My ST v my Clio 200 - speedo video

[MarkCup]

Various in-gear runs and a 20-80 sprint at the end. I'm surprised the Clio held up as well as it did...the torque of the ST makes me remember the 200 as being quite breathless...but it's never really that far behind...

 

[RS200Dan]

I can understand the clio not keeping up with all the videos being single gear pulls from low revs apart from the last. low down torque in a N/A car is nothing like it is In a turbod car,

 

[mjf93]

I get the point your making, but surely in the real world you would be dropping a gear or two in both cars if you were going for it?
I'd be interested to see more comparisons of that nature.

 

[gez 172]

Pointless vid IMO. The Clio didn't get taken over 5.5K in those in gear vids, and that's where it comes alive. IMO, the Clio would pull on the ST, if the focus is anything to go by also. What Bhp is the new focus?

 

[Starlet_gt]

The mk3 focus st is 250bhp

 

[Matthew]

Very similar pace wise, even after the Mountune.

I suppose the 200 would be neck and neck before the ST had the map?

 

[RDH]

Pointless vid IMO. The Clio didn't get taken over 5.5K in those in gear vids, and that's where it comes alive. IMO, the Clio would pull on the ST, if the focus is anything to go by also. What Bhp is the new focus?

Last video was pretty relevant? No?

Both look pretty even to me, a missed gear change in either would swing it. I'd imagine the torque makes the ST a better day to day car than a 200.

 

[RichyMa]

The last part of the video was a decent comparison, interesting to see that the Clio isn't too far behind tbh

 

[gez 172]

I'd imagine the ST is the better daily car yes. Easier power access etc.

 

[Gaz_]

Last one is the true year as already mentioned


love how the clio is revving to 7k and the fiesta out of puff at 6 ;-)

 

[MarkCup]

Last video was pretty relevant? No?

Both look pretty even to me, a missed gear change in either would swing it. I'd imagine the torque makes the ST a better day to day car than a 200.

This is the point, this is what makes the ST a far better day to day car than the Clio. Urge is always available, no need to drop 2 gears before being able to get going. The only way to avoid that is by never letting the revs in the Clio drop beneath 5k...and LOL at doing that on your daily drive.

As said ultimate straight line acceleration through the gears is what you'd expect from two cars separated by 15PS and 50kgs I.e. Not much difference at all.

 

[Chris_Beer]

I bet this is plastered over Fiesta forums lol..

Its like doing the same with something Honda Type R range.. pointless.. the Clio enjoys to rev.. the Fiesta clearly doesnt, don't know a great deal about them but if its turbo'd then close this thread or chuck a blower on the clio and do a standing start run not low rev runs.

Stuff like this cheeses me off and the fact your on here trying to justify it on a Clio forum makes it worse.

Its about what you enjoy.. which clearly here most people will be Clio's.. if they want a fiesta they will join another forum..

 

[treemanx]

It's an interesting comparison that I'm sure most hot hatch enthusiasts are interested in?

LOL at your point about wanting a fiesta and joining another forum... Have you seen the thread for new ST owners on here?

 

[Matthew]

And the BMW owners thread....

 

[brisa4984]

nice vid..

just shows the difference in low down torque of a tuned st not outright pace


but we already knew this...

 

[gez 172]

Put a vid up of a mid bend pace comparison IMO

 

[Midnight]

Nearly as pointless as the cars braking on ice thread...

 

[mjf93]

I disagree, I think he is just showing a comparison of mid rang poke, when your going down a back road, you don't want to be at redline all the time day to day, you want to be able to use the mid range torque as demonstrated here.
As I said in my original post, I do think it would be interesting to see more top end comparisons, but maybe they aren't possible on the road?
I would also say to the people slating the st, I doubt you've been in one as if you had you'd realise it's a fantastic car and is by no means asthmatic at the top end like some have said and like most turbo cars are. I'd be willing to bet it will also handle just as well as a 200.
I'm not a fan boy of either, I just think people need to appreciate the fiesta for what it is, shows how the market has advanced a little in the last couple of years and moved the game on.

 

[Mr Plums]

Have you got one from a standing start, i reckon the clio would pull slightly.

 

[Midnight]

I disagree.

Its showing a more powerful turbo car hitting certain speeds quicker than a less bhp car.

Surely 99% of the people on here already knew that?

I don't mind the ST and it looks to be an O.K car however I don't wish to own/lease/borrow one either, for me it lacks appeal.

 

[Chris_Beer]

Appreciate the Fiesta you say...

My work car park is full of them, they bore me to death seeing them in various 'sporty' variants, my girlfriends mum has one ffs sake.

I'm out

 

[Alastair.]

Luckily the Clio doesn't look like a noddy car like the Fiesta.

 

[LiamR172]

Not exactly 100% accurate. T/C cutting in in the fiesta for example.

Also, did you say the point of this video is to show that the fiesta is a better daily? I dont really understand that if it is. I enjoy revs so id rather a 200 as a daily. If you enjoy boost then obviously it would be the fiesta.

Bit pointless imo

 

[gez 172]

I'm gonna put it out there too, technically...the St isn't standard either... :rasp:

 

[scott.p]

Its like doing the same with something Honda Type R range.. pointless.. the Clio enjoys to rev.. the Fiesta clearly doesnt, don't know a great deal about them but if its turbo'd then close this thread or chuck a blower on the clio and do a standing start run not low rev runs.
.

Wouldn't really be fair to chuck a blower on the 2.0l clio considering the fiesta is only a 1.6 turbo

 

[RDH]

So to sum up, 200 is still the best car in the world?

 

[gez 172]

If you must say that, then yes. Lol

 

[LiamR172]

So to sum up, 200 is still the best car in the world?

1*2 would beat them both tbh

 

[McGherkin]

I like watching the MPG readings as they do that.

 

[rs 1an]

So to sum up, 200 is still the best car in the world?

:approve: When do we get the dorf turbo blowing up video :race:

 

[Dink]

i think i'm going to have to do a little speedo vid to see how the polo compares to this new breed of 1.6T cars.

 

[mjf93]

Appreciate the Fiesta you say...

My work car park is full of them, they bore me to death seeing them in various 'sporty' variants, my girlfriends mum has one ffs sake.

I'm out

Clio's aren't exactly the rarest of cars created are they?

 

[mjf93]

I don't understand why people can't appreciate another car just because they don't own it?
If you prefer N/A and the revs that come with it, then fair enough your going to like the Clio, but surely you can appreciate that the ford is a good car in it's own right? Plus you have to remember all cars are going this way now, so it's something we are going to have to make the most of.
Are you going to tell me the Clio. 200 is better than a new bmw m3/m4 because they are turbo charged?

 

[LiamR172]

I don't understand why people can't appreciate another car just because they don't own it?
If you prefer N/A and the revs that come with it, then fair enough your going to like the Clio, but surely you can appreciate that the ford is a good car in it's own right? Plus you have to remember all cars are going this way now, so it's something we are going to have to make the most of.
Are you going to tell me the Clio. 200 is better than a new bmw m3/m4 because they are turbo charged?

If your getting at me with that post then no i wouldnt say a clio is better than an M3. They are in different classed. Possibly a N/A car in the same legue as an M3 or the likes.

The fiesta is a good wee car, i test drove one and was half planning buying one but it was a bit too expensive at the time. I was just saying i would rather have the revs than the boost. Hence why i sold my megane and got another 172.

 

[hilldawg172]

If your getting at me with that post then no i wouldnt say a clio is better than an M3. They are in different classed. Possibly a N/A car in the same legue as an M3 or the likes.

The fiesta is a good wee car, i test drove one and was half planning buying one but it was a bit too expensive at the time. I was just saying i would rather have the revs than the boost. Hence why i sold my megane and got another 172.

Its a age old debate, thats why i have a turbo and a n/a car. best of both worlds lol.

 

[Midnight]

I'm not overly found of the looks of the new M4 but I appreciate the specs etc.

If I did own one, I wouldn't go onto a 911 forum and post some useless video on how the M4 would be a 'better daily' than the 911. Or for that matter which brakes are better...

The Fiesta ST is an O.K car like I keep stating but I find the entire manner of the thread a little too 'baiting' and very little actual facts.

 

[JCC]

Just a tiny bit of butthurt in this thread I see.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned "Turbo lag" yet, whatever that is, think I'm too young to remember it.

 

[Midnight]

Just a tiny bit of butthurt in this thread I see.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned "Turbo lag" yet, whatever that is, think I'm too young to remember it.

You've never been in the wrong gear with a GT35 turbo then lol.

 

[Stan.]

If I did own one, I wouldn't go onto a 911 forum and post some useless video on how the M4 would be a 'better daily' than the 911. Or for that matter which brakes are better...

To be fair Mark used to own a Clio 200 and from memory a 172 but I may be wrong.

He obviously still likes coming onto the forum as do I since I've moved on from having 6 Renaultsports and has posted a comparison video.

No harm in it.

 

[mjf93]

If your getting at me with that post then no i wouldnt say a clio is better than an M3. They are in different classed. Possibly a N/A car in the same legue as an M3 or the likes.

The fiesta is a good wee car, i test drove one and was half planning buying one but it was a bit too expensive at the time. I was just saying i would rather have the revs than the boost. Hence why i sold my megane and got another 172.

That's a fair point. If your preference is the Clio, then it is, but some people earlier were saying the fiesta was rubbish and boring. Which it isn't, they are both very evenly matched, which ever is your preference is an opinion and that's fair enough.