2005 Impreza WRX STI
2001 purple colour,with matching half leather interior standard apart from 200bhp chip. 35000 miles would u??????
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may be swapping 172 4 ibiza cupra
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2001 purple colour,with matching half leather interior standard apart from 200bhp chip. 35000 miles would u??????
Little Newms
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182, D2 Td5 & 840CI
Whats you car on miles wise etc mate?
Boxster S
I went from an standard Ibiza Cupra to a 182 and Ive made the right choice. THe only time the Cupra is quicker then the 182 is from 3000rpm in 2nd and thats it.
It doesnt drive as well, handle as well and isnt as much fun.
Plus you will have loads of EMU and ECU troubles with anything that has had a Revo chip upgrade to it...
Add to that, if its not a Type R, you will need to upgrade all the brakes to deal with the extra power. Purple isnt a standard colour either, Id leave it well alone.
[Edited by Penfold1977 on 12 June 2005 at 12:42pm]
Astra 1.9cdti XP
I would but they never came in purple!!!
2005 Impreza WRX STI
all seem to think ibiza crap.....thats what dean said when he sold his chipped ibiza to buy the 172
newms mines on 48k
2005 Impreza WRX STI
i dont actually think its purple, i think its called imperial blue
Clio 200 Cup
Ive got an Ibiza Cupra, it is a whole different package to the 172/182. Youll benefit from my truthful opinion so ill give you it (not wanting to slate intentionally). Firstly, living with it everyday, the interior is far nicer than the cliosports. It is much better quality. Bits dont fall off it, you rarely get rattles and its just a nice place to be. The driving position is much MUCH better than a clio as well. MPG is very similar to the clios but obviously if you use the turbo a lot then it can be quite funny!
Mine has been remapped by Jabbasport (to 207bhp and 236lb/ft torque). I have 2 mates with 172s (a mk1 and a mk2), and from 3rd gear onwards I can pull away substancially. Theres about 5 car lengths in it by the middle of 4th gear (110ish). The power delivery is much better than the clios for everyday driving. Its not necessary to change down gears all the time, its just power where you need it. I havent upgraded my brakes as said above. It would be a sensible mod, but not essential. I have not encountered any problems at all. I also dont agree with what Penfold said about ECU problems. Remaps just dont give you ECU problems, other things like MAFs and dump valves can sometimes cause problems but these are easy to fix. The engine is also very reliable.
Handling wise, in standard form they are not as good as the 172 / 182s admittedly. Mine grips loads, but when the limit is reach, all you get is understeer. However, it is not as bad as some people make out. There is a HELL of a lot of grip before the understeer, especially if you run good tyres. Anyhow, the understeer is easily fixed. A set of coilovers can have the Ibiza handling very well indeed, and I will be doing this to mine in the near future.
All in all, I really do prefer my car to my mates 172s. It is a much better package for me. If all i wanted to do was thrash round B roads all day, then id have bought the clio. But I want my car for a mix of motorway, A and B road driving, etc... and i have no complaints from my cupra. Absolutely love it. It is a more grown up package than the clio, is quicker in a straight line when remapped, more luxurious, smoother to drive, better looking (IMO of course), more reliable and the handling is easy to fix. On top of this, the potential of the 1.8 20vT engine is immense. Basically you can go as fast as you like, you just need to pay for it!
What remap has the car had by the way?
2005 Impreza WRX STI
i deleted the email mate somewhere in bicester? whats yours like once its warm tho?dont they loose loads of power and tend to go into limp mode????
Quote: Originally posted by stevoversteer on 12 June 2005
Ive got an Ibiza Cupra, it is a whole different package to the 172/182. Youll benefit from my truthful opinion so ill give you it (not wanting to slate intentionally). Firstly, living with it everyday, the interior is far nicer than the cliosports. It is much better quality. Bits dont fall off it, you rarely get rattles and its just a nice place to be. The driving position is much MUCH better than a clio as well. MPG is very similar to the clios but obviously if you use the turbo a lot then it can be quite funny!<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">Mine has been remapped by Jabbasport (to 207bhp and 236lb/ft torque). I have 2 mates with 172s (a mk1 and a mk2), and from 3rd gear onwards I can pull away substancially. Theres about 5 car lengths in it by the middle of 4th gear (110ish). The power delivery is much better than the clios for everyday driving. Its not necessary to change down gears all the time, its just power where you need it. I havent upgraded my brakes as said above. It would be a sensible mod, but not essential. I have not encountered any problems at all. I also dont agree with what Penfold said about ECU problems. Remaps just dont give you ECU problems, other things like MAFs and dump valves can sometimes cause problems but these are easy to fix. The engine is also very reliable.<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">Handling wise, in standard form they are not as good as the 172 / 182s admittedly. Mine grips loads, but when the limit is reach, all you get is understeer. However, it is not as bad as some people make out. There is a HELL of a lot of grip before the understeer, especially if you run good tyres. Anyhow, the understeer is easily fixed. A set of coilovers can have the Ibiza handling very well indeed, and I will be doing this to mine in the near future.<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">All in all, I really do prefer my car to my mates 172s. It is a much better package for me. If all i wanted to do was thrash round B roads all day, then id have bought the clio. But I want my car for a mix of motorway, A and B road driving, etc... and i have no complaints from my cupra. Absolutely love it. It is a more grown up package than the clio, is quicker in a straight line when remapped, more luxurious, smoother to drive, better looking (IMO of course), more reliable and the handling is easy to fix. On top of this, the potential of the 1.8 20vT engine is immense. Basically you can go as fast as you like, you just need to pay for it!<FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #407db6">What remap has the car had by the way?
handling in the Cupra is truely gash, when chipped they feel stupidly fast (way faster than they actaully are) and put out big hp/torque figures. But look at a dyno graph for one and its not so impressive, big spikes and power dies quickly.
Clio 200 Cup
Simple answer, no. When its really warm you can notice the car feels a little down on power but not much. Well you cant really notice it, its only when it cools down a bit and you think "bloody hell this feels quick" that you can tell the heat makes a difference. Its only when temperatures get significantly over 20 degrees though and were talking fractions. The standard side mounted intercooler isnt great but most of the time it will do the job, put it this way ive given mine some serious stick in hot weather and its been fine.
With regards to limp mode, it is very rare that the car will go into limp mode because of a hot day! The most common reason for it is a dodgy MAF (air flow sensor). Like i said earlier, this can be fixed easily. The car will go into limp mode if it gets too hot but ive never had this happen. I wouldnt worry about it at all mate. As long as you drive the car and see if everything is in order.
The only issues ive had to do with heat this summer so far are like i said, feeling a touch down on power when its a REALLY hot day. Nothing to worry about really
Clio 200 Cup
I disagree. Not the case with mine. It all depends on which remap you have. Revo tends to spike early then die fairly quickly after that. Mine holds power well until about 5,500rpm. The nature of the K03 turbo means that its never going to blast out power at very high rpms but a good remap can see it hold power for a while. The torque makes the car feel very quick but i wouldnt say way faster than it is. When racing my mates 172, when i get the big shove in the back from the torque, it evidently shoots me past him. It is especially noticeable in 4th and 5th.
Clio 200 Cup
Boxster S
Id agree with most of what Stevoversteer is saying, I loved driving my Ibiza for 4 years. Managed to rack up 60,000 miles in it, most motorway miles. The interior is better belt then the 182, I dont think the seats are as comfy at the 182s. But the Cupra certainly doesnt do 4,000rpm at 80mph!!
The Ibiza does handle well, its almost impossible to get the back end out if you are into that kind of thing. The TCS does a good job, but can always be turned off! The big difference Ive found between the 182 and Cupra is the feed back you get through the steering wheel and chassis, the Renault is amazing in this respect, where as the Cupra is just good (not bad though!!)
Its fair to say that the Ibiza has shed loads of tuning potential and more usable power, which all comes on from about 2500rpm and onwards. The standard one tends to lack a little from about 6000rpm towards the red line, I cant comment on the chipped ones. When nipping in and out of traffic the power is more usable in the Cupra, but on the B roads I think it would be in the Renaults favour if you can keep the revs high.
It depends on what you want, Im enjoying the Clio more then I did the Cupra. Im prefering the Renault engine to the 20VT. And from my experience of friends Cupras, remapping them has caused the EMU light come on all the time and register all faults. Just depends on your point of view on this again...
Imperial blue is a good colour and some of the early ones had colour coded inserts into the seats, which was quite nice.
Out of the box, I would say go with the Clio, but the Ibiza is a quality car and if you want to chip and mod it, it will become seriously quick. All I know is that although I loved my Cupra when I had it, I dont miss it at all 1400 miles into the 182
Hope this helps!!
Clio 200 Cup
Your car really is an anomale though Neil isnt it! Most 172s (cup or not) ive seen at santa pod have failed to get below 15 seconds. Clios are light and easy to launch. Ibizas are a b**ch to get off the line due to the turbo and low down torque. Youve got to remember though its not all about the 1/4 mile. I must have had 3 or 4 races in my whole driving career that started from a standstill. I bet if we had a rolling start the result would be different. Ive had 5th gear acceleration tests with my mates clios and the result really is laughable! its as if im in 3rd and theyre in 5th, i pull ahead that much. I feel thats where performance is really needed, although i do love a good quarter mile session and i respect your car for that time.
I think thats a very fair review Penfold, I cant stress enough how much better my car is to drive after the remap. There must have been something dodgy with your mates remap/car for those warning lights to be on.
Anyway, back to the main point, you gonna test drive it Clarkie?
Come on Steve, who cares about 5 gear acceleration, at the end of the day if I was into that id get a TDi and chip it.
My car pulls on S2000s and Alfa GTAs (pals cars) in gear (and im sure other Clio RSs with similar mods will do the same) Trust me a chipped Cupra does not scare me. Ive done a few really bad starts on the 1/4 mile (2.6 60 fts) but can still hit over a ton! Try to do that in a chipped Cupra.
Clio 200 Cup
True, but the car in question which Clarkie has been contemplating is remapped, so im giving you my opinion on that. I know a standard cupra would get beaten, they are mapped incredibly conservatively as standard. All im saying about the handling is that its no reason not to buy the car, it can be sorted fairly cheaply and be made to handle well.
Neil, i know what you are saying but in gear acceleration counts for a lot on the road. Im not just speaking about 5th gear, that was merely an example. It makes the car much more drivable (im sure you know this anyway from your LCR experience) everyday. As i said before i havent had a play with a cup before, but from my experience with normal 172s, ive been comfortably quicker both on the road and at santa pod. I can hit mid 98s terminal speed in my car so theres not really that much difference, considering yours has quite a few mods and mine just has a £475 remap.
2005 Impreza WRX STI
ppl edging the clios over them?!
Clio 200 Cup
Go drive a remapped Cupra Clarkie
I agree with most stevo says but I have actually gone the other way i.e revod cupra to 182 with cup suspension. For me the cupra is never going to have the poise of the 182 despite upgrading suspension. The steering rack is just not short enough and chassis not stiff enough.
For what I wanted the clio is the better car and I had a really good friends & family deal. The only time I miss the cupra is for motorway driving. The tip in response in 5th gear is pretty awesome.;-) On the track, the cupra struggled big time with brakes and handling and I could see it was going to cost a lot of money to get it the way I wanted. I know already that the clio will be perfect straight out of the box.
I have only done 1000 miles in the 182 but it currently has no rattles. The cupra had a few really anoying ones from day one that I could not stop!
I did 42k trouble free miles in the cupra 24k revod and never once had ECU or overboost problems.
My view is if most of your time is spent on motorways pick the cupra or be prepared to spend a lot of money sorting the handling if you want more twisty performance.
2005 Impreza WRX STI
what about 0-125 sort of in line pace?much difference?
Clio 200 Cup
I agree with most of what has been said. Brakes and handling, the clio has it. Straight line pace, refinement, interior and tuning potential the cupra comes out on top IMO. It really is a personal thing.
0-125 my car would considerably pull from a 172 btw
2005 Impreza WRX STI
oh i no not to that sort of speed that will be just on the airfield or track but just to get an idea due to bad starts doing 0-60 and 1/4 mile not being long enough etc. just my mate who had his @210bhp, couldnt believe how quick the 172 was in comparison. he sold his ibiza and pretty much straight away got the clio.he said he loved it.felt much quicker accelerating, not to mention handling etc
Go test drive one and see what you think. You may find that the Ibiza is a better car for you. A car can only be truly judged from the drivers seat IMO. 0-60s and qtr miles are all well and good but theyre irrelevant for 95% of everyday driving.
Im a lazy b*****d and the fact that the Ibiza delivers a fair amount of midrange appeals to me. Also Im now spending more time on motorways/A roads than I was when I originally bought my Clio, and I dont get as much opportunity to really enjoy the handling of the 172. Therefore Im going to be test driving a Cupra over the next few weeks to see I think. If I like it, Ill buy it.
2005 Impreza WRX STI
need one chipped which is close to me tho! cos, like u....im a lazy b*****d!
Quote: Originally posted by stevoversteer on 13 June 2005
I agree with most of what has been said. Brakes and handling, the clio has it. Straight line pace, refinement, interior and tuning potential the cupra comes out on top IMO. It really is a personal thing.0-125 my car would considerably pull from a 172 btw
Yeah a STANDARD 172.
