ITB airbox design..

ScottRallye · Dec 9, 2013

Thats 15mm between trumpet and bonnet, not much room considering the airbox still needs to get in that space aswell with some clearance of its own.

Ph1 Tom · Dec 9, 2013

Thats close...

You could run smaller spacers (make your own) or 40mm trumpets, that'll give the same length as the SFs with 120mm trumpets.

ScottRallye · Dec 9, 2013

Hmm I'd like to have the clearance so I can play with different trumpet lengths, cutting the bonnet will give a total of about 50mm which is fine.

Ph1 Tom · Dec 10, 2013

Oh right! Didn't realise you would get that much.

sprintcup · Dec 10, 2013

As said to the other comments, It was me asking about a closed air box which Ph1 Tom replied to , I was asking a few questions as there are other options available, if I can get the ITB's fitted without an air box this would be ideal but I think they will be removing the slam panel , so I'll be keeping an eye on the thread.

Regards Russ.........

ScottRallye · Dec 10, 2013

The slam panel will indeed be binned. Heres what the trumpets will look like with the spacers in.. *which ive ordered*

Ph1 Tom · Dec 10, 2013

Build the airbox into the slam panel to retain the bonnet catch.

Ph1 Tom · Dec 10, 2013

ScottRallye said:
The slam panel will indeed be binned. Heres what the trumpets will look like with the spacers in.. *which ive ordered*

Looks better

Is that a polo radiator fitted?

ScottRallye · Dec 10, 2013

It is alot better

and it's a standard radiator fitted.

Cup_Phil · Dec 10, 2013

Angle of those looks absolutely bang on! fair play dude.

With a polo rad fitted you'll have plenty of space for a box.

ScottRallye · Dec 11, 2013

They are pretty well lined up! And I will be making a shorter rad of similar width but with a thicker core. Plenty of room for the airbox and an oil cooler.

Cup_Phil · Dec 11, 2013

Keep forgetting your a fabricator. Jealous!

Can I bring you my ITB'd cup for the same treatment? lol

fake ben taylor · Dec 11, 2013

as has been said, thank god someone has finally just done it to check. seems the 90's wont really fit so i was wrong

Have you gone for these spacers? http://www.jenvey.co.uk/home/access...namics/spacer-sf-22-5deg-bend-45mm-scs45-22-5

If so i assume youre making adapters to fit them to the ITB's and fancy making two sets? as I am desperate for either a set of custom spacers or some adapters so i can move on with my setup.

The angle youve got there looks absolutely perfect!

Cheers

Chip-mk1 · Dec 11, 2013

fake ben taylor said:
as has been said, thank god someone has finally just done it to check. seems the 90's wont really fit so i was wrong

Might be worth you going and updating that other thread about it then just to keep it accurate.

Angle looks good with the spacers.

fake ben taylor · Dec 11, 2013

Chip-mk1 said:
Might be worth you going and updating that other thread about it then just to keep it accurate.

Angle looks good with the spacers.

search function doesnt work on works pc's for some reason, if i remember i will do later or you can feel free

Cup_Phil · Dec 11, 2013

fake ben taylor said:
seems the 90's wont really fit so i was wrong

*ahem* - apology accepted

Nafoff · Dec 11, 2013

interesting thread...

marinemackay2003 said:
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...se-ph1-ITB-Build/page77&highlight=itb+air+box that was the rs fabrications design

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...se-ph1-ITB-Build/page47&highlight=itb+air+box

Gray said:
Worked fine on our 4K mile trip around Europe a few years ago The only issue was the welds cracking due to the stiff mounting, this has been resolved by fitting rubber bobbins on the mount points iirc.

I am just starting to re-look at this and sort a few little niggles out, never had any problems with it apart from the aforementioned above, there is talk about potentially re-creating this also though if there was enough interested.

Corby G · Dec 11, 2013

ph-reebone said:
interesting thread...

I am just starting to re-look at this and sort a few little niggles out, never had any problems with it apart from the aforementioned above, there is talk about potentially re-creating this also though if there was enough interested.

Wouldn't go out in the snow with that. you'll get people asking to hire your plow...

Cup_Phil · Dec 11, 2013

I'd have one if it wasn't so low down.

Looking at your photos I'd have just had the scoop just to the side of the radiator aiming at the front grill

It's a bit too low down and a bit too much weight I think as it is.

ScottRallye · Dec 11, 2013

Cup_Phil said:
I'd have one if it wasn't so low down.

Looking at your photos I'd have just had the scoop just to the side of the radiator aiming at the front grill

It's a bit too low down and a bit too much weight I think as it is.

You just want one with a filter hanging out the front really

306maxi spec here I come..

Cup_Phil · Dec 11, 2013

Yup exactly that lol

Cup_Phil · Dec 11, 2013

Bad ass!

sprintcup · Dec 11, 2013

Ph1 Tom said:
Build the airbox into the slam panel to retain the bonnet catch.

That is an option and a good idea, I can remove the bonnet catch and mechanism because I'm fitting a bonnet with Aero catches.

I like the Maxi car look that would be great to have that set up just behind the grille, and the angle you've gone for looks perfect with the trumpets, I wonder if that was increased it would give more room under the slam.
I'm wondering if without the bonnet catch and mechanism fitted I could pack the spare slam panel up I've got to give me more clearance, I need to get in the garage and have a look at this.
Don't forget me when you do the rad I'll definitely have one off you, great work.
Regards Russ......

ScottRallye · Dec 19, 2013

Hellooooooo spacers...

Hoping to get a fair bit done over the Christmas holidays with this.

The spacers are SF fitment so dont bolt onto the bodies so the filter back plate will be re-made to suit the bolt holes.

Thinking of having a scoop from both front grills and then the bottom long grill will have a scoop to the new radiator and oil cooler.
Should be pretty effective.

Ph1 Tom · Dec 19, 2013

Am I missing something? The trumpets fit the spacers, the trumpets fit the DTH bodies, yet the spacers don't fit the bodies.

I know the hole diameter is different but the hole spacing is the same.

ScottRallye · Dec 19, 2013

Ph1 Tom said:
Am I missing something? The trumpets fit the spacers, the trumpets fit the DTH bodies, yet the spacers don't fit the bodies.

I know the hole diameter is different but the hole spacing is the same.

Trumpets fit on the spacers, spacers dont fit the bodies though as the holes are different.

Ph1 Tom · Dec 20, 2013

Could you open up the holes on the spacers to match the bodies? As far as I can tell from Jenvey drawings the only difference is the fact that the bodies have 6.5mm holes and the spacers have 5mm holes.

Chip-mk1 · Dec 20, 2013

Ph1 Tom said:
Could you open up the holes on the spacers to match the bodies? As far as I can tell from Jenvey drawings the only difference is the fact that the bodies have 6.5mm holes and the spacers have 5mm holes.

IIRC from when I did it to fit SF trumpets to a chadil manifold the hole centres were a different distance apart as well.

ScottRallye · Dec 20, 2013

4 holes on the spacers.. 2 on the bodies.. 4 holes set at the corners so 45degrees. And the bodies holes are around 30degrees so they would fit if you rotate the spacers.. Need photos to explain haha.

Chip-mk1 · Dec 20, 2013

ScottRallye said:
4 holes on the spacers.. 2 on the bodies.. 4 holes set at the corners so 45degrees. And the bodies holes are around 30degrees so they would fit if you rotate the spacers.. Need photos to explain haha.

I know there are 4 and 2 mate, but its not just the angle they are a different distance apart as well.

The 4 are 65mm centre to centre IIRC, and the 2 are more like 73.

I will get a picture of an adaptor I have to show you what I mean.

ScottRallye · Dec 20, 2013

I've sorted the problem out as il be using a special baseplate which will save me another 10mm space if I used an adaptor.

Chip-mk1 · Dec 20, 2013

You can see what I mean here hopefully.

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Ph1 Tom · Dec 20, 2013

Chip-mk1 said:
I know there are 4 and 2 mate, but its not just the angle they are a different distance apart as well.

The 4 are 65mm centre to centre IIRC, and the 2 are more like 73.

I will get a picture of an adaptor I have to show you what I mean.

If the two were at 73 though how would the trumpets fit the 65mm centre holes?

Chip-mk1 · Dec 20, 2013

Ph1 Tom said:
If the two were at 73 though how would the trumpets fit the 65mm centre holes?

Apologies, my Chadil manifold was for webbers, hence the bigger difference in fitment pattern! Its a webber to SF adaptor.

fake ben taylor · Dec 20, 2013

Looking at that spacer is it not possible to just redrill it to suit?

ScottRallye · Dec 21, 2013

fake ben taylor said:
Looking at that spacer is it not possible to just redrill it to suit?

Not enough meat on the flange... *ahem*

fake ben taylor · Dec 22, 2013

ScottRallye said:
Not enough meat on the flange... *ahem*

snigger

ScottRallye · Jan 13, 2014

Little update..

Proper motorsport radiator core arrived today, will be starting to make the end tanks tommorow.

This core is shorter to allow room for the airbox, wider and alot thicker, also will be single pass unlike the standard multipass radiator.

Wont be none of this £40 polo rad haha the core alone cost 5x that much.

Mr R. · Jan 13, 2014

Is this the kind of rad needed if running Jenvey TB mate?

ScottRallye · Jan 13, 2014

Phase1sr said:
Is this the kind of rad needed if running Jenvey TB mate?

It's not needed but it is for me as the standard rad is too big to fit an airbox around.. Plus I make all these types of things so I may aswell
Do it properly

oil cooler will be due to be made aswell.

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