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few problems just had my car itb'd
- Thread starter Nick r26r
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Daz.
ClioSport Club Member
Clio 200 RS EDC
yay!!
i'll tell you WTF is wrong with it and put it back to OE no bother
I'd love to know whats up with this car, its intrigued me no end!
You confuse me lol
i confuse myself some times
, got a pm of fred saying take it to him , must be dying to look at the car and see what the f00k is up with it
ITB'd MK1
mapping is wrong. nothing else. Should run perfect if you put stock inlet and ECU back on
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
How about getting it remaped by someone else?
dials still wont work properly though adey , selling car so want it all working spot on , plus i am not throwing anymore money at the car , just forked out £2100 for a 5bhp gain on it , and something that shhould of took a day took over 4months
ITB'd MK1
if you're realistic though Nick, it should be closer to a £3k job, so getting it finished within that would be no loss. Rev counter can be wired to run. Not sure without brainstorming a bit but i'm sure there's a way to run the important bits of the dash too (temp gauge mostly)
3k then , the car would only be worth 4k once the bodies were done and bits sprayed up on car which is gonna cost me nearly £500 , so would be selling the car for £500 when if i took them of and tidied it up so it was stock i could get at least £2500 for it , i havent got any more cash to blow on the car anymore :dapprove: m tech took my last £2100 ,
ITB'd MK1
yeah, all fair if you really dont want it anymore
what a sad story this!!!!! very unfortunate mate, I kind of know what you should feel.
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
From what I understand the ecu is canbus ready so why they didn't use that to control everything I do not know, any idea if the rad fan even works?
I've been reading this thread for ages now with interest. I'd love to know what's wrong with the car or if it's just down to the mapping.
I really do feel for you though, especially when it's got to the point where you're planning to get rid of the car over it.
Personally I'd say get it to one of the specialists on here and get them to look at it. It may cost you more money but you'll love it if it ends up working and making as much power as it should.
I really do feel for you though, especially when it's got to the point where you're planning to get rid of the car over it.
Personally I'd say get it to one of the specialists on here and get them to look at it. It may cost you more money but you'll love it if it ends up working and making as much power as it should.
my mate is going to put the standard loom back in and standard fly bi wire pedal , the throttle bodies are coming of the car within the next few days so all inlets and stuff will also be going back on , once i have fitted all those bits back on i am going to get it down powerstation so they can put it on there rollers to see what sort of power it gets , if it is still running crap i will be dropping it down to fred's for him to sort it for me !!!
Have you got any rollers fred ??? where is a good place to take it around glos?? what is a good set of rollers to put a car on then ?? i always thought powerstations rollers were quite accurate as standard cars seemed to get standard power !! mind you though adeyspec racing's old clio 172 with 428's , jenveys and omex 600 and few other bits got 213bhp on them ??
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
to be fair i used the rollers to get a figure for increase rather than the figure, i find if u use the same rollers everytime u change something you get a good idea of what sorta increases youve got. nick theres a place in chelt called mech repairs, ive been using them for many years, well since ive been driving act proper old school boys there, there based by where b&q used to be.
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
01242 243385
ITB'd MK1
powerstations figures are very inconsistent.
Mech-Repairs/Mech Motorsport would be a good bet Nick. They're in cheltenham. LOTS of clios done there so it's a good reference
Mech-Repairs/Mech Motorsport would be a good bet Nick. They're in cheltenham. LOTS of clios done there so it's a good reference
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
as much as there figures are slightly inflated ive never actually found them inconsistent, my car when finished allways ran 212 to 214
ITB'd MK1
inconsistent in the way they apply losses was what i was getting at really
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
oh rite get ya
Lol i tried to get my car RR'd once there.
was greeted by some old grumpy git "not open today"...f**k you then!!!
Rollers look like they are from the titanic aswell?
Jamie86
ClioSport Club Member
RS175,595,205gti,172
Guessing that was a while ago as the rollers are pretty new there..
Also used the old rollers as well.. and yeah the graphs were done by hand
Russ, paul has done my clio a couple of times now and my old Uno sound bloke! nice E30 he;s just got!
Yeah iv seen the E30, the graphs are good!
Nick, bear in mind mate your not 100% what the problem is yet, so you cant really say you wished it was left standard as you didnt realise there was a problem in the first place, i appreciate it must be frustrating, but i think even once its back to standard your still going to have an issue
Nick, bear in mind mate your not 100% what the problem is yet, so you cant really say you wished it was left standard as you didnt realise there was a problem in the first place, i appreciate it must be frustrating, but i think even once its back to standard your still going to have an issue
Adey.
ClioSport Club Member
are circuit motors outside combe? if so ive been there, good little place
Chaps,
Been maniclly busy
Anyway, the car gained 30bhp before the cam timing was setup.. so Danny, must be mapping? Hmm I think not.
Imo there is something wrong with cam timing, simple. It made 183bhp then the cam timing was changed and it lost 20bhp.
185bhp - SOMETHING CHANGES (ie cam timing) = 160bhp... Lets solve the equation here... oh looks like cam timing...
Also,the VVT made no difference AT ALL.... something is wrong there too...
Considering the calibre of cars we have in the workshop and the reputation and lengths we went to solve these issues??
Oh, the OEM selaed engine clio 172 that SiTech Racing mapped on our V4 made 173bhp, and went on to win its class at its first event, so that rules out the ECUs capablilities.... I wonder if that p[roffesional racing drivier said about the 1bhp gain, or the fact ther car was circa 155 when it arrived?
Im not going to defend myself etc as for a start theres a few people on here who knwo wwhat they are talking about, and like myself, are intriegued as to the low power. For the ones who cant explain MBT, AFR or ignition advance, you're right, its the mappng...
Been maniclly busy
Anyway, the car gained 30bhp before the cam timing was setup.. so Danny, must be mapping? Hmm I think not.
Imo there is something wrong with cam timing, simple. It made 183bhp then the cam timing was changed and it lost 20bhp.
185bhp - SOMETHING CHANGES (ie cam timing) = 160bhp... Lets solve the equation here... oh looks like cam timing...
Also,the VVT made no difference AT ALL.... something is wrong there too...
Considering the calibre of cars we have in the workshop and the reputation and lengths we went to solve these issues??
Oh, the OEM selaed engine clio 172 that SiTech Racing mapped on our V4 made 173bhp, and went on to win its class at its first event, so that rules out the ECUs capablilities.... I wonder if that p[roffesional racing drivier said about the 1bhp gain, or the fact ther car was circa 155 when it arrived?
Im not going to defend myself etc as for a start theres a few people on here who knwo wwhat they are talking about, and like myself, are intriegued as to the low power. For the ones who cant explain MBT, AFR or ignition advance, you're right, its the mappng...
Cam timing would struggle to lose 20bhp. 10bhp maybe but 20bhp it'd have to be massively out. Also 16 degrees of inlet cam timing advance added to the above will make some difference, even if that difference is bouncing valves off pistons because the timing is so far out!
Have you checked the VVT actuator is moving? Put 12V across it from a bench supply and it should move 4mm or so. If it does stick a noid light on the VVT actuator plug and make sure it illuminates at whatever point is set in the calibration.
Is this engine running crank for posistional only or have you fitted a cam sensor to run 720 sync? If so are you sure the injection timing is sensible? Are you running the injectors paired i.e. two injector drivers or individualy driven from an injector driver each? If so 99% of Renault engines are numbered backwards to conventional 4 pots with no1 at the gearbox end as such if the injectors have been wired as per a Ford 4 pot or similar with no1 at the front of the engine any injection timing strats will be out..... by a fair whack.
The F4R 7's are a simple little engine and running port throttles on one also means there's only one load sensor to bother with as well. It should be a nice easy job. We did AT Powers demo/toy car on Tuesday and it drove out that evening, that included fitting bodies, making a loom, calibrating the controller and having a beer at the end of it to celebrate the 29bhp gain.
Feel free to give me a call if you want some info. Workshop number is 01480 861902.
Have you checked the VVT actuator is moving? Put 12V across it from a bench supply and it should move 4mm or so. If it does stick a noid light on the VVT actuator plug and make sure it illuminates at whatever point is set in the calibration.
Is this engine running crank for posistional only or have you fitted a cam sensor to run 720 sync? If so are you sure the injection timing is sensible? Are you running the injectors paired i.e. two injector drivers or individualy driven from an injector driver each? If so 99% of Renault engines are numbered backwards to conventional 4 pots with no1 at the gearbox end as such if the injectors have been wired as per a Ford 4 pot or similar with no1 at the front of the engine any injection timing strats will be out..... by a fair whack.
The F4R 7's are a simple little engine and running port throttles on one also means there's only one load sensor to bother with as well. It should be a nice easy job. We did AT Powers demo/toy car on Tuesday and it drove out that evening, that included fitting bodies, making a loom, calibrating the controller and having a beer at the end of it to celebrate the 29bhp gain.
Feel free to give me a call if you want some info. Workshop number is 01480 861902.
ITB'd MK1
facts are.....
Cam timing was out by a long way originally
Then corrected
Car was dyno'd and the fueling altered, but the ignition timing not touched....erm, of course it was going to be down on power at this point, the ignition timing will have been massivly different to what's needed if the cams are THAT far out when it's mapped to start with
Cam timing was out by a long way originally
Then corrected
Car was dyno'd and the fueling altered, but the ignition timing not touched....erm, of course it was going to be down on power at this point, the ignition timing will have been massivly different to what's needed if the cams are THAT far out when it's mapped to start with
Icarus,
Cheers for the info, the car has now left us. We originally saw a 30bhp gain. The injectors are paired and also only running crank sync, simultaneuos (can run seq and alkternating if needed) , 90* injection. Tried playing with a few bitsd and bos to njo effect.
Matt
Cheers for the info, the car has now left us. We originally saw a 30bhp gain. The injectors are paired and also only running crank sync, simultaneuos (can run seq and alkternating if needed) , 90* injection. Tried playing with a few bitsd and bos to njo effect.
Matt
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