Hi-spec 4 pots

[Jekyll]

Im looking at a set of these for my 182 and was wandering if anybody has had any experience on these? Price wise is there good and also come in a range of colours. Do people rate them or slate them?

They will be going under speedline 2118s

http://www.ruderacing.co.uk/Perform...4mm_Billet_4_Radial_(1p-SV)/product_info.html

 

[Ash']

Never heard of these looks good, a great price too.

 

[Matt W]

There are a few members on here with them

 

[James105]

I can't comment on these particular ones, but Hi-Spec quality from what I have dealt with has been poor. I'v dealt with them for lotus's, and the ones I dealt with I sent back 3 times due to poor quality when I inspected them before fitting. Having said that, that was on rear callipers which had a hand brake mechanism which made things much more complex.

It does how ever look like a good kit put together there!

 

[Space Cadet]

For a similar price there are the Willwood caliper set-ups avalible and you could go for a larger disc diameter of 295mm (£699), have a look at Jamsport http://www.jam-sport.co.uk/

 

[Stava]

I have hi-spec's on my Rallye. Awesome brakes! Not had an issue with quality at all. Pads are cheap and there is a variety available. Discs are a little more than a 1*2, but nothing mental.

I would use them again, for sure.

 

[TheEvilGiraffe]

Based in Dartford, Mark. Go get them direct...

http://www.hispecbrake.co.uk/Clio Mk. 2 280mm Billet 4.html

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[Fletcher]

IIRC Ben had a set of these fitted to his 172.

 

[Clio_in_Motion_2008]

got the 300mm set-up on mine. they are excellent and had no problems with them so far..

 

[Cup_Phil]

I don't think 295 or 300mm setups would fit under 2118's

 

[Cup_Phil]

Anyone know what the "economy" hi-spec setup is?
Does that use the standard discs?

 

[Fletcher]

I don't think 295 or 300mm setups would fit under 2118's

My compbrake 4 pot kit runs 295mm discs and that fits under ET43 2118s without any probs.

Anyone know what the "economy" hi-spec setup is?


Does that use the standard discs?

Yeah, the same as the willwood kit.

 

[Jekyll]

Thanks for all the info guys.

I was originally looking at the wilwoods but these came up cheaper. I was unsure if the 295mm would fit under the 2118s.

Plus in red they'll look the nuts

Rob, I didn't know they was based there. The site I posted is only in Braintree (40mins from me) but might be better to go direct. This is looking to buy in a month or so, just doing my homework lol

 

[Space Cadet]

I have 295mm AP Racing Rotors, along with the Willwoods under my 15" 2118's and they fit - just!!

 

[Ali]

Driven a car with them on, imo they were better than my COMPBRAKES.

 

[Kelv]

Mark, I've had endless bad experiences with Geoff at Hi Spec, going back almost 15 years to te days he operated out of a double garage at the bottom of his garden.
He does have in principal some nice products, as he does have some great knowledge, but there are far to many niggles, miss fitting parts and poor back up customer service from him that always undoes his good efforts.

Now I only ever use him for fabricating custom bells and brackets to my own spec's and needs, and even then I do so thru a mates company so we have more clought and leaverge against him.
The beauty for you and me is he is local enough to go down there to collect parts in person, but his excuses of why things are constantly late is as bad as the bulls**t that Artur Scargill used to spout!

Telling me on a Monday that my new bells have been dropped for anodizing and will be ready for collection on Wednesday, so you go back in there on a Wednesday and he tells you he has been a bit busy and hasn't had chance to start making your bells yet is a bit of a stupid slip up with words from his point of view, and a clear cut line of bulls**t!!

If you do want to go for them, I can possibly help out with a little bit of business discount unless you already have an option for that.
If you are also dead set on going for the 4 pots, then give my mate Matt a shout up at Jamsport and see if he can help you out, gladly even say I've put you his direction.

Shame your not around this weekend or you could have tried mine, or failing that if you are around on Thursday then nip down to brands and try them then aswell

 

[Kelv]

And yes they will fit under your wheels, this was ours earlier in the year when we fitted the brakes.

 

[Cup_Phil]

Ooooh interesting news that 295's fit under my wheels - think that might be a well needed upgrade when the cars back on the road

 

[Jekyll]

Thanks for that kelvin

Like said wilwoods was my original choice and I would be ordering them from jamsport if did get them. It's defo good to see they for under 2218s on 295mm and from many reviews I know jamsport over great service.

I guess it was the red calipers that caught my eye but you can't have them all!

Totally gutted I can't make this weekend but once again many thanks for the kind offer mate

 

[Wick]

Good to see this is back on the cards mate Apologies for missing your message over the weekend, the depths of South Glos are a black hole in the 02 network apparently!!

 

[Jekyll]

No probs sam. It's all sorted now

Yes it's looking like mid next month, but just getting my homework done before I spend lol

 

[Kelv]

Mark, Jamsport get the calipers in from Rally Design, so if you were in no rush you could put the order in requesting the red calipers if you were prepared to wait a couple of days longer.
Gives the Jamsport guys chance to have them sent over for you.

 

[Jekyll]

That's good to know kelv. Just got to decide on what calipers to get now.

Has anybody got any pics of hi-spec calipers on there cars for me to view?

 

[Kelv]

Do you want me to put in a call in the morning and see if i can do anything on the Hi Spec price for you?

Atleast then you can consider the prices

(to add, they are only in Dartford )

 

[Jekyll]

By all means mate as with anything, the cost plays a big part.

Many people rate brembo hc's and ds2500, so on the basis of that, that would be my preferred choice, with red calipers.

 

[172Ben]

Had them on mine.

Waste of money, standard set us is more than enough.

 

[Kelv]

Each to there own Ben, I personally didn't have enough confidence in the standard setup which is why I went for the 4 pots.

IMO, everyone has a different way of driving and needs, if it suits and makes you as the individual feel more comfortable and confident then nobody has the right to say they are wrong.
If its within there budget then no harm.

For me, having 6 pots on the other cars and then using the clio had me wanting more.
And £650 for a decent setup is nothing compared to the £2500 the front brakes cost on the escort.

 

[172Ben]

standard calipers, with uprated discs, pads lines and fluids are more than enough.

Been mentioned time and time again, as its 99% correct. 4 pots look bling, but for everday driving and a few track days O/E calipers are more than sufficient.

waste of time

Good enough for me

OP - http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...d-4-pots-or-std-calipers/page2&highlight=pots

Have a read in there, some good info from Tony who uses his race car with standard calipers.

 

[mikekean]

I have Hi-spec R114-4 racing calipers on my car with 310x32mm 2 piece discs, the braking power is very impressive. But its complete overkill and really upsets the balance of the car, and wet weather driving is just well.. plain scary. Ive also found when you get them really hot i get a cracking/creaking noise when applying the brakes, ive yet to find out what is causing this.

My advice would to be buy some decent track pads, new discs and some decent brake fluid. This will be more than enough for fast road use and track days. Im even considering putting standard brakes back on my rally car to make it a bit more balanced.

 

[Cup_Phil]

4-pots are lighter - reduction in unsprung mass will really help handling
They use both sides of the discs - wear evenly - and last longer
They are more progressive allowing you to apply more braking force before locking the wheels up
4-pots dissipate heat better preventing you from cooking your brake fluid

I'm sorry - I understand the argument that "standard calipers are good enough for occasional track days" but there's no way that's the same as saying there are no benefits to go to 4pots
I've upped the car from 170ish bhp to near 200bhp, I will be running cut slicks and it will be used 90% for track days - there are massive advantages to 4 pots and the costs aren't really that high compared to other mods

The problem is most people will fit 4-pots and leave the standard rear bias valve in place making the braking really uneven - they should be accompanied by a proper bias valve and setup

 

[Nick172Cup]

Lol at unsprung mass, making handling much better. Better wear on disks? Think you find both side of my disks wore evenly enough on a standard caliper, think the info you've copy and pasted are having you on.

Have a day off...

 

[DannyR]

Ive had 330 and 230 BHP Clios, have done a fair lot more than the occasional trackday and standard calipers with DS2500 and Brembo HC have always been spot on. That's using standard lines too and just normal DOT 4.

Never boiled/faded etc...

Buy pads and discs 5 times before you get to the price of 4 Pots

 

[Cup_Phil]

Lol at unsprung mass, making handling much better. Better wear on disks? Think you find both side of my disks wore evenly enough on a standard caliper, think the info you've copy and pasted are having you on.

Have a day off...

Don't talk b****cks

There isn't a single clio in the world that wears discs evenly - they will ALWAYS wear the inside of the disc first because they are a single piston. They will always generate heat more on the inside as that's where the piston is exerting its force - this gives less surface area to dissipate heat so the caliper gets hotter and cooks fluid quicker.

32 years old and I'm having to get into another argument on ANOTHER forum about unsprung mass
In fact no i'm not - go read this! http://www.twotenths.com/data/2011/08/07/unsprung-mass-an-article-by-eric-albert/

It cracks me up that people will sell wheels and swap for alloys that are 0.5kg lighter each corner and say how much better the car handles - but as soon as you suggest someone swaps their heavy brake calipers and discs for some billet alloy calipers and 2 piece discs (which lost me more unsprung weight on my 106 than swapping from 16's to 15's) someone comes out the woodwork to tell you it's not worth it

Of course its worth it - getting your unsprung weight down to the lowest you can will increase the handling of the car much more than taking your back seats out!

A reduction in the weight of the rim/tire assembly of 5lbs x 4 (all around the car) is equivalent to a 200lb weight reduction in vehicle weight (thats worth 0.200 in the 1/4 mile)

 

[Stava]

LOL, who cares?

The fact is, the average trackday driver on here would benefit more from £500 on trackdays and tuition, than on some brakes that the car already has.

They are on my Rallye because the standard brakes are poo, and the 4 pots are a worthwhile upgrade. On the Clio, they are simply not.

 

[Nick172Cup]

Don't talk b****cks

There isn't a single clio in the world that wears discs evenly - they will ALWAYS wear the inside of the disc first because they are a single piston. They will always generate heat more on the inside as that's where the piston is exerting its force - this gives less surface area to dissipate heat so the caliper gets hotter and cooks fluid quicker.

32 years old and I'm having to get into another argument on ANOTHER forum about unsprung mass
In fact no i'm not - go read this! http://www.twotenths.com/data/2011/08/07/unsprung-mass-an-article-by-eric-albert/

It cracks me up that people will sell wheels and swap for alloys that are 0.5kg lighter each corner and say how much better the car handles - but as soon as you suggest someone swaps their heavy brake calipers and discs for some billet alloy calipers and 2 piece discs (which lost me more unsprung weight on my 106 than swapping from 16's to 15's) someone comes out the woodwork to tell you it's not worth it

Of course its worth it - getting your unsprung weight down to the lowest you can will increase the handling of the car much more than taking your back seats out!

That's an amazing bit of info, will make you that much more awesome on a trackday! Worth it for racing maybe, however for trackdays if you want to throw s**t loads of money away to look cool and still be overtaken by a better driver in a standard clio that crack on my friend. Lol

 

[mr.pink87]

Technically Phil is right.

But tuition seems to make you beat F1 cars in a 60bhp/ton shopping trolley.

 

[Nick172Cup]

Oh I know about unsprung mass etc, just makes me laugh when people come on this forum spouting it for their little clios that'll only see trackdays when it realistically won't make a single bloody difference as their not Vettel/Button etc etc.

Will look 'pretty' though! Lol

 

[Sir_Dave]

Hang on. Are we talking about buying 4 pots to reduce unsprung mass whilst using 2118's?

My 19" M3 wheels weigh less than they do lol.

Simply buy some RC5 pads & never experience brake fade ever again.

 

[one in a million]

haha this thread is causing a war lol, mark im glad you put your car first rather than your home, you legend! i had a sneaky feeling you wouldnt be able to go more than a week without doing something to your car. As for the brakes, i think willwoods all the way brother. dont skimp about between 200 quid difference, the more you pay the better it gets, considering everything you have done, you havent skimped out on the price, you went full on and its paid off because your car is ace.. An if they dont fit under your small rims, you can always hand them down to me it is christmas soon bare in mind.

 

[Joe R26]

Mark drives like a granny :butt:, people are getting to technical here. He's not getting 4 pots for weight or braking power its for looks lol. His cars never seen a track