my new speakers sound poo!:(

Tom_E · Jan 15, 2006

guys

needs some help..ive now had my rainbow SL130 installed in the front for 3 days now and they dont sound all that good tbh.

iam running them off my Alpine 9853 and it better with the standard fronts in
(ie volume could go much higher).

any suggestion what i could of done wrong or what needs to be done? i just though by upgrading stereo and front speakers would make the world of differents as i dont really wanna go down the sub and amp route!

help much Appreciated !

Dink · Jan 16, 2006

at what volume do they sound poo?

have you got mx enabled??? eq set to flat?

Tom_E · Jan 16, 2006

15-18 depending on what sort of tune it is, mx is enabled although i had been playing around with the eq i did put it back to normal and the volume could go slightly higher(not much)

to me it sounds like too much treble and not enuff bass...hmmm

Dink · Jan 16, 2006

is there anything on the x-over to reduce the output to the tweets

mine sounds loads better with mx off

Tom_E · Jan 16, 2006

no dont think so, i think i put everything back to zero, just wanted to start again.

do speakers have to be bed-in? my friends jbl sub sounded pants when he first got it installed, but now its just emence bass!

Dink · Jan 16, 2006

well they should loosen up over time so it might improve a bit.

are you running any rear speakers as they can make it sound poo once the hu gets warm

Martin_172 · Jan 16, 2006

i remember when i got my hifi speakers (B&W DM601 S3) they didnt sound all that great at first then once they were worn in they sounded alot better.

The volume problem could be them needing amped, upgrading to speakers with a cross over is going to need more power to amplify them.

Tom_E · Jan 16, 2006

ive still got the factory poo speakers in the rear, ive got it faded all to the front as i dont really have any passangers apart from me julie!

as for the volume problem amping did cross my mind...if that is the case then in the future ill wack the sl130's in the rear, get some rainbow "kicks" and amp the fookers.

bass_direct · Jan 16, 2006

do you have a high pass filter on and if so, what is it set to?

Djw John · Jan 16, 2006

You definitly havent cross wired them at all? One side set correctly to positive and negative and the other side the wiring swapped round to that positive is going to negative and negative to positive? That cancels out bass and makes them sound really tinny.

Djw Dave · Jan 16, 2006

EvilJohn said:
You definitly havent cross wired them at all? One side set correctly to positive and negative and the other side the wiring swapped round to that positive is going to negative and negative to positive? That cancels out bass and makes them sound really tinny.

Putting them in phase, will get the problem your having. Swap the wires around and see if it helps.

Djw John · Jan 16, 2006

in phase! thats the name i was trying to remember! too early yet!

russ_0016 · Jan 16, 2006

Am i right in thinking these are the speakers?

http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products/details.php?lan=2&pro=1&lin=8&art=231146

They are coaxials not components, the standard front speakers will sound better?

Put em in the back and they will sound better than the standard rear speakers then invest in some components for the front!

Norris_309 · Jan 16, 2006

So maybe i won't buy those for mine now.. especially as i will only have the standard HU too.
Hope there is something simple wrong with them, that you sort out mate, as they ain't cheap are they.

russ_0016 said:
Am i right in thinking these are the speakers?

http://car.rainbow-audio.de/products/details.php?lan=2&pro=1&lin=8&art=231146

They are coaxials not components, the standard front speakers will sound better?

Put em in the back and they will sound better than the standard rear speakers then invest in some components for the front!

Why won't the rainbow coax's sound better than standard front speakers then, any reason for this?

danny1 · Jan 16, 2006

i got two sets of these.
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pro...d=3850&cadid=5caee5fe5cf466a28f97b47ab8ae4012.

they are amped and it sounds wicked.

russ_0016 · Jan 16, 2006

Norris_309 said:
So maybe i won't buy those for mine now.. especially as i will only have the standard HU too.
Hope there is something simple wrong with them, that you sort out mate, as they ain't cheap are they.

Why won't the rainbow coax's sound better than standard front speakers then, any reason for this?

Im no expert but coaxials never sound as good as comps. All to do with the way the sound is split etc? The standard front speakers in the later clio's, altough rubbish are components i.e driver and tweeter, not coaxials. If you buy some rainbow comps and stick these in instead you will notice the difference!

Tom_E · Jan 16, 2006

guys, just got bk from work thanks for the comments/advice

iam gonna double check the wires later on tonight and see how i get on, might be a miss match!

but i think iam gonna go for the rainbow kicks and replace the rears..might as well!

can anyone suggest a good amp for me (no more than £200)

Dink · Jan 16, 2006

Djw Dave said:
Putting them in phase, will get the problem your having. Swap the wires around and see if it helps.

out of phase:clown:

theduck · Jan 16, 2006

lol, in phase is the right way round, out of phase is the wrong way round. Speakers tend to need around 24 hours constant use before they start to sound anywhere near as good as they should do. I know of some speakers that have actually taken nearly 800 hours constant use to even start sounding right! (For those of you in the know about hi-fi they were Naim SL2's)

The Big Yin · Jan 16, 2006

I ran a set of co-ax's and they sounded much better than the fronts

danny1 · Jan 17, 2006

53clio_tom said:
guys, just got bk from work thanks for the comments/advice

iam gonna double check the wires later on tonight and see how i get on, might be a miss match!

but i think iam gonna go for the rainbow kicks and replace the rears..might as well!

can anyone suggest a good amp for me (no more than £200)

http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pro...d=3006&cadid=0ae8e663090832c3522577237e867f50

CrazyK · Jan 17, 2006

Will a multimeter show the currents as possitive and negative?

If so then pick one up for a tenner and make sure your in phase, if you use speaker wire that does not have a different sleeve for pos/neg (ie a stripe) it can be difficult to get it right, also make sure you have really good connections, crappy connections = crappy sounds. I always strip the wire back to get a good amount of it on the connecter and solder it on.

Tom_E · Jan 17, 2006

danny1 said:
http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pro...d=3006&cadid=0ae8e663090832c3522577237e867f50

kool cheers mate, havent got round to looking at the connection of the speakers yet!lol

am gonna buy the rainbow kick comp's(ive now decided) and iam gonna put the sl130's in the back! just looking around for a 4 channel amp now!

TriO` · Jan 17, 2006

there's gotta be a problem with the setup. they shouldn't sound that bad without an amp

Norris_309 · Jan 18, 2006

you managed to find any solutions yet mate?
Just curious

Tom_E · Jan 19, 2006

Norris_309 said:
you managed to find any solutions yet mate?
Just curious

iam gonna try and play around with the wires tonight mate, havent had time to do anything this week, been a busy one so far!

iam thinking somethng must be the wrong way round tbh.

David_Snaresbrook · Jan 19, 2006

pm sent

adammitchell69 · Jan 19, 2006

Just bought 2 sets of Rainbow SL230 kicks and a genesis amp to power them all. so they better sound good!!

Read the booklet with speakers and it does say they need 20 hours of use before they sound 'optimum'. they are also quite strict about how you position the comps and the settings you use to make sure the phase and sound re-production is the best it can be.

Regards

Adam

Tom_E · Jan 21, 2006

guys

just been playing around wit the wires and yes, one was the wrong way round!!

doh!!!

they sound quality!!

my rainbow kicks are comming hopefully monday, and iam buying a genisis 4way amp sencond hand!

all good!

Norris_309 · Jan 21, 2006

so the coax's sound good in the front doors of your car powered by the HU (at the moment)
Do you think they're much better on the standard ones??

Tom_E · Jan 21, 2006

Norris_309 said:
so the coax's sound good in the front doors of your car powered by the HU (at the moment)
Do you think they're much better on the standard ones??

yes mate they sound good with just the headunit, alot more clarity and more depth in the bass, you just have to play around with your headunit settings

alot better than standard IMO

Norris_309 · Jan 21, 2006

nice one, thanks for the information. Glad your sorted them! i bet you are too lol

So you still gonna be changing them for comps up front then? if so you'll have to take some pics when removing the dash & fitting the tweeters

as there seems to be alot of people (including myself) that would like to see this done.. as i'm scared to remove the dash lol

Still meaning to pull my finger out & upgrade mine.Although i'm keeping the standard HU.

Tom_E · Jan 21, 2006

yea rainbow kicks have been dispatched, should be with me monday, iam getting someone to install my amp and and do my tweeters, (he knows his s*it) as i will proberly c**k it up!

upgrade mate, i do recommend getting a HU as well though...what speakers are you going for?

Norris_309 · Jan 21, 2006

i was going to go for the rainbow coax's but probably the next model down from yours.
I had decided not to change the HU as i've had bad experiences with theiveing bastids in the past & don't want to change the look.. (know what i mean) so i've settled with the standard HU, i got the denison ice link plus for my ipod, so just want a half decent set of speakers to make it sound nice.. don't want masses of bass or volume, just nice sounding music will suit me fine.

just not sure on whether to buy the following:
http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/conte...+/+Speakers~st~In-Car+Speaker~make~Alpine.htm - these would be the cheap option.. would they be better than standard? or a possibility for the rear?

http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/3972.html - these if i'm feeling a little more generous

or...

http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/3967.html - if i'm feeling adventurous with removing the dash & 'somehow' fitting the tweeters.

just don't know whether it's worth spending that money on speakers when i'm not upgrading the HU??
will i gain anything from buying expensive speakers? or should i get some cheaper ones just to improve the sound a bit?...

what to do hey...

Tom_E · Jan 22, 2006

go for the rainbow comps mate,if you can stretch the extra dollar, ia sure that the sound will be grealy improved over the standard speakers.

Norris_309 · Jan 22, 2006

Are you gonna be there when your mate installs them for you???
If you can, have a little nose around when your mate is installing yours & tell me how much of a pain in the ass it looks to fit the tweeters.
Like where the crossovers go, & how they actually fix into place etc...

I've just noticed today that i need new front tyres, so i think they might be ahead of the speakers now.,.. bloody hell!

Tom_E · Jan 22, 2006

haha yea dont worry ill be nosing around to see how he does its!!

Djw Dave · Jan 22, 2006

EvilJohn said:
in phase! thats the name i was trying to remember! too early yet!

No worries dude. Wondered why you hadnt said it!

my new speakers sound poo!:(

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