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Quote: Originally posted by Tomclio182 on 16 March 2004
Quote: Originally posted by sn00p on 16 March 2004 Quote: Originally posted by dave182 on 16 March 2004 if you are right, then the 172 cup they had on test would also be special which would make it even though?
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Thats what I said, autocar said that their Mk.1 172 "was a freak" (or words to that effect), which kind of leads me to believe that renault are supplying tweaked cars to magazines for review, Im not doubting the fact that the 182 is faster than the 172, if it isnt then theyve done something wrong, all Im saying is that 6.3 seconds sounds far too quick, and until we see real figures from cars here Id be inclined to say that something fishy is going on. (Esp with the their 182 being so close in performance to the V6).
On the other hand if tests here prove it to be true then renault have well and truly grabbed back the king of hot hatches crown and deserve a big pat on the back.
I will however reserve judgement until I see the figures from non-renault supplied test cars
The mk1 was sh*t slow!! it posted an 8.2 (to 60mph) sec test time then the SAME CAR posted a 6.6sec 0-60 at the 0-100-0 test later on that year. (i was there)Man you have no idea what you are talking about.What do you expect them to do to it anyway? fabricate a new exhaust? fit nos? NO! there is no way they could tweak it.That car supplied but the company that runs the press cars for the office had done 200miles when supplied to evo and has been with autocar and them ever since.[/QUOTE]
"there is no way they could tweak it."
Please, enlighten me with your years of experience in engine management software.
I only read that in autocar the other week (Pretty much 100% sure it was autocar) it was in the back of the magazine where they give the vital statistics on cars.
Either renaults figures are wildly out or autocars figures are wildly out, they dont add up.
Tom
ClioSport Club Member
EV (s)
Quote: Originally posted by sn00p on 16 March 2004
"there is no way they could tweak it."
Please, enlighten me with your years of experience in engine management software.
I only read that in autocar the other week (Pretty much 100% sure it was autocar) it was in the back of the magazine where they give the vital statistics on cars.
Either renaults figures are wildly out or autocars figures are wildly out, they dont add up.
Ok i work for a company called tumarc check our website http://www.tumarc.comwww.tumarc.com along with other things we build and supply OBD scan tools and PCM readers/writers for mapping of oem products.
There is no way you could make the 182 significantly faster using a remap without making it noticeable. (fuel consumption would be reduced along with other things)
i have worked for years in car industry and in the field of automotive research.
That good enough?
PS buy this weeks autocar there is a section on the mk1 172 in the back.
Astra VXR 17/05/07
Evo 7.1
Car 7.1
Auto Express 7.1
Autocar 6.3 !!!
So what is right here ? Interesting that the same Autocar has a feature on the 172 claiming 0-60 as 8.2 in its landmark test.
So they are saying the 182 is a s quick in a sprint to 60 as the Focus Rs and R32 Golf and almost quicker by 2 seconds than the 172
Astra VXR 17/05/07
So the 172 figures in the same mag of 8.2 is from a tested car Tom ?
Tom
ClioSport Club Member
EV (s)
Yes. but i have explained that as have autocar.
The car wasnt run it at all but despite this result they ran it as a long termer, a few months later the same car posted a 6.6 to 60 time at the 0-100-0 event later that year. (2000)
The LHD car they tested in france managed a 6.6 to 60 time as they mention.
everyone stop getting all jelous !! This car is newer and has had things developed on it !! They are not gonna make a car with more power that isnt faster, that wouldnt make sense !! Hot hatches are getting faster and faster and the clio is keeping up with pace !! Why people cant believe this is beyond me !!
Im sure when toms has a few more miles on it he will gladly prove to you that it is more than adequate against a cup ( oh no sacrelige )
Quote: Originally posted by cliosportcraig on 17 March 2004
everyone stop getting all jelous !! This car is newer and has had things developed on it !! They are not gonna make a car with more power that isnt faster, that wouldnt make sense !! Hot hatches are getting faster and faster and the clio is keeping up with pace !! Why people cant believe this is beyond me !! Im sure when toms has a few more miles on it he will gladly prove to you that it is more than adequate against a cup ( oh no sacrelige )
hehe... I think the wider issue here is that *when* the figures are proved correct then I suspect renault are going to have some pretty peeved V6 customers, the V6 may look stunning, but imo its not worth £12,000 more for 0.3 seconds extra performance (over 0-60, 0-60 autocar tested times) no matter how gorgeous it looks, maybe they should let the 182 boys have a tinker with the V6?
(prepares fireproof suit)
But you dont buy a V6 for 0-60 !! after 60 the V6 wins hands down !! And the looks are much better !! i wouldnt be peeved !!
un biased view would say that they put the car out of the power band to get a good 0-60 time and forget about the 0-100. 62mph will be the top speed at the limiter in 2nd. peak power I am assuming will be past by then. 0-100 would come down at the expense of a slower 0-60 time. similer thing with the LCR. to accelerate the quickest you need 3rd to get to 60mph. you can do it in 2nd but this would slow the car down for a 0-100mph test
The claimed figures of 7.1 secs are to 100km/h or 62.5 mph.
Rich-D
ClioSport Club Member
E90 LCI 330d
Did you lot actually know that the 182 that Autocar used for these tests is the SAME one that Evo used...
How is it faster?!
Simple, Evo got it from new, had a thrash, did some times, handed it back and then Autocar got it with about 1700 miles (hard ones) on the clock and ran their tests, so it was pre run-in for them.
Cars get faster with more miles on, thats a fact!
A 205Mi16 is capable of 6.3seconds 0-60 with a similar power to weight so its just down to a good launch.
If many people think that they have too much power with FWD @ 180bhp to get less than 7seconds 0-60 due to wheelspin then maybe many people dont have the right technique!!
Also, dont forget they spend hours testing the car to get the best figure.
one thing everyone has forgoten when talking of the speed times and saying its the new hatch king cos of it is the round thing that you turn, and if you dont enjoy the way it turns then no matter how fast it is i dont want it.
ie, power aint everything chaps, its nice but id rather dance on the limit of a crest anyday or catch a 60mph slide off a roundabout anyday too. the feeling of a sweet handling car in the zone is the king. think about it the next time your tunes are whacked up and your really on the pace and everthing is flowing sweet on your favourite road in the sun.
(and then i beep so you can get the hell outa the way!) ha ha
R
rich[182]
just checked the same mags review when they compared the 172 non cup with a CTR, some of the in gear times in 3rd and 4th of the 182 are over a second quicker than the 172, most are approx 1 sec
GW Clio 200
Why is that, because the Cup has better stats from the manufacturer than the 182 perhaps ???
