Question on the 182

[blink172]

So with the new 182 having the Cup option, does that mean they remove the sound proofing, add in the bench seat and put in thinner glass if you opt for it? One of the lads at work is going to put his name down, but wants to know if the option includes stripping out or whether its just the Supension set up etc.

If not, then the Cup is truly dead. Long live the Cup (2 years manufacture must mean its a contender for classic status)!

 

[Neil82]

Nah they dont offer a stripped out version, anyway the biggest weight savings are the air con and the ABS. I am in 2 minds wether or not to sell my Cup because as you said in a few years I think it will be sought after....

 

[blink172]

I know it would be an arse, but getting both and merging them is probably a good idea. Does that mean the Group N chip(Or other cup only chip) wont work with the 182 if it has all the toys?

 

[paddymph]

my red 172 is rarer!

But no, it doesnt come stripped like that.

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by Neil82cup on 13 December 2003


Nah they dont offer a stripped out version, anyway the biggest weight savings are the air con and the ABS.

Partly right...

The Climate control is a whopping 25kg, but ABS only adds 9kg



Heres a list of the main weight saving areas I got off Renault >>>

- Deletion of air conditioning: 25kg
- Deletion of spare wheel: 17kg
- Deletion of ABS: 9kg
- Noise insulation: 8.5kg
- Deletion of side airbags + leather seats: 4kg
- New wheel rims: 4kg (total)

Theres loads more little bits, but all that adds up to 89kg saved!

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 13 December 2003

Does that mean the Group N chip(Or other cup only chip) wont work with the 182 if it has all the toys?

I wouldnt think so...

 

[jonnyboy]

Quote: Originally posted by Rich-D on 13 December 2003
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- Deletion of spare wheel: 17kg
- Deletion of ABS: 9kg
- Noise insulation: 8.5kg
- Deletion of side airbags + leather seats: 4kg
- New wheel rims: 4kg (total)<BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-fareast-font-family: Times New Roman; mso-bidi-font-family: Times New Roman; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Theres loads more little bits, but all that adds up to 89kg saved!</SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-fareast-font-family: Times New Roman; mso-bidi-font-family: Times New Roman; mso-ansi-language: EN-GB; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"> </SPAN>


182 doesnt come whit a spare either so thats even less of a saving over standard.

Im sure the 182 will be nice but I woundt sell a cup to buy one.

 

[blink172]

Arent those the figures for the cup?

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by blink172 on 13 December 2003

Arent those the figures for the cup?

Yes... Im just pointing out what bits weigh what...

The 182 wont be any lighter than a 172, as it may have the spare removed, but there are other bits added, so will end up being basically the same.

 

[blink172]

Sorry Rich, Jonny confused me, thought he was saying that those were features of the cup option.

 

[Dash]

Damn I went to get the 172 weight from the Renault site but only the 182 is on there now !






TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION



Engine


16-valve, 4-cylinder developed by Renaultsport



Capacity


1998cc



Max Output


182hp & 6,500rpm

Press release ( 6000 rpm)





Max Torque


200Nm ISO (20.7mkg DIN) @ 5,400rpm press release ( 5250 rpm)



Gearbox


5-speed



Speed (approx.)


0-62mph: 7.1 seconds



Top speed


139mph



Brakes Front


280mm



Brakes Rear


238mm



Wheels


16-inch alloys



Tyres


205/45 R16



Weight


1110kg






Clio 2004



Renaultsport 182 inc metallic black/gold










£ 14,900.00


Couldnt find the Cup suspension prices?

 

[Rich-D]

Dash -

The mk2 172 weighs 1110kg too, and the max torque rpm is wrong on there too, so me thinks they just copied the 172 page and changed a few bits...

We wont know for sure until theyre here!

 

[Dash]

Yes there does seem to be a figures difference. Cliosport figures differ also.

Mk2 172





Kerb vehicle weight
1035 kgs

Gross vehicle weight
1490 kgs

ClioSport weighbridge tested vehicle weight
1120 kgs
These measurements were taken from a car with a full tank of fuel and do not include the driver

 

[Rich-D]

The figures on the ClioSport spec show the weight for the mk1 as at the time there was no figure for the mk2, but its deffo 1110kg for the mk2

 

[Dash]

Well it seems we should forget all about figures anyway.

The 182 is way faster than the Cup. Dont underestimate this 182. Try not to race one of these unless you want to get beaten badly.

 

[Rich-D]

Cup will still be the quickest...

 

[blink172]

Isnt the 182 intended to be a Evo/Scooby/Zonda beater. You will just have to install the Halford aluminium table on the roof to keep it down in corners....

 

[Rich-D]

LOL

 

[CUPPY]

how can this 182 be quicker than the cup plus 1mph top speed and slower 0-60??? this car does look very nice though..when can you buy one?

 

[KDF]

Bit of a shame they added a bit more power but more weight.. kinda defeats the purpose.

Rich, did you actually weigh every part from a 172, or manufacturors figures ? or just guestimates.

 

[Dash]

Quote: Originally posted by CUPPY on 13 December 2003

how can this 182 be quicker than the cup plus 1mph top speed and slower 0-60??? this car does look very nice though..when can you buy one?

Dealers are taking orders now. More details http://www.renault.co.ukwww.renault.co.uk

 

[CUPPY]

cheers mate thanks

 

[Rich-D]

Quote: Originally posted by _KDF on 13 December 2003


Rich, did you actually weigh every part from a 172, or manufacturors figures ? or just guestimates.

No, Ive got a copy of a press release from Renault last years about the "new" Cup model and in there it has those weight savings, so they are pukka Renault figures!

 

[KDF]

Ah .. okay, who would have though air-con could be so heavy I think that a cup with aircon is a crime.. you dont buy a car that is designed to be light then fill it up with heavy stuff.. its either one or the other.



Saying that if you have a cup with air-con its your choice, and maybe you bought the cup cause you prefer its looks and werent intersted in the whole wieght thing.

The thing that gets me about the 182 is its heavier yet they got rid off the spare ?? crazy.

 

[Rich-D]

We should probably reserve judgement on the 182 until weve actually seen how quick they are and Ill be able to drive one of the first ones as my mates getting one in...

 

[Ben H]

AFAIK the 182 will come with a "Cup" suspension option. So it wont be a Cup.