I'm really swaying towards some boostage so would probably stick to a 1.8 for that, will have enough hassle with a turbo conv. so throwing a whole new engine in there will just make it worse/more expensive! Although the other option is chuck a 1.8t in lol, but that'll also be grief.

The 172 isn't going, this would be a little project on the side

 

[Andy GDI]

1800 vag lump is not easy....
turbo conversions, quite alot of parts needed....
s/c is also an option

 

[ChrisR]

Did think about s/c, but think you lose the power steering, which might not be too bad.

 

[Matteh]

I'm loosing powersteering putting a 172 lump in

mk1 is fairly light though, so you don't notice it too much

 

[Dan@SJM]

Put a 172 lump in chris, Im confident enough now to be able to have them done as a drive in-drive out conversion in 2 weeks!

 

[ChrisR]

I'm loosing powersteering putting a 172 lump in

mk1 is fairly light though, so you don't notice it too much

Yeah it probably wouldn't matter, but then it's not going to be a Clio

Put a 172 lump in chris, Im confident enough now to be able to have them done as a drive in-drive out conversion in 2 weeks!

You have pm...

 

[matty w]

iirc nick at hillpower was doing one similar , megane bottom i think . (220bhp)

where did you get that from?

 

[stan*]

yup ITBS on an F7R are the way!

I built one 2-3 weeks ago..headwork, 278* cams, forged pistons, made a real 220bhp and 183LBft. Absolute animal of a car to drive.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Why cant F4R's be so easy to tune lol

 

[stan*]

??

 

[Dan@SJM]

well, youve got a genuine 70bhp gain there, with an F4R, to get that sort of power(220bhp) you have to go with bodies and cams etc, yes its up 20bhp as standard...

 

[stan*]

they are rarely 20bhp up in standard form.

this has "bodies and cams etc"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCc6T6_wqUQ

 

[Dan@SJM]

did you map it mate? when are your rollers being put in? im wanting a map done for mine once its on bodies.

 

[Matteh]

ah the lords car!

wonder what an F4R would make with the same mods?

 

[Dan@SJM]

well from gdi's results 227bhp.

 

[Matteh]

has that been confirmed? i thought they gave each car a 'printout' and each happened to be bang on 227 or something?

 

[Dan@SJM]

yea, every car has made 227, i thought it was a bit suspisous IMO, but wait for the jesus to come in here lol

 

[2 live]

lol.^^^^


have u got an engine for yours now mark?? i know a guy is pretty pissed off with u round here for saying ud have his so hes turned down a lot of offers for it cos u havin it....no replies off you tho....think he would like tto know one way or the other rather than get messed about.


f7p turbo vs vag turbo....errrr no comparison really...vag would get my vote evry time. and the cost in the conversions wouldnt be far off either.


vag it mate.

 

[bill]

did you map it mate? when are your rollers being put in? im wanting a map done for mine once its on bodies.

is your car not up for sale now mate?

 

[Dan@SJM]

nope

I was mainly selling it to pay back the ex missus, but ive now been offered a job so dont need to sell the hybrid!

 

[bill]

aye, cool, thought you must have been nuts! what kind of power will that be running with throttle boddies?

 

[Dan@SJM]

I want 230. any more is a bonus

Whis is why its being mapped by Stan hopefully, and Ben will be supplying most of the parts.

 

[bill]

RESULT!

 

[bill]

while where on the subject of throttle boddies what ever happened to the kits which everyone one was going on about this time last year and where to be released in jan 2007? it was a nice cheap way of getting throttle boddies as far as i can remember? did it ever come off? i'll presume not?

 

[martynh]

The Angelworks kit? Dunno, all went quite.

 

[bill]

The Angelworks kit? Dunno, all went quite.

yeah could have been, cant rermember that far back now, so nothing ever came of it then, shame sounded good at the time!

 

[Matteh]

there is something in this months PPC about cheap TBs

 

[donsrno1]

The Angelworks kit? Dunno, all went quite.

yeah could have been, cant rermember that far back now, so nothing ever came of it then, shame sounded good at the time!

I think these are still ongoing tbh as I saw something in a thread the other day where somone had pictures of the set Ben had developed for the 1.6 clios, so hopefully they will appear at some point.

there is something in this months PPC about cheap TBs

Anymore details? who from and how much?

 

[TheJesus]

Why cant F4R's be so easy to tune lol

easy? that's got ITB's, cams, steel bottom end etc etc lol

F4R's make about 220ish without the bottom end

and FYI mine only made 217bhp on GDI's rollers, not 227 :rasp:

oh... if anyone does want some bodies, I'm selling my Jenvey kit (in for sale section)