No the Fiesta ST is not a comparison for a 182 but I can see the confusion.
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No the Fiesta ST is not a comparison for a 182 but I can see the confusion.
How is it not? Both 2.0 16v hot hatches.
I would of said clio vs fiesta and megane vs focus?
Knuckles
ClioSport Admin
ST was a warm hatch.
Intended for a younger driver compared to the 182/172's.
Intended for a younger driver compared to the 182/172's.
Yep. 180bhp this time though.
Knuckles
ClioSport Admin
as standard, wasnt the fiesta st a 'restricted' warm hatch? 150bhp from 2.0l in a sporty car isnt very good is it?
id class standard fiesta sts as warm hatches
id class standard fiesta sts as warm hatches
ITB BG 182
Not really, compared by actual car size it could be. But performance wise, it dont work the same.
A friend of mine had a Fiesta ST and then mapped it because I kept beating him, then got a Focus ST and still I beat him then he got it mapped but still he could not pull away from me by much, now he has an Audi RS4 and f**king kills me...
Ive pushed a lad in a Focus ST that was modified by Pumasport to the point he nearly wrote himself and some one else off, this is when I back off. (bright orange with huge vinyl stickers down the side saying 'POWERED BY PUMASPORT'
An a few other ST's ive either pushed or beaten on a private track, its true what they say about it coming down to the driver.
imprezaworks
ClioSport Club Member
Mk5 Golf GTI :)
Not quite. The ST isn't a comparison to the R.S. range. Hence the Focus RS.
Indeed.
Mr Burns
ClioSport Club Member
Swift Sport
ST is rubbish R.S Meg isn't there you go just made a comparison based on my opinion
Any cars can be compared against each other if you want to.
You mean the ST wasn't built to better the Megane doesn't mean they cant be compared.
Insignia SRi
My Focus RS I just got rid of would have monstered a tuned 182 in a straight line but around a track I think I would have struggled to keep up with a sorted clio, so much so that I have sold the RS and now looking for another 182 because I want some fun back.
I'd say the Fiesta ST is in the hot hatch bracket and should be compared against the Clio, not that you can't compare the Clio to the Focus, Megane, Astra...
Yes, the Fiesta is aimed at younger drivers but it's still a performance hatch and just so happens to be at the bottom of the hot hatch category in terms of pace. And I'm 100% sure if you asked any ST driver, they'd say it was a hot hatch.
Gally, you trying to say the Focus ST isn't a hot hatch?
Yes, the Fiesta is aimed at younger drivers but it's still a performance hatch and just so happens to be at the bottom of the hot hatch category in terms of pace. And I'm 100% sure if you asked any ST driver, they'd say it was a hot hatch.
Gally, you trying to say the Focus ST isn't a hot hatch?
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
It wouldnt have, a MK1 FRS should r4pe a clio around a track tbh.
Nope, i'm trying to say you'd buy one for different reasons to the Megane/Vxr. You can directly compare the FRS to them if you wish.
Look at the new Focus ST, it's aimed at a different market. Ford have stated this on umpteen occasions yet people don't listen.
Look at the new Focus ST, it's aimed at a different market. Ford have stated this on umpteen occasions yet people don't listen.
Insignia SRi
Iv owned both the Fiesta ST and the Clio and at the time they were both out I would class them both as hot hatches the only difference being the ST was aimed more at the younger and daily driver end of the market and the clio was aimed more at the serious drivers car end of the market hence the Cup Packs etc.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Re: the ST, ill let global director of performance vehicles, Jost Capito tell you.
This is specifically about the forthcoming Fiests ST, but it was the same with the old model.
Whilst i might have a degree in marketing, you only need half a brain cell to understand what he is saying.
This is specifically about the forthcoming Fiests ST, but it was the same with the old model.
Whilst i might have a degree in marketing, you only need half a brain cell to understand what he is saying.
Insignia SRi
Exactly always been aimed at different ends of the market. Thats why they endorce Mountune as their offical tuner so if anybody wants it a bit more hardcore then send your ST to them.
Insignia SRi
Just remember that having and tuning a turbo'd car it sounds great in theory but be aware that means there is a whole lot more to go wrong under the bonnet. lol
Gaz85
ClioSport Club Member
330e, golf r, EP3 s4
Evo 5 RS
Definitely not raped Dave! In standard guise the Mk1 is really quite average.
Both cars are s**t anyway. Just so we're clear.
f**k cars in general actually.
Insignia SRi
Yeah trust me the Mk1 isnt the track weapon everybody thinks it is. I did say a sorted Clio not standard though, iv done a few and although on the straights my RS would fly by when it came to corners and you factor in a bit of turbo lag the clio can really hold its own.
Haha, who gives a flying fcuk who the Ford marketeers are aiming the ST at. It's the end user that will define where it's placed. They could be aiming it a the OAP market but if it is a good car, it will not be compared to Micras or Kias or whatever the OAP's drive these days. Who reads this crap anyway?
Mr Burns
ClioSport Club Member
Swift Sport
True.
I've come across both standard and modified Mk1 Focus RS's on track and there's nothing in it between a standard Focus and a Clio Sport, pretty much down to the driver on the day. A modified Focus on the other hand is a different story, potential monster!
Agreed.
It's a fact. If it was competing with the Clio it would have had much more BHP from the restricted 2.0 litre engine. Surely you can see that?
A Clio 200 can keep up with a MK2 FRS on a twisty road, it means jack s**t imo. A Clio 200 can keep up with a Lambo on a B road, it means nothing.
Mr Burns
ClioSport Club Member
Swift Sport
...Only if national speed limits are exceeded, which no-one does on here... Right?
Evo 5 RS
You're saying it as if it wasn't already.
Turbo 182 Alfa 159
lol it started out s**t anyway.
A statement of marketing intent doesn't mean anything. Surely you can see that or have you got your tadger so far up Ford's bottom that you can't see anything any more?
Yes, this has become boring and it doesn't have anything to do with the subject. The fact that the Fiesta ST is discussed so often just highlights the fact that it is in the same category and the few people on here that THINK they're right because they read all the bs that is issued from car marketing companies need to get a grip.
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