I need Harness Mounting Help (pictures)

[Ben NBR Cup]

Hi all,
I have been looking through the forum and there's lots of questions about mounting harnesses but I haven't seen may with pictures how people have mounted them. I am currently looking at buying some 6 point schroth harnesses and wanted to see how people have mounted them. This is my cage

I will be running a passenger seat and the subframes are the VBD subframes. The shoulder straps I was going to go from the bar that goes from the rear suspension top mounts but am struggling to find the best place to have the lap belt and what not.
Just for ref these are the harnesses I am getting

Any help and pictures of what people have done would be great
Thank you very much
Ben

 

[JamesBryan]

Use the existing outside lap mounting point with an M10 eyebolt in and for the inside straps and crotch straps get some eyebolt plates welded to the floor.

 

[LeeRS]

£300 for a harness. Cluck me.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Use the existing outside lap mounting point with an M10 eyebolt in and for the inside straps and crotch straps get some eyebolt plates welded to the floor.

Thank you very much.
Now I have read about these any experience with them ?

 

[JamesBryan]

Thank you very much.
Now I have read about these any experience with them ?
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Never used them

 

[JamesBryan]

Not the same as the Clio, but my brother's Megane has these welded in for the crotch straps.

 

[Fletcher]

I use the Schroth B23A brackets in my 172 track car.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Not the same as the Clio, but my brother's Megane has these welded in for the crotch straps.

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I see and then you will have a eyelet that will then screw into them and the harness clips into that

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

I use the Schroth B23A brackets in my 172 track car.

Do you have any pictures of them fitted ? Also did you have to weld anything in for you to fit your harnesses ?

 

[Fletcher]

Do you have any pictures of them fitted ? Also did you have to weld anything in for you to fit your harnesses ?

I'll get a picture for you...I run 4 point harnesses so use the OEM seat belt rail for one side and a Schroth B23A for the other side (exhuast tunnel side)

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

I'll get a picture for you...I run 4 point harnesses so use the OEM seat belt rail for one side and a Schroth B23A for the other side (exhuast tunnel side)

Beautiful thank you very much. They look a good idea. The side with the B23A how have you fitted is it attached the the seat subframe where the bolt goes through the floor ?

 

[NorthloopCup]

http://www.cliosport.net/threads/mounting-harnesses-correctly.768754/

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

http://www.cliosport.net/threads/mounting-harnesses-correctly.768754/

Thank you
I had a quick read through this earlier it is a very handy. The only thing I wanted to see was how people had mounted them in the clios makes it easier for me to picture it haha

 

[Fletcher]

Beautiful thank you very much. They look a good idea. The side with the B23A how have you fitted is it attached the the seat subframe where the bolt goes through the floor ?

Yes mate, it's sat between the OMP subframe /metal spacer and floor.

Untitled by Fletcher Cox, on Flickr

 

[NorthloopCup]

If you have any questions

Thank you :smile:
I had a quick read through this earlier it is a very handy. The only thing I wanted to see was how people had mounted them in the clios makes it easier for me to picture it haha

I'll try and take some pics of mine for you as well mate.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Yes mate, it's sat between the OMP subframe /metal spacer and floor.

Untitled by Fletcher Cox, on Flickr

Thank you very much that's a big help

 

[Fletcher]

Thank you very much that's a big help :smile:

No probs mate.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

If you have any questions

I'll try and take some pics of mine for you as well mate.

If you could mate that would be amazing. Are you running a 6 point harness ?
For a 6 point harness will I have to weld eyelets under the seat or are there other options ?
Many thanks
Ben

 

[NorthloopCup]

If you could mate that would be amazing. Are you running a 6 point harness ?
For a 6 point harness will I have to weld eyelets under the seat or are there other options ?
Many thanks
Ben

Yes mate. I'm running the full on 6 point knacker wreckers! Lol!
You'll need some of the plates with the nut welded on them mate yeah. Can't remember wtf they're called! You're welcome to pop over if you want to take a look at how mine are.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Yes mate. I'm running the full on 6 point knacker wreckers! Lol!
You'll need some of the plates with the nut welded on them mate yeah. Can't remember wtf they're called! You're welcome to pop over if you want to take a look at how mine are.

Haha I can imagine there not the most comfortable things lol
Is it these I will need ?

Will these need welding to the car or can I get around welding them to the floor. Only reason I am worrying about welding them is I have just had the inside painted and it looks really nice lol
Thank you very much when I get some free time I will pop over if that's ok

 

[NorthloopCup]

Haha I can imagine there not the most comfortable things lol
Is it these I will need ?
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Will these need welding to the car or can I get around welding them to the floor. Only reason I am worrying about welding them is I have just had the inside painted and it looks really nice lol
Thank you very much when I get some free time I will pop over if that's ok :smile:

Yeah they'll do it mate. Just bond them on the underside with silicone sealant.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Yeah they'll do it mate. Just bond them on the underside with silicone sealant.

Perfect so I am guessing drill a hole through the floor silicone that plate underneath get an eyelet screw from in the inside of the car and that will clamp it down enough for it to be safe ? Or have I got that completely wrong lol
Will I need two for each seat or will I get away with one ?
Many thanks

 

[NorthloopCup]

Perfect so I am guessing drill a hole through the floor silicone that plate underneath get an eyelet screw from in the inside of the car and that will clamp it down enough for it to be safe ? Or have I got that completely wrong lol
Will I need two for each seat or will I get away with one ?
Many thanks :smile:

Yeah that's it mate. You'll need 4 of those spreader plates if your on a 6 point harness mate. Assuming you are doing the lap belts as well of course.

 

[NorthloopCup]

You'll need either eyelets or bolts depending on how you install them.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Yeah that's it mate. You'll need 4 of those spreader plates if your on a 6 point harness mate. Assuming you are doing the lap belts as well of course.

Perfect thank you so much
The fun will begin finding the best place to drill so it doesn't hit the subframe or seat. Would the best place for it be in the middle of the original seat frames bolted directly to the floor ?

 

[NorthloopCup]

Perfect thank you so much :smile:
The fun will begin finding the best place to drill so it doesn't hit the subframe or seat. Would the best place for it be in the middle of the original seat frames bolted directly to the floor ?

You need to measure it all out mate to get the mounting points in the right place

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

You need to measure it all out mate to get the mounting points in the right place

Yes that's cool I will do some more research on that link you gave me to find the best place to put it

 

[JamesBryan]

Just get them welded and then give it a quick spray again. It'll be under the seats anyway so you won't see it.

 

[eon172]

This is where I placed the spreader plates for my 6 point harnesses if it helps (messy wiring as it was mid battery relocation)....

 

[eon172]

...and underneath

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

This is where I placed the spreader plates for my 6 point harnesses if it helps (messy wiring as it was mid battery relocation)....

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Thanks mate that's a big help the two under the seat I am guessing are for the crouch strap ?
Do they need to be that far apart ?
Many thanks
Ben

 

[JamesBryan]

I'm guessing he's done that to avoid the chassis rail and pipes running underneath.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

I'm guessing he's done that to avoid the chassis rail and pipes running underneath.

Are they too far apart though or is that within the tolerance for a 6 point ?

 

[JamesBryan]

Are they too far apart though or is that within the tolerance for a 6 point ?

Not sure on the official spacing, the Schroth guide will say for definite.

But i personally wouldn't have them that far apart. Prefer the setup in the picture i posted earlier in the thread.

 

[eon172]

A bit of both if remember right. Followed the MSA bluebook best I could, don't remember anything specifying the distance between the crotch straps though. There's two straps so don't see the point in having them next to each other. Has never been brought up in scrutineering as yet

 

[alistairolsen]

Worth pointing out the difference between these two:
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One is fully welded, the other is just stitched. Either is ok installed as they should be, under the car and through the panel, but installing the second plates as the first are shown would be fairly dangerous, especially for the main lap belts (I appreciate the ones shown are just the crotch straps).
A harness bar was a fairly major oversight in the design of that cage IMHO given the amount of tube involved. Check the angle to the rear cross bar carefully against the guidance in the schroth installation doc.

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Not sure on the official spacing, the Schroth guide will say for definite.

But i personally wouldn't have them that far apart. Prefer the setup in the picture i posted earlier in the thread.

Ideally I would weld them like you said however I can not weld and I am not sure who could weld them in for me so I am trying things that I can do if you know what I mean

 

[Ben NBR Cup]

Worth pointing out the difference between these two:
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View attachment 151027

One is fully welded, the other is just stitched. Either is ok installed as they should be, under the car and through the panel, but installing the second plates as the first are shown would be fairly dangerous, especially for the main lap belts (I appreciate the ones shown are just the crotch straps).
A harness bar was a fairly major oversight in the design of that cage IMHO given the amount of tube involved. Check the angle to the rear cross bar carefully against the guidance in the schroth installation doc.

Yes when I was searching there was an option for a fully welded in one
I know you would think they would add a harness bar in especially as it has pretty much every bar you could think of for a cage

 

[JamesBryan]

Worth pointing out the difference between these two:
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View attachment 151027

One is fully welded, the other is just stitched. Either is ok installed as they should be, under the car and through the panel, but installing the second plates as the first are shown would be fairly dangerous, especially for the main lap belts (I appreciate the ones shown are just the crotch straps).
A harness bar was a fairly major oversight in the design of that cage IMHO given the amount of tube involved. Check the angle to the rear cross bar carefully against the guidance in the schroth installation doc.

Yeah, we have the 2nd ones pictured as the inside lap mouting point. You need to drill a hole in the floor large enough for the nut of the plate to fit in, then flip the plate over and then weld the plate to the floor. The force is then pulling up on the plate in the event of a crash.

 

[NorthloopCup]

@Ben NBR Cup i have a welder and its mobile if needs be. :wink: