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Fitting aftermarket xenon kit?



  Mk2 172
I took the original h7 bulb out of the headlight but i cant put the new hid bulb in place as the original h7 bulb is held in with a silly little thin bracket which twists into the hole. anyone come across this?!?!?!?
most h7 bulbs are held in by thin springs but have never seen this bracket like mine before?
 
  Mk2 172
I took the original h7 bulb out of the headlight but i cant put the new hid bulb in place as the original h7 bulb is held in with a silly little thin bracket which twists into the hole. anyone come across this?!?!?!?
most h7 bulbs are held in by thin springs but have never seen this bracket like mine before?

anyone?
 
  BMW M135i
If these are HID xenon bulbs and your putting them into the normal halogen clusters you'll be blinding everyone coming the other way. I've seen it done before and the scattle is terrible as the reflectors are not designed to be used with HID bulbs and the wavelength of light they produce.
 
  Mk2 172
If these are HID xenon bulbs and your putting them into the normal halogen clusters you'll be blinding everyone coming the other way. I've seen it done before and the scattle is terrible as the reflectors are not designed to be used with HID bulbs and the wavelength of light they produce.

Thats intresting! thanx. glad ive not paid for them. might re consider then. anyone else found that?
 

Da

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Aftermarket HID conversions should fail an MOT or VOSA check as per the new guidelines that were brought out earlier this year.
 
E-Marked does not mean its roadworthy lol.

I can buy an E-Marked Race can for my bike, still an MOT fail lol. Mind you they do have the good grace to put 'not for road use' on them as well.
 

Da

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An interesting video.

Oh and why don't you need to worry about that, any road-going car can be pulled for a VOSA road side check? :S
 
  Mk2 172
An interesting video.

Oh and why don't you need to worry about that, any road-going car can be pulled for a VOSA road side check? :S


Im sorry are none of you reading what i put initially. im not asking wether they are legal. im askin about the metal bulb holder.!!!!!!!?????? is that too difficult to understand!
 

Da

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I can read perfectly fine thanks, I was merely offering advice as to the legalities of fitting such a kit... :rolleyes:

Maybe if you said why you didn't need them to be road legal (!) we wouldn't have bothered.
 
  Mk2 172
Aftermarket HID conversions should fail an MOT or VOSA check as per the new guidelines that were brought out earlier this year.

I spoke to the garage that i used to work for and they got in contact with the VOSA as they are an MOT certified garage and the HID aftermarket kits are LEGAL providing the beam stays the same etc etc. some cars pattern may change but in my instance it hasnt. ive fitted mine now and the pattern is fine. they checked it at the garage :)
Thanks
 
  Black 172 FF
You sure about that, the mot guys areound here say they will pass a MOT but are not road legal....

Fact sheet: Aftermarket HID headlamps
In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

The following is the legal rationale:

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).

For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:

1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.

2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).

3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.

In practice this means:

1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.

2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.

3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.

Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.

If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:

Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR

Telephone: 020 7944 2078
Fax: 020 7944 2196
Email: TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk
 
  Clio 1.4 16v
look basically.. i hate to break it to everyone but all the people on here dont exactly care about the law and road legality..

if he wants his HID's... let him have them.. he didnt ask for an opinion..

in answer to the first question... yes.. i have had this problem before.. you need to remove the headlight... 2 bolts on the top of the head lamp and one at the front behind the front bumper.. that is the only way to gain enough access and get enough leverage to do it..

a front bumper on a dynamique is only 4x torx screws 2x 10mm bolts and 2x plastic clips... could be different on a 172/182

there should be enough space to get the metal clips around the new halogen bulbs as long as the headlight is out...

hope that helps
 
  Clio 1.4 16v
sorry.. sounded wrong.. im saying that not everyone cares about the law and what is road legal on there car..

that being based on the fact that i have been though tons of pics of dynamiqes fitted with xenons in halogen lamps..

also.. to all the people that have a stripped car... ive heard that if your car is registered as a 5 seater.. you will only pass an mot if your rear seatbelts are in place.. doesnt matter bout the seats but you need the rear belts.. i know this from an mot garage because my own car has no rear belts... think of the amount of people on here that have stipped and caged there cars...
 
  Black 172 FF
Na seats can only be tested if they are fitted, if their not fitted they cant be tested so cant fail...

The same as if you fit aftermarket fog lights and take it to a MOT it will fail if a bulb is blown, even though the foglights are not part of the standard spec.

If your spare wheel is bald.. it would fail a mot being in the boot.. however if their is no spare wheel on the car it cant be tested and passes :)

My old rallye was striped of everything that wasnt useful, and it passed and the place that does it are well strict they failed my old mans because his indicator bulbs were to white...
 
  Clio 1.4 16v
hmmm.. i think i went to the wrong place then.. he said that even if the seats wernt there, the seatbelts still needed to be tested as it was registered as a 5 seater car on the logbook... to still make sure the belts are safe! oh well.. ill go somewhere else when it comes up to mot time lol
 


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