Pipercross Air filter development for Clio 197

[PIPERX]

Pipercross are currently looking to develop a intake system for the Clio 197.

To do this we require the use of a car for two days. The owner of the car would recieve a intake kit free of charge for there trouble.

If you are intrested in being involved in the development of this system please email me adam@pipercross.com

Many thanks

 

[MCG]

you said this about the 172 and 182 with the vforce, and that never happened, just a load of hype

 

[Neil G]

you said this about the 172 and 182 with the vforce, and that never happened, just a load of hype

Steady on

What did happen to the elaborate 'cabinet' that was the V-force anyway? Has anyone actually brought & fitted one to a 172/182?

 

[PIPERX]

Pipercross developed the Vforce kit for the 182.

Unfortunatly the Vforce kit was precieved by our distibutors as too expensive (RRP £500) and the removed any backing for stocking the Vforce.

This was a great shame as the kit worked realy well.

 

[MRBILLYUK]

It was probably perceived as too expensive by any potential customers as well . After all its only a filter in an enclosed airbox .Why develope a filter / airbox with a price tag thats unrealistic in terms of any performance increase ?At the end of the day you'll only see small gains with any upgraded air filter . Surely you must keep an eye on your what your competitors have to offer in regards to build quality , price etc .....?

 

[PIPERX]

The idea was never to sell them in massive quantities, but hopefully sell more intake kits off the back of the marketing. Anyway I don't make these decisions, I am just the R&D Guy.

If you guys had a hand in developing a intake system for a clio what touches would you like to ad?

 

[-Leigh-]

A 25bhp gain for about £50??

 

[PIPERX]

lol- any thing else,

Are looks important or do you prefer a O.E look?

How about sound? Is louder better or do like a more subtle sound?

 

[GordonD]

The idea was never to sell them in massive quantities, but hopefully sell more intake kits off the back of the marketing. Anyway I don't make these decisions, I am just the R&D Guy.

If you guys had a hand in developing a intake system for a clio what touches would you like to ad?

There are two possible results from changing the induction system. More power. And more noise. All we've seen so far from you is products that promise lots of the former but instead deliver only lots of the latter. How about products that do it the other way around?

 

[-Leigh-]

Trouble is everyone's different, but personally, I'd like good power gains, but have an oe look about it, and have a little induction noise, but not as much as you'd get with say a normal piperx cone filter for example.

 

[Lagerlout]

Make one that looks as good and performs as well as a maxogen for £200. Simple..

 

[MRBILLYUK]

The idea was never to sell them in massive quantities, but hopefully sell more intake kits off the back of the marketing. Anyway I don't make these decisions, I am just the R&D Guy.

If you guys had a hand in developing a intake system for a clio what touches would you like to ad?

I would say the vast majority of people want an upgraded airfilter to give some kind of proven increase in bhp , then you'll always get some people who don't mind sacrificing a few bhp if it sounds better / louder .

What gains did you actually see with the VForce on a clio 172/182 ? Honest answer only

I spoke to the R+D guy at k+n who developed the apollo , he said they saw gains of around 10bhp with just the filter

 

[PIPERX]

If you believe 1 run we actually got 17BHP at peek. But the average was just over the 10BHP.

The most impresive thing was the increase it gave before the engine came on cam.

We were getting around 18-20 BHP through the mid range!

 

[Adey.]

so an air filter that gives better gains than a manifold match and remap? bit suspect

 

[PIPERX]

I can only tell you what the results were. it is now irelvent as the kit is discountinued.

 

[-Leigh-]

so an air filter that gives better gains than a manifold match and remap? bit suspect

If you can maximise the air going into an engine, then the results can be surprising surely? Just look at how turbo and super chargers work. Giving the engine plenty of air increases power by a huge amount.

I know a filter is not forced air induction, but a car travelling at speed surely has some aspect of forced air.

 

[Adey.]

very true, but i also know how easy it is to "adjust" a set of rollers to show gains ;-)

 

[-Leigh-]

very true, but i also know how easy it is to "adjust" a set of rollers to show gains ;-)

This is also true.

 

[munchy106]

My car was the 197 used to make the K&N kits,the apollo kit looks the best as it is coulor codeed to your car,57i had better hp the pear garned 2-4 bhp, i will have them on the car by the end of feb i will be selling the 57i kit if any body wants it let me know.

 

[MRBILLYUK]

My car was the 197 used to make the K&N kits,the apollo kit looks the best as it is coulor codeed to your car,57i had better hp the pear garned 2-4 bhp, i will have them on the car by the end of feb i will be selling the 57i kit if any body wants it let me know.

The k+n apollo is a universal filter . I took mine off because it was choking the engine , the surface area of the apollo was smaller than that of the standard panel filter . With my 182 running the apollo the engine eventually cut out , it also lost the 5k kick and i had to be towed home with the AA .

 

[PIPERX]

munchy106,

Are you a K+N stockest?

Any way back to my orignal question.

Is there a 197 owner out there willing to be involved in the development of a intake kit?

 

[MRBILLYUK]

My car was the 197 used to make the K&N kits,the apollo kit looks the best as it is coulor codeed to your car,57i had better hp the pear garned 2-4 bhp, i will have them on the car by the end of feb i will be selling the 57i kit if any body wants it let me know.

The k+n apollo is a universal filter . I took mine off because it was choking the engine , the surface area of the apollo was smaller than that of the standard panel filter . With my 182 running the apollo the engine eventually cut out , it also lost the 5k kick and i had to be towed home with the AA .

 

[MRBILLYUK]

munchy106,

Are you a K+N stockest?

Any way back to my orignal question.

Is there a 197 owner out there willing to be involved in the development of a intake kit?

Sorry for taking the thread slightly off topic . If you get no luck in here with your search for a 197 you could try on here instead :

http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/community/index.asp

 

[munchy106]

Are you a K+N stockest?

NO i'm not a K&N stockest.

Is there a 197 owner out there willing to be involved in the development of a intake kit?

i would let you use my 197, were are based as i am in manchester.

 

[PIPERX]

We are in northampton

 

[Cushion182]

Might be worth sending Harry Metcalfe at EVO magazine an e-mail. He is running a 197 as long term test car and in the last report said that he would like more power and asked if anyone had any ideas.

It would also be really good marketing for you!


I'll have a viper if it works out! :rasp:

 

[ja.jack]

It'll take more than an air filter to make a 197 more grunty.