Ph2 172 cup.....lower weight the only difference?

[Tom163]

I did a few searches but really couldnt find a answer so i'm sorry if it has been discussed loads. I have been offered a phase 2 172 and after some research 90% say the cup is better and faster but all ive found is the difference is suspension and weight saving.....is there anything different between the two i'm missing like engine etc?

Just wondering as everyone talks about the rawness of the cups and if I got the stock 172 and did some weight saving and properly set up coilovers would it be just as good as a cup?

Thanks
Tom

 

[Revels]

No engine changes.

The changes are only weight, suspension and brakes.

 

[Tom163]

Thanks

 

[batesey]

im pretty sure all cups have RS inlets? i know the ones i have seen have them anyway

 

[Rhys Beal]

im pretty sure all cups have RS inlets? i know the ones i have seen have them anyway

They don't

 

[batesey]

oh right whats the difference on the brakes?

 

[Rhys Beal]

no abs

 

[Iain C]

No offical engine changes but they often do better a rr days. I thought this was because of the rs inlets too.

Braking split 90/10 too

 

[mantis946]

Different aux setup so cheapper major services and less drag on the engine due to shorter belt and no compressor.

 

[v16daf]

No traction control either, slightly wider track? No headlight washers, no spare wheel. A number of things really

 

[James23]

poverty spec cloth seats too

 

[mantis946]

No traction control either, slightly wider track? No headlight washers, no spare wheel. A number of things really

Yep wider track due to increased offset of the turinis, differs on the trophy too I believe

 

[Tom163]

Thanks guys all a big help

 

[jackthewelshman]

There is a sticky in this forum section on this topic:
http://www.cliosport.net/content/gui...io Guide.pdf

Also check out the Renaultsport Clio Wikipedia article for an idea of differences.

 

[Jimbo_M]

No air con on 95% of cups too making them lighter and cheap to do the belts on

 

[plymcl172]

dont forget that cups do not come with map lights!

 

[edde]

If you get truly geekty theres quite a few bits missing/different

Possibly the most geeky is the 3rd rear belt isn't there. and the windscreen is different


Gearbox is the same speeds but has a speedo sensor.

 

[s0ck]

I keep hearing about RS inlets... what are they and how do you tell??

 

[mantis946]

They are stamped RS on the inlet and they are ported/matched for better flow from factory.

 

[plymcl172]

a cup has a quieter horn than a non cup ! I have a double horn go me ! :rasp:

 

[Fred@BTM]

89kg total weight difference
20mm wider front track, 10mm wider rear (might be the other way round, i forget)
thinner glass (all of it!)
no AC (unless its a gay later model cup)
majority had RS inlets
no ABS

etc etc

 

[SBV116]

^ No spare

 

[plymcl172]

no engine cover !

 

[mitch1503]

If you get truly geekty theres quite a few bits missing/different

Possibly the most geeky is the 3rd rear belt isn't there. and the windscreen is different


Gearbox is the same speeds but has a speedo sensor.

i have a 3rd rear belt in my cup

 

[Laine_16v]

Are you sure this whole thinner glass business is true? I have the original 172 cup broschure at home, its mentions a lot of weight saving feature, but there is no mention of the glass anywhere.

 

[plymcl172]

yep the glass is lighter/thinner, even your door cards are lighter. where they can they saved on weight including silly things!

 

[LiamR172]

Why does the cup have Fog lights. They must weigh a bit!

 

[Jimbo_M]

Are you sure this whole thinner glass business is true? I have the original 172 cup broschure at home, its mentions a lot of weight saving feature, but there is no mention of the glass anywhere.

100% true so if you own a cup and any of the glass needs replacing i would make sure its the right part for a cup