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Fiesta ST Crash at the Nurburgring (clio camera car)
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Its still there I think.
Sadly this is why filming is banned at the ring, because one day someone will film a very serious accident, and the anti ring people will be all over it. Bans there for a very valid reason. Also in a case like this, if the guy had died, and the police got hold of that video, it could of been proved that the following car was "racing" and he'd of been in serious trouble. First question the Politzei ask at an accident.
Sadly this is why filming is banned at the ring, because one day someone will film a very serious accident, and the anti ring people will be all over it. Bans there for a very valid reason. Also in a case like this, if the guy had died, and the police got hold of that video, it could of been proved that the following car was "racing" and he'd of been in serious trouble. First question the Politzei ask at an accident.
Integra Type-R DC2
Pretty valid reasons I guess. Id always assumed (being the nieve person I am) that it was just a case of serious kill joy-ness.
Yup, no different if you a cam in your car on the road, were doing silly mph with another car and they crashed, Its just evidence. Its a de restricted toll road, but in a case like that police can and will say excessive speed was a factor, and then regardless of no limit or not, you are accountable, just as you are on the autobahn etc.
helicopter, track closure etc etc. OUCH.
See loads at that corner as already said.
Hope hes ok
See loads at that corner as already said.
Hope hes ok
Just drive well within your limits, always being aware of your surroundings (esp bikes).
If you're sensible, it's no more dangerous than a UK trackday IMO.
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
nail on head
You can know the track inside out and still be forced to lift where you shouldn't, You can't always account for people changing line, accidents round blind corners etc, having said that he should of antisipated catching the biker. I imagine he knew the camera was on, and that leads to "on it" syndrome, Not wanting to spoil that lap for youtube.
Daniel
ClioSport Moderator
Whichever has fuel
Definately.
I personally think its a bad idea going out in a pair or a group of cars as it will always lead to competitiveness and then accidents!
Mikey C filmed me once, results below, and racing drivers excuse, In actuality I lifted mikey missed the part where we were on the grass a foot from the armco. I aint filmed since then, I learnt a valuble lesson, it was my 3rd or 4th lap. I've been filmed once, but by a mate in his Elise, and he didn't say he was filming, hence a normal lap. [video]http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c8/duchess1976/?action=view¤t=Weemansmoment.flv[/video]
200 FF Storm Grey
Same, too much risk if you're going to drive like you want to, or you potter around which makes it pointless going.
Cornering on the peak of a hill is never good, the cars weight is just non-existent.
Its not about leathering round, You can have just as much fun if not more, with 4 mates in a car, pootling and just looking at the scenery. Its about the experience, the cars, the people, the place. If you can't go there as a petrol head, pootle round and still have a great time, You aint a petrol head.
Its a risky place, I will be going less and less in the future, I'm going on friday, But i won't be doing laps, I'm just going to see my mates and have a quick beer.
Its a risky place, I will be going less and less in the future, I'm going on friday, But i won't be doing laps, I'm just going to see my mates and have a quick beer.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
I agree, but the Armco seems a lot closer from vids etc. And I can get insurance for a uk trackday. The potential for financial ruin seems epic at the ring.
Swift Sport
Agree with the previous comments, having been to the 'Ring I can see the appeal... It's much more about the experience than getting quick laps, we were going round at a decent pace without taking unnecessary risks. It's nothing like a trackday really as the change in risks influence your decisions while you're there, even someone like me would take it steady lol.
Silver 182
I keep looking at it again and again. Obviously the bike had impact on him.. was fairly close.. biker didn't like being over taken in the first place, so biker got him back, bike doesn't seem to be a fast one in the first place otherwise he would have left fiesta long time ago.
So fiesta was playing around with the bike trying to keep up and probably wasn't paying enough attention to the car and the track.
I just keep looking on the corner just before a crash.. cant seem why the back slid that bad? Guy in the clio only slid because he was braking hard and steering same time.. even then by the looks of the car and steering wheel such slid was soo minor. So why did fiestas back just went like that? Going tooo fast than the fiest can hold?
The lift-off oversteer normaly occurs if you got budget tyres + you going too fast for the car to handle (Oversteering cars have an associated instability mode, which occurs at and above the critical speed[1]. As this speed is approached, with the car on an approximately straight course, the steering becomes progressively more sensitive. At the critical speed the yaw velocity gain becomes infinite, that is, the car will turn violently in response to the slightest steering input or external disturbance (c) Wikipedia )
But fiesta aint no rear wheel drive to have a lot oversteer, unless its on a sh*t tyres
So fiesta was playing around with the bike trying to keep up and probably wasn't paying enough attention to the car and the track.
I just keep looking on the corner just before a crash.. cant seem why the back slid that bad? Guy in the clio only slid because he was braking hard and steering same time.. even then by the looks of the car and steering wheel such slid was soo minor. So why did fiestas back just went like that? Going tooo fast than the fiest can hold?
The lift-off oversteer normaly occurs if you got budget tyres + you going too fast for the car to handle (Oversteering cars have an associated instability mode, which occurs at and above the critical speed[1]. As this speed is approached, with the car on an approximately straight course, the steering becomes progressively more sensitive. At the critical speed the yaw velocity gain becomes infinite, that is, the car will turn violently in response to the slightest steering input or external disturbance (c) Wikipedia )
But fiesta aint no rear wheel drive to have a lot oversteer, unless its on a sh*t tyres
Do you have any idea about what you are talking about?
Biker is fater in that section because it is a f**k off straight bit with fast bends. Guy in the Fiesta is playing with him, he just has no idea what is going on track-wise, hence the massive lift off of the throttle, followed by massive lift-off oversteer.
It has f**k all to do with cheap tyres.
A good mate of mine crashed there at Easter - walked away, but then it was a properly built car.
My first trip out, first lap out as a passenger my friend said "this is where people crash & die" because if you get a leg on, it's a good 130mph location, and often the first "fast" point on the road that people have to brake.
My first trip out, first lap out as a passenger my friend said "this is where people crash & die" because if you get a leg on, it's a good 130mph location, and often the first "fast" point on the road that people have to brake.
Silver 182
I do know because i know the difference between the slicks and the budget crap that dont warm and melt enough on the track. How do i know, because i drive often enough dads exige s. If they dont "melt" they dont stick to the track. Even driving around my 182 i never ever had such a huge oversteer in such a fast bend as did that guy in the fiesta. wtf has he been doing.. redlined the motor all the way into the turn and lifted off all the way while turning? My point is having a decent tyres that stick to the road plain silly on a nice day makes a big difference.
Than again i never been to the ring, and it that case yes i don't know what i am on about, since i dont know that track
Not really sunshine, plenty of people have used budget tyres on track, the problem is they heat up too much!!! They get too hot and wear very badly as the tread blocks melt.
As for that corner, he did exactly that. Went in flat out, thought he was going too fast and backed off, simple.
I doubt the bike had much to do with it to be fair, he would have been planted into that corner regardless, he just wasn't expecting the bump to give such a huge reaction to his lift-off. Which he wouldn't have needed to do if he took the time to learn the circuit before going "hell for leather".
Silver 182
Sunshine.... ? No need for that my friend.
Dont know.. the only time i tried budget tyres on a track they didn't get warm enough, sliding all over the place, perhaps if i used them whole day than they would have melted away as you say.. Otherwise use 888s for lotus and potenzas for 182
anyway its pointless arguing with you as you should know alot more than me
i learnt something new about the ring, thats all i care about as i wanna go there
Silver 182
Is there no sort of euro insurance for the ring than?
ahaha quality, i would love to have that as a little sticker
