rs2 manifold

[jordmk2]

Can anyone confirm or denie whether the rs2 is being remade as a site has popped up for them...http://www.rs2intake.co.uk/

 

[Saner]

@Panda. may know, as he has been posting the links?

 

[Panda.]

@jordmk2 I can confirm it's being remade.

 

[Ol’ Tarby]

£695?? Its a lot cheaper than it used to be?

 

[bozothenutter]

interesting...seems like everybody is doing it now....that's like three seperate initiatives now?

 

[Diagro]

Yea 3 versions now.

I know which one i would buy. Unless the Cyclops one was £400 ofc.

 

[Panda.]

interesting...seems like everybody is doing it now....that's like three seperate initiatives now?

This one was first produced around 4 years ago, so is the 'original' if you like..

 

[jordmk2]

what are the other two i've just seen this on another forum sorry i was a little excited when i saw it being remade

 

[aucky]

£695?? Its a lot cheaper than it used to be?

Thats the bare kit though.
For reference, I paid about £1500 for
Kit
Airfilter
Colour choice
Coil pack mount
Uprated engine mounts
Fitted
Mapped

 

[Ol’ Tarby]

This one was first produced around 4 years ago, so is the 'original' if you like..

Are you now somehow in connection with the RS2?

 

[Panda.]

Are you now somehow in connection with the RS2?

Oh - no! lol. I just remember all the original threads about its development etc. And a few people on FB have emailed asking if it's actually happening. Good it is being remade as it looks like a lovely piece of engineering and design!

 

[Diagro]

Thats the bare kit though.
For reference, I paid about £1500 for
Kit
Airfilter
Colour choice
Coil pack mount
Uprated engine mounts
Fitted
Mapped

From what i can see its going to be:

£695 Kit
£45 filter
£45?? Mount?? <no idea>
Fitting Do it your self you lazy buggers
Mapping £300*

*Approx

 

[bozothenutter]

This one was first produced around 4 years ago, so is the 'original' if you like..

I know....I have one!

 

[Fletcher]

Good stuff. I would like a RS2 xtra for my 172.

 

[Diagro]

I know....I have one!

What numbers you getting

 

[bozothenutter]

What numbers you getting

my printout is in my buildthred somewhere, with a milltek and I got 169 atw, and a pancake flat torque curve

http://www.cliosport.net/threads/bozos-182.624133/#post-8432720

 

[Sir_Dave]

This just popped up on facebook:

Looking back through the old RS2 thread, a decent RR showing before and after. Believe it was a Mike Woodfood and/or "that other mapping bloke that got banned" map too...

 

[jordmk2]

cant believe how cheap its going to be compared to orignal

 

[Westyfield2]

Great to see this being remade at a more realistic price!

This £695 core kit looks like "just" the Jenvey intake manifold and the carbon plenum.

The original kit (however many years ago it was!) additionally included:

• Coil Pack Mount
• Uprated engine mounts
• Crankcase breather filter
• Brake servo extension line
• Silicon hose, aliminum coupler, air filter

The original kit was £1299. (Or £170 cheaper if you skipped the engine mounts). Custom colour scheme was an additional £50.
With fitting it was £1585.
And with mapping at RSTuning it was £1795.


Their website says they're going to be making the coil pack mount again. Or alternatively there's the KTEC one.
Lots of people probably already have uprated engine mounts (or new OEM ones).
A crankcase breather filter is easy to sort yourself. Or better still, get a catch can.
The brake vacuum hose you can probably do yourself, assuming that the RS2 manifold still has a 90° coupler on the rear (according to an old post from Mick you just get 8mm speedfit pipe and a single coupler to extend your existing brake servo line to the new manifold).
Air filter / hose from the throttle body will be easy enough too.

 

[Gerben Visser]

Maybe a stupid question, but why were there some uprated engine mounts in the package? It has nothing to do with the inlet manifold I guess?

Did the RS2 always used 1 diameter and length? Or where there different options for diameter and length? Somebody knows what the diameter and length was/is?

Inlet manifold has same shape as the original cylinder head? And if you have a ported head (bigger diameter) you have to grind the manifold yourself?

 

[bozothenutter]

Maybe a stupid question, but why were there some uprated engine mounts in the package? It has nothing to do with the inlet manifold I guess?

the plenum is about a cm from the slam panel, so basically to keep it from hitting it.

 

[Gerben Visser]

Okay, but if you have good engine mounts, there is no problem at all? Or do you need upgrated/stiffer ones?

 

[bozothenutter]

I think there were some ppl running them without, but you'd have to trawl through the old RS2 threads.
I have been running with the uprated mounts for years now.....still love 'm

 

[pingpong]

Lots of people probably already have uprated engine mounts (or new OEM ones).

As above ^ good OEM engine mounts seem to do the job. It's a quality looking piece of kit tbh.

 

[Fletcher]

Okay, but if you have good engine mounts, there is no problem at all? Or do you need upgrated/stiffer ones?

IIRC if your standard ones are fairly new/ in good nic you can get away with using them.

 

[dablk]

I bet anyone who has just sold an original s/h for over a grand is beathing a sigh of rellief.

 

[Westyfield2]

Okay, but if you have good engine mounts, there is no problem at all?

Correct.
People fitted the RS2 manifold with 10 year old worn out engine mounts, and then complained when the manifold moved around with the engine and got damaged.
People seemed to think that you need uprated/stiffer ones, when really you just needed new OEM ones.


TBH ignoring the RS2, half the threads on here are always "I fitted uprated engine mounts and they're amazing"... without realising that it's silly to compare brand new stiffer mounts with worn out OEMs.

 

[bozothenutter]

@Gerben just remebered something......it might be worth reading through all the old post on the RS2, as there was some discussion about them not always working as well as hoped with hotter cams, and you have Shricks right?
They did seem to work well with the specially timed 197/200 cams (it this timing still a secret?) going past 200bhp at the cost of a little torque lower down.

 

[aucky]

@Gerben just remebered something......it might be worth reading through all the old post on the RS2, as there was some discussion about them not always working as well as hoped with hotter cams, and you have Shricks right?
They did seem to work well with the specially timed 197/200 cams (it this timing still a secret?) going past 200bhp at the cost of a little torque lower down.

They require pretty darn high rpm to crack 200bhp iirc.

 

[mark123]

Correct.
People fitted the RS2 manifold with 10 year old worn out engine mounts, and then complained when the manifold moved around with the engine and got damaged.
People seemed to think that you need uprated/stiffer ones, when really you just needed new OEM ones.


TBH ignoring the RS2, half the threads on here are always "I fitted uprated engine mounts and they're amazing"... without realising that it's silly to compare brand new stiffer mounts with worn out OEMs.

Did one ever actually get damaged?
I had one of the first RS2 manifolds and they advised uprated mounts from the start (I already had them). The clearance between the fan shroud and plenum was tiny. I cut away some of the shroud to be safe.
I've had new Renault mounts and new K-tec ones and there is a significant difference in how much you can rock the engine by hand.

 

[bozothenutter]

They require pretty darn high rpm to crack 200bhp iirc.

just looked at some old posts.....7.5K ...so might be wise to put some ARP bolts in....:tonguewink:

 

[dangerous dave]

The rs2 looks the absolute daddy, that's a seriously nice piece of production and a really professional install...

I'm gonna be waiting for this to hit the market again..

 

[Mr R.]

This just popped up on facebook:

My ph1 made 192.1 bhp and 160 lbs ft with 421's, standard airbox with a itg filter and that was on RS Tuning rollers.

 

[car.crash]

What did it make in std form?

 

[debussetti]

Yess! This is what I'm talking about.
Wanted one of these for a while but could never justify the cost, this could be right up my street.

 

[Mr R.]

What did it make in std form?

171.8 bhp and that was on tour de force rollers after I bought the car about 4 year's ago now.

 

[imprezaworks]

So to get the best out of this you would need more aggressive cams at £xyz to benefit

 

[Panda.]

According to "that banned mapper" on FB:

"Best cams for the RS2 are standard ones retimed IMHO.
Makes more power from 2K-7K than the 197 ones do. The 197 ones hit a higher peak figure, but they are only better for the last 500rpm and with such a wide ratio gearbox thats just not a good trade off IMHO"

 

[bozothenutter]

According to "that banned mapper" on FB:

"Best cams for the RS2 are standard ones retimed IMHO.
Makes more power from 2K-7K than the 197 ones do. The 197 ones hit a higher peak figure, but they are only better for the last 500rpm and with such a wide ratio gearbox thats just not a good trade off IMHO"

interesting...retimed to what?

 

[imprezaworks]

So let's say mine

Standard Airbox with k&n filter
Ktec stealth with cat and centre silencer, although I an looking to decat.

Throw this manifold on, get it mapped properly. Rough (won't hold you to it, lol) estimate on increases?