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ktec and their power claims.....
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Chris205
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I love this Thread, I'd hate to think what would happen if the best traders on here started f**king customers cars up, I think the clio world would crumble.
I'll happily continue to use Btm performance and Rs tuning, they were the best in the Clio business when I arrived many moons ago and still are now.
As for the whole ktec thing, as far as I see it the ktec products ain't bad at all, yes they may not be perfect but from a commercial side of clio's they're decent enough. From the mapping respective I've never experienced a gdi/ktec mapped car, from what I've heard from a fair few reliable sources is the mapping side of things isn't up to scratch, however I'm not qualified to pass judgement.
Im sure half of this forum wouldn't have a clue about remapping and the car would have to drive like s**t for us to really notice a poor map.
I would rather we just got honest figures when marketing a performance modification though, it does give the impression they're out to claim big numbers to make big profits, then 6 months down the line someone does some independent tests who is in no way affiliated with ktec and the results are poor.
I'll happily continue to use Btm performance and Rs tuning, they were the best in the Clio business when I arrived many moons ago and still are now.
As for the whole ktec thing, as far as I see it the ktec products ain't bad at all, yes they may not be perfect but from a commercial side of clio's they're decent enough. From the mapping respective I've never experienced a gdi/ktec mapped car, from what I've heard from a fair few reliable sources is the mapping side of things isn't up to scratch, however I'm not qualified to pass judgement.
Im sure half of this forum wouldn't have a clue about remapping and the car would have to drive like s**t for us to really notice a poor map.
I would rather we just got honest figures when marketing a performance modification though, it does give the impression they're out to claim big numbers to make big profits, then 6 months down the line someone does some independent tests who is in no way affiliated with ktec and the results are poor.
I said he was great at electronics and id happily buy the Ecu but he was not very interested in working on cars so thequality of that side of his work wasnt as good and that the company was better to go to now he doesn't personally do those bits. Seemed a pretty honest and matter of fact description tbh. I can like someone but still see their faults and likewise I can dislike someone but still respect their work. Hence i tell people to buy things from ktec for example as their mail order is pretty much a faultless service. Your analysis of me is pretty terrible tbh, you don't seem to have read what I wrote very well at all.
330i. E30 Touring.
Mitch, you are coming across as a bit of a plank in here tbh.
Every trader has it's bummers and haters. Neither will be truly swayed without personal experience, which is only ever likely to happen in a negative way.
Saying that, the Internet and CS is fickle. 18 months ago on here, TDF were the company to go to, blah blah. They've been caught out a la horse meat and now they've bolted. A lot of money made on unfulfilled promises and just plain lies.
Every trader seems to have a shelf life also. Well, more an in 2 years.
Tuning is a mugs game. It's those boys who bolt parts onto cars that won't ever make the big bucks, but they'll remain steady for a lot longer.
Every trader has it's bummers and haters. Neither will be truly swayed without personal experience, which is only ever likely to happen in a negative way.
Saying that, the Internet and CS is fickle. 18 months ago on here, TDF were the company to go to, blah blah. They've been caught out a la horse meat and now they've bolted. A lot of money made on unfulfilled promises and just plain lies.
Every trader seems to have a shelf life also. Well, more an in 2 years.
Tuning is a mugs game. It's those boys who bolt parts onto cars that won't ever make the big bucks, but they'll remain steady for a lot longer.
Come of it, if that complete sham of an ITB install was done by Ktec you would have been milking it for years to come, because its your old pal you repeatdly tell us hes an amazing electronics engineer (which still has no relevance to your average joe bloggs wanting an honest ITB install on his clio) and that he "didnt put his all" into that car. It just does'nt wash. You may aswell be telling us he's an astronaut and hes really good at flying spacecraft but he just wasnt up to it that day. But your about to no doubt quote this and again tell me hes an electronics engineer and sells great ECU's..... right?
It's rather ironic you will slate Ktec's ability but defend the above.
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Laine, I never saw the job so couldn't comment in detail on it. I saw some coiled wires that Barnes seemed to think was a massive deal but is actually a perfectly normal thing to do with unused wires in a part made loom in case you want to use them later on and no other real evidence either way tbh mate so had nothing detailed to comment on.
In fact mwm left a coiled section of loom for my ecu, was handy when i did my boost control wiring as the wires were still there ready to be used, if they had been chopped off instead then i couldnt have done so without wiring in new wire.
My post though was saying that as its not him working on the cars now I don't see that it should put anyone off even if there was something up with it. If andy left ktec and mark shead started working there doing the mapping instead I would then be replying on here saying the same thing. That its irrelevant what someone who worked there previously did if someone was banging on about a bad map from andy after he left. And likewise if someone wanted to buy a set of engine mounts I would happily send them to ktec even if I wouldn't recommend them for mapping.
Its rarely black and white IMHO.
In fact mwm left a coiled section of loom for my ecu, was handy when i did my boost control wiring as the wires were still there ready to be used, if they had been chopped off instead then i couldnt have done so without wiring in new wire.
My post though was saying that as its not him working on the cars now I don't see that it should put anyone off even if there was something up with it. If andy left ktec and mark shead started working there doing the mapping instead I would then be replying on here saying the same thing. That its irrelevant what someone who worked there previously did if someone was banging on about a bad map from andy after he left. And likewise if someone wanted to buy a set of engine mounts I would happily send them to ktec even if I wouldn't recommend them for mapping.
Its rarely black and white IMHO.
Chris205
ClioSport Club Member
Many Things
m-tech in wiltshire
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
A non-clio place: http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...roblems-just-had-my-car-itb-d&highlight=mtech
Shows why correct research into your chosen tuner is a wise idea BEFORE you purchase.
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Having read right through that thread now it would appear someone took them a cammed car with incorrect cam timing that made 155bhp to begin with, they then fitted bodies and an ECU and it made over 180bhp, then danny when and corrected the timing and it lost a load of power, and then no resolution was eventually found as to why, would be interesting to hear what happened to it after that as TBH it sounds to me like the core problem wasnt really anything to do with the throttle bodies conversion anyway which is kind of ironic giving how people are talking about it.
I'd personally always recomend a clio specialist (which mtech arent and never claimed to be, they just offered a cheap ITB conversion and TBH that side of it did seem to actually work despite the other issues the car sounds like it had) for these cars as they are quirky little buggers.
As far as I am aware from reading the thread (not a great way to learn about things, especially when the OP seems a bit keen to get all emotional etc) the issues with the car seem to be:
Cam timing incorect
VVT solenoid not wired in
VVT solenoid not working even when tested direct on a battery (oil pressure or solenoid failure)
And the issues with the actual job mtech did are just the solenoid not wired in (which if it doesnt work isnt going to make much difference till that is fixed of course anyway) and that the OP doesnt like that they removed the ECU (must admit, not the way I would do it for a road car either TBH, but can understand their logic if more used to race cars where you would never leave the standard ECU in as well) and that the OP doesnt like the fact that they coiled and taped some of the loom, which he then untaped and laid out and took a picture saying it was wrong, which TBH sounds like a fuss about nothing at all, I would have done similar as would anyone else not knowing the future plans of the car, you never normally terminate a loom back and remove all the extra wires unless the whole car is completely finished as you might want to add wheel speed sensors, or boost control, or extra inputs and outputs for anything else so its worth having the loom left in fact just in case.
20 pages of Matt listening to input from the clio forum and trying to help, and eventually the customer deciding to take the car away with the issue not yet resolved, cant really see how CS seems to have decided from that mtech is somewhere to never do business with TBH, in fact I feel a bit unfair saying Matt probably had little interest in the job when asked about it before, as interested or not, he did actually seem to put a lot of effort into trying to help the customer work out what was up with his car that had faults clearly before it was even dropped off at mtech in the first place, I'd have been charging for that time if it was me TBH as its not exactly mtech's fault if someone took them a sheddy clio with 155bhp on a set of 428s with the wrong cam timing in the first place?
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I think what some have said on here is quite relavent, if its proven fact that the peak of the graph directly corelates to the radius of a customers smile then you should ask yourself: if its faster and you feel the difference justifies the money you just spent then why would you need a graph!
How do you know it would be faster if there's no bench mark figure? No one is going to punt 2k plus say on mods without knowing what its going to roughly give them power wise. Think what folk are suggesting with K-tec is these claimed figures are over generous.
Flol this thread is great.
+1 its a cracking read lol
