New 172 cup or 182 w/ cup chassis

[chowy]

Hi,

Im new to this forum.

I am looking to purchase my next car which will be a hot hatch with all the usual shortlist at circa. £15K

At the top of the list is 172 cup with c/c (if u can still get them new) or 182 with cup chassis.

I have read great reviews on both cars but has anyone driven both and compared them?

Any comments would be appreciated.

 

[RobFenn]

I think its common sense to presume the later model is going to be better than the one its based on, it would be hard to make it worse!

Pick up any magazine and theyre raving on about the 182..i think that balances out any additional cost.

-Rob

 

[Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by chowy on 05 March 2004


Hi,

Im new to this forum.

I am looking to purchase my next car which will be a hot hatch with all the usual shortlist at circa. £15K

At the top of the list is 172 cup with c/c (if u can still get them new) or 182 with cup chassis.

I have read great reviews on both cars but has anyone driven both and compared them?

Any comments would be appreciated.






A cup with climate contol wont be any faster than a 182.

plus you get jack with cups.

I have driven both and i prefer the 182. hence why i bought one.

 

[Moby]

youll get the niceities and the toys with a 182 but youll pay more for it. As Rob says, both EVO and CAR magazines have loved the 182, tom should know too - hes got one! Ive never driven a 182 (yet) so I cant compare it with my cup.

You just have to weight up the positives and negatives. I would doubt also whether youd still be able to buy a cup new, even one with c/c.

 

[black kro]

you can get Cups for about 11K (under 10 nearly new), but the lack of little extras like ABS, Auto lights and auto-wipers is a bummer - fab cars tho.

I think Tom would agree that the 182 is the best of both the CUP and 172.

If I had 14/15K, Id defo buy a 182!!

 

[Moby]

Had a think about it again in the last 2 mins.

Buy a 182 with the cup chassis if you dont mind spending the money, its the split new model and should be worth more in the long run that the cup.

Its maybe different if youve got a cup and were considering moving to a 182, dunno if you could justify the expense, other than you wanted all the goodies etc.

 

[Moby]

Quote: Originally posted by black kro on 05 March 2004


you can get Cups for about 11K (under 10 nearly new), but the lack of little extras like ABS, Auto lights and auto-wipers is a bummer - fab cars tho.

Chowy, In case you didnt know, the Cup was brought out to be a rally homologation special, stripped out, lightweight and cheap. So you dont get the things black kro mentions.

 

[RobFenn]

Bear in mind also the resale value of the 182 is going to better than a 172.

-Rob

 

[lastmanjackson]

The cup will hold its value better over the long term because its a homologated car.

The 182 is a nice car but it is not going to be remembered as anything special when the new model comes out.

Depends what you want, toys or some rarity ? They only sold 2500 thats half as many as the RS focus and look at the values on them.

Now you cant get cups anymore the values will level out over the next 2 years.

 

[Tom]

Im not knocking the cup btw its a Great car if you can get hold of one with cc and you dont want all those toys and the leather/alcantara then go for it.

Trouble with a ccd cup is its a little heavier so the performance "gap" between the cup and the 182 is lessened. (if there is one to start with)

the 182 is an all round bargain plenty of people got theirs for around £12,500 (i didnt) which is possibly what you would pay for a cc cup as only dealers would have new stock.

As for residuals i dont see cups being any better than 172s at holding their prices.

 

[chowy]

Im not an extras fan but its driver enjoyment thats important plus some practicality!

I havent seen a 182 in the flesh yet but I love the Cups looks i.e. colour and wheels! Can you get this blue in the 182?

Resale - I thought that withe the cup being a special edition (albeit cheaper) that it might be more of a classic in later years (similar to Clio Williams)

mailto:B@llsie">B@llsie, I noticed that you have a Cup and CTR too in ur pic? How do they compare?

 

[Tom]

The 182 comes in a blue thats so similar to the cup most cant tell

 

[lastmanjackson]

I agree about the power of a cup with CC.

But I disagree with the idea that a 182 will depreciate less than the cup?

I have dealt for many years with classic cars and the one thing that gives a car rarity and desirablity is the homolagation of a car and its limited numbers.

I guarantee that in 3 to 4 years cups will be changing hands for more money

Time will tell

 

[cliotuRS]

save cash on 182.. buy 172 from motorpoint.co.uk for £10999 add some eibach proline, ktec discreet exhaust + IK + some get some new 16" alloys to stand out.. get it in ICESilver and then with the spare money saved get 1years insurance. IMO

mite be wrong

 

[Seedy]

I work for a vehicle leasing company & have a live access to CAP residual pricing guide. The Cup is holding its value better than the 172.

Just checked now 03 Cup 10k miles new £12815 now CAP retail £11450

= 89% of original value.

Normal 172 03 10k £14415 new now Cap retail £11750 = 81% of original value...

Cant argue with CAP...

 

[jon_r]

nope

And being in the position of having c.c, im smiling all the way to the bank.







*touches wood*

 

[chowy]

Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 05 March 2004


save cash on 182.. buy 172 from motorpoint.co.uk for £10999 add some eibach proline, ktec discreet exhaust + IK + some get some new 16" alloys to stand out.. get it in ICESilver and then with the spare money saved get 1years insurance. IMO

mite be wrong

I heard somewhere that Motorpoint import cars are not from EU and from Cyprus! and this may cause warranty and big residual problems!

 

[dk]

there is a brand new cup going at my local renault garage for under 11K brand new so they cant be that good!

 

[chowy]

Quote: Originally posted by dave182 on 05 March 2004

there is a brand new cup going at my local renault garage for under 11K brand new so they cant be that good!

Didnt want to start a war here lads!!!!

Which is the best to drive or do you think there will be very little difference?

 

[Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by Seedy on 05 March 2004


I work for a vehicle leasing company & have a live access to CAP residual pricing guide. The Cup is holding its value better than the 172.

Just checked now 03 Cup 10k miles new £12815 now CAP retail £11450

= 89% of original value.

Normal 172 03 10k £14415 new now Cap retail £11750 = 81% of original value...

Cant argue with CAP...





Well cap values dont always represent real world pricing as as you know. thats not significant enough to be a selling point considering 172s do not sell for list where as discounts on cups arent as extreme. http://fire.prohosting.com/jopeters/cgi-bin/Outkast%20-%20The%20Way%20You%20Move.mp4.

 

[Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by chowy on 05 March 2004

Quote: Originally posted by dave182 on 05 March 2004

there is a brand new cup going at my local renault garage for under 11K brand new so they cant be that good!

Didnt want to start a war here lads!!!!

Which is the best to drive or do you think there will be very little difference?





Best thing to do is to drive both back to back or as close as you can get to that.

 

[Seedy]

All that matters to me is they are quicker than the 182... now i have a set of Eagle F1 Goodyear gsd3 205 45 16s on each corner I am happy with my 182 stance - and 69kg lighter quicker CUP ....(hides)

 

[Pretender]

If all your interested in is "how much will my car be worth in 2 years time", then dont get a car, just keep the cash and ride around on a bike for the rest of your life!!

 

[lastmanjackson]

No 182 owners will give a monkies when the new sport model appears in about 2 years time, as theyll all want those.

 

[Tom]

Quote: Originally posted by lastmanjackson on 05 March 2004

No 182 owners will give a monkies when the new sport model appears in about 2 years time, as theyll all want those.

Your on a roll today arent you mate.

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by chowy on 05 March 2004


At the top of the list is 172 cup with c/c (if u can still get them new) or 182 with cup chassis.

If you want the CC on a Cup anyway, then youd be better off going for a 182 with the Cup upgrades IMO...

 

[KDF]

Yep, what he said ^^^ your gonna get a much better car.

Its either one or the other, if you want to save a buck get the Cup, if you want all the luxuries/toys plus equal/better handling than the Cup get the 182, costs more but an all round better car (according to most reviews

 

[Eddd]

I really enjoy my Ragnotti, and I put over 10.000km on it since last September. A good few of them were on the ring where the car really shines. If you dont need the extra toys, and like to indulge in a bit of enthusiastic driving now and again, save some money and pick up one of the remaining new Cups.

 

[D-CUP]

I doubt there are many Cups with CC left. Might aswell get a 182 with options if you have 15k to spend. Not that Id pay that for one.

 

[chowy]

I think the price of the 2 is not an issue as Ive priced up UK 182s for around £12K and the cup is around £11-12K!

I managed to get a test drive in the 182 with cup chassis but got the worst test drive ever - no fault of the car but the s%#t salesman (see other thread) so Im no further forward to know how good the clio sport is!

Maybe if there are any kind members in the Teesside area can give me a spin?

 

[Jayg0]

I live nr Darlington and have bought one of tha last CUPs, having previously owned a CTR and a Mini Cooper S.

The CUP is imho as fast, if not faster, in everyday driving than the CTR and way more excitng than the S. Had cc on the Mini and maybe Ill regret it going come summer but at the moment the CUP just outshines the MIni in terms of pure fun.

If you really want cc then get a 182, every magazine rates them and those anthracite wheels are just fantastic, that said there is a garage in Boroughbridge with a CUP for sale at £11,995 listed as having cc and with only 2k miles.

If you want to have a zip around in my CUP pm me

 

[Brazo]

If the vehicle is to be your every day car then I would opt for the 182, mainly beacuse of the luxory and extra safety features.

If it is to be a second or weekend car then the smile you get from driving the lightweight cup is hard to beat imho!

 

[Ian_182]

Get a 182 because speed wise theres nothing in it with a cup and the 182 handles better because it has stiffer springs and dampers than the cup,also the castor angle has been moved a further 3 degrees to enhance the cornering.

test drive them by all means but as an everyday car youll love the toys on a 182.As for residual value i dont know but seen as the 182 is going to be the last one in this shape id bet the 182 will be worth more in the long run and it will have lots of toys to help you sell it aswell as the speed.

regards,ian

 

[D-CUP]

Cup will be worth more in the long run.

 

[Dash]

Quote: Originally posted by D-CUP on 06 March 2004
Cup will be worth more in the long run.


You mean the one that is left will be worth more