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new exhaust,182



This is my 3rd custom exhaust :eek: and the best one so far :)

I was going to wait and get an AWT but couldnt justify the cost really so got a custom one done based on the Orbisoud, at a fraction of the price. Not 100% how I wanted it, I would have preferred the silencer centralised but the brackets dont allow it. You cant see the silencer so its not to bad.

It is 2.5" into the silencer then twin 2" out and 3" tail pipes. If anything it is a bit quiet but sounds nice and deep. None of the boomy sound you get with the twin backbox system either.

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Peperami said:
I like! How much it set you back?

Its a custom cat back I think it should have been £370 but he sorted me out for quite a bit less due to it being my third system. It was done at MIJ performance.
 
  2015 ST2(MO)/CorsaLE
Not bad then! Might be worth considering to the blueflame, i do prefer my blueflame though
 
  VRS
nice one mark, looks a bit more balanced on the eye from the rear view compared to the single exit one you had :)
 
  Lux'd Glacier White R26
Much better Mark.. That certainly is a fraction of the cost of the orbisoud one!! Looks great. You had it on the rollers?

Tyson.
 
Its nice to get the twin tailpipes back the single exit did look s**t.

I had a twin back box system before and the boomy noise around 4k was unbearable I think it is something inherent in the design not sure about the technical reason.

Tyson it will be getting mapped and RR'd in a few weeks.
 
Something to do with gas pulses IIRC (no doubt ben will explain in huge detail, lol)

I like the look of that and the price is pretty reasonable too. Would be nice if it was stupid loud like my old SS though.
 
Loony said:
Something to do with gas pulses IIRC (no doubt ben will explain in huge detail, lol)

I like the look of that and the price is pretty reasonable too. Would be nice if it was stupid loud like my old SS though.

The backbox is custom made. Spec a short backbox say 12" long or less and you will get stupid loud :evil:.

I think that is 16" I did ask for something that wouldnt make my ears bleed.
 
Dan Page said:
have you not found it has restricted the car performance wise at all?

No.

This isnt really comparable to having a couple of silencers welded on to the back of the OEM exhaust. If your going to get it done spend the money and do a bit of research. I have never had a problem with MIJ and would recommend them. (I think I am making this comment to the right person?)
 
  K20 EG Hatch
Yeah it was me but i wouldn't have had it done if they hadn't have said it would be fine. He said he does all his 182's in that way and never had a problem.
 
Dan Page said:
Yeah it was me but i wouldn't have had it done if they hadn't have said it would be fine. He said he does all his 182's in that way and never had a problem.

Like I said I have not had a problem.

At the end of the day I could have spec'd that to any custom builder and they would have all built it in the same way. Whether its prospeed H&S or MIJ they all weld stainless pipes and use generic silencers to make exhausts.

The prospeed one you have was originally spec'd by Andy_GDI which is a copy of the supersprint one. First systems to come out of prospeed for a 182 was Ross' which was 2" bore and twin silencers which isnt the best config but at the time its what they produced.

Mine is an orbisoud copy but I also originally had a system the same as Ross' beacuse I just walked in and said make me a custom to fit this car that isnt to loud.

My point is it is upto the customer to spec the system the exhaust builders do not dyno test there designs they just build to fit. Best way is to copy designs from companys like supersprint and orbisoud. I realise they are not the ultimate but they represent value and in the case of this one an improvement over standard for power and noise.
 
  MK2 Audi TT - 2.0T dsg.
I have a custom SS bat-back / decat on mine at the moment, but I was also thinking about getting a single back box and making my decat a silenced one as I use the car a bit for day to day driving and it's VERY loud at present.
But, the company that made my system say's I may lose a little power by using a single back box which I don't know whether to believe or not and they said it would make it louder???

I love the look of the Orbisoud system.

any idea's ???


your system looks really nice btw!
 
  VRS
iirc the single silencer allows for greater power than a double!
im sure benr posted the technical response a while ago but i cant remember cos im a simple person :clown:
 
  VRS
an old thread of marks talking about his single exit exhaust:
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=111361&page=2

quote from mark talking about andy at gdi from the above thread:

"I was told by Andy (GDI) and at the custom exhaust place that a single pipe and silencer is a better option for power. Andys demo car uses a single silencer with twin exit but the silencer is laid across the car so you cant see the silencer from the back. The Orbisoud and Supersprint exhaust use a single silencer twin exit arrangement aswell."

would be good to hear the technical reasons but i would probably just get confused lol
 
Dont know the reason why and dont take my word for anything.

Orbisoud and supersprint do single silencers. BTB and AWT dont. At the time of the thread above I had only seen proper performance exhausts done with single silencers now AWT and BTB have gone for Y pieced systems I am not so sure.

I dont know if there are any race/performance cars that use split exhaust systems for power reasons. I dont think there is.
 
I like the way marks/orbisound's is set tbh. One silencer so none of the boom or other issues you get with the y section. Plus the way the pipework enters and exits means there are no nasty sharp bends like alot of the other single silencer systems.
 
  MK2 Audi TT - 2.0T dsg.
Mark have you still got the CAT on? Is there anything other silencers on it?

I Really like it!
 
Thomss said:
Mark have you still got the CAT on? Is there anything other silencers on it?

I Really like it!

Its got a sports cat.

You could stick a silencer in where the cat would be. Read this, quote from fmp

**Standard 182 cat is pretty free flowing as standard. De-Cat wise.....

Another reason to fit the BTB unit is a bit more technical, most people want to take the CAT off as they sap so much power, the problem is taking the CAT out and substituting a straight pipe is not really correct. OK, this will certainly give you the power back the CAT takes away through restriction but this causes another problem. When exhaust gas comes out of the cylinder it produces sound/pressure waves that travel up and down the exhaust system, if these S/P waves can be controlled correctly they can be harnessed to draw extra gas from the cylinder and so make the engine more efficient. These S/P waves are controlled by the cam timing and the pulses go down the exhaust until they meet the first expansion chamber, silencer, CAT (anything that causes the size of the exhaust bore to rise significantly). As soon as the gas reaches this expanded section, the S/P wave stops and goes back to the cylinder head, as this wave hits the back of the valve it bounces back and causes a suction pulse that helps pull more gas out the next time the valve opens. The problem is the distance from the first expanded section to the cylinder head is critical, to get this pulse action working correctly, if this distance is not correct the wave goes back at the wrong time and hits the gas coming out of the valve and so stops the gas coming out rather than helping it. This is what happens when you take the CAT out, you no longer have an expanded section in the correct place and the S/P wave will go down the system until it reaches the first silencer box before returning. Before CAT's were fitted, this was the reason all cars had an expansion boxes in a similar position to where they now fit CAT's. I know some one will say, what about the VTR with the CAT on the down pipe, or the old mini with only one silencer at the rear. The complications of how these S/P waves travel is not quite as simple as above. Lets assume the correct distance from the valve head to the first silencer should be 80 inches, providing you double or treble the distance or half it, quarter it, the S/P waves will still work their effect, so having the CAT on the down pipe or just one silencer at the back can still be right, what is practically certain is that taking the CAT out and substituting a straight pipe will not be correct and so you will loose some power.

taken from a very good tuner, talking about BTB system for a citroen saxo, which same principles apply!**
 


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