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172 Cup
This thread helped me no end so thanks to previous posters. Here's a photo of my install, little bracket made up that uses the holes in the trinket tray...
Sorry to necro an old thread yet again, but this really has been the best source of Clio specific info when fitting Spa gauges, and in the interest of keeping it all together it seems best to add to this one!
My 2p:
You DO need a 3/8 BSPP to 1/8 BSPP adaptor. That's parallel threads on both sides of the adaptor. I bought them from RS Online (http://uk.rs-online.com/web/) at £8 for a bag of 5 adaptors. It was the cheapest place I could find them in the correct spec. I've still got four spare, so PM me if you want/need just one or two, save you buying a whole bag! It's not good practice to mix and match threads. Will it work? Possibly, but why bother risking it for the sake of a few quid and having a poorly functioning gauge? Threads have tolerances; one persons may go in without causing damage and create a seal, someone else's may not due to the machining tolerances involved, so it's poor advice to follow, as everyone may have different luck.
The bulkhead hole where the bonnet release goes through will fit the pressure connector through it. You don't need to drill anything if you don't want to. I modified the rubber grommet to allow my (3) cables to pass through the top of it and then refitted it. It's a bit fiddly, but it costs £0 and it works. It also keeps most of the cabling out of the way of other things.
Take the power source from the ciggy 12v live, it's yellow and orange (2003 172 is my model). If you install in the dash clock area, you can use the earthing point where the main loom screws into the dashboard support bars very easily. A 5.3mm ring connector will do the job, but try to get a flat one without the plastic connector over the crimp etc as all the others are big/flat and it won't tighten down nicely on the screw if you don't. It's really easy to get to and very easy to run a wire from, especially if you're stripped out. It's also fused separately given its for the accessories etc so you don't need to worry about it if the gauge causes an issue the car will still drive fine.
I used a Mocal sender adaptor plate, it had 2 x 1/8 NPT and 1x 3/8 BSPP (Parallel) ports as mentioned somewhere else in the thread. Good bit of kit! Bought from Merlin Motorsport.
If you're fitting a coolant temp sensor, by far and away the easiest option is to buy another thermostat housing and get a 1/8 NPT weld on ally boss from Merlin Motorsport. Take it to a shop or fit it yourself if you've got the skills. If you look at the housing, there's a fairly self evident area suitable for drilling a hole very near to the OEM sender.
My 2p:
You DO need a 3/8 BSPP to 1/8 BSPP adaptor. That's parallel threads on both sides of the adaptor. I bought them from RS Online (http://uk.rs-online.com/web/) at £8 for a bag of 5 adaptors. It was the cheapest place I could find them in the correct spec. I've still got four spare, so PM me if you want/need just one or two, save you buying a whole bag! It's not good practice to mix and match threads. Will it work? Possibly, but why bother risking it for the sake of a few quid and having a poorly functioning gauge? Threads have tolerances; one persons may go in without causing damage and create a seal, someone else's may not due to the machining tolerances involved, so it's poor advice to follow, as everyone may have different luck.
The bulkhead hole where the bonnet release goes through will fit the pressure connector through it. You don't need to drill anything if you don't want to. I modified the rubber grommet to allow my (3) cables to pass through the top of it and then refitted it. It's a bit fiddly, but it costs £0 and it works. It also keeps most of the cabling out of the way of other things.
Take the power source from the ciggy 12v live, it's yellow and orange (2003 172 is my model). If you install in the dash clock area, you can use the earthing point where the main loom screws into the dashboard support bars very easily. A 5.3mm ring connector will do the job, but try to get a flat one without the plastic connector over the crimp etc as all the others are big/flat and it won't tighten down nicely on the screw if you don't. It's really easy to get to and very easy to run a wire from, especially if you're stripped out. It's also fused separately given its for the accessories etc so you don't need to worry about it if the gauge causes an issue the car will still drive fine.
I used a Mocal sender adaptor plate, it had 2 x 1/8 NPT and 1x 3/8 BSPP (Parallel) ports as mentioned somewhere else in the thread. Good bit of kit! Bought from Merlin Motorsport.
If you're fitting a coolant temp sensor, by far and away the easiest option is to buy another thermostat housing and get a 1/8 NPT weld on ally boss from Merlin Motorsport. Take it to a shop or fit it yourself if you've got the skills. If you look at the housing, there's a fairly self evident area suitable for drilling a hole very near to the OEM sender.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
Massive bump, but where did you get the 3/8bsp male to 1/8bsp female adaptor Mark?
Looked everywhere and all the 1/8 sides are bspt (tapered not parallel).
M.C..
ClioSport Club Member
I will have a look at my reciepts tomorrow and see if I can find it.
It may have been from our local hydraulic suppliers.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
I've found some now mate, cheers.
One question though, which way have you routed the wiring around the engine bay? Mine will be here this week so I'll be looking to fit it soon.
M.C..
ClioSport Club Member
Mine is in a some conduit and then routed in the tray with the other cables to the right of the engine.
Hard to see but if you follow the cable you can sort of make it out.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
Looks good.
M.C..
ClioSport Club Member
yes have a stat plate and a sender plate like this I can try and find the part number if you want?
Mocal Billet Sandwich Plate for Sensor fitting from Merlin Motorsport
Mocal Billet Sandwich Plate. Aluminium Billet sandwich plate designed to fit between the engine block and oil filter to facillitate the fitment of oil temperature and oil pressure senders.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
No need to double stack.
HEL do a sandwich plate which has ports for sensors and also lines for an oil cooler.
It's thermostatic too.
HEL do a sandwich plate which has ports for sensors and also lines for an oil cooler.
It's thermostatic too.
VenomUK
ClioSport Club Member
Clio 172
Glad you mentioned it was a stat one as I was looking at that one too.yes have a stat plate and a sender plate like this I can try and find the part number if you want?
Mocal Billet Sandwich Plate for Sensor fitting from Merlin Motorsport
Mocal Billet Sandwich Plate. Aluminium Billet sandwich plate designed to fit between the engine block and oil filter to facillitate the fitment of oil temperature and oil pressure senders.www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk
Do you happen to have a link please?
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
Hel Performance Thermostatic Oil Filter Sandwich Plate with Two 1/8th NPT Ports - Universal
Hel Performance Thermostatic Oil Filter Sandwich Plates allow the user to route the oil cooler hoses either straight or at a 45 degree angle, which is useful in tight engine bays where there isn't much room to route the oil hose lines. Equipped with reliable built-in thermostat that prevents oil...
www.rivalmotorsport.co.uk
172 Ph1
I chose a Torques unit , non thermostatic , the sensor position suited perfectly for me as not so close to the main pipe connections.
It has 2 sensor outlets.
It has 2 sensor outlets.
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
What are people doing about filters when using sarnie plates and coolers?
M.C..
ClioSport Club Member
The filter just fits on the end as normal
Krarl
ClioSport Club Member
Aye was looking at the one above. Looks to have a port plugged where the filter would usually be put
172 Ph1
No need to worry guys - filter is on and filters the oil on way to cooler [emoji1303]
172 Ph1
Ha ha at fancy pants 🩲 made me laugh. I think the unit is a mocal one , I purchased it a long time ago .
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172 Ph1
I think the norm is 13 row .
Well I think mine is that .
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JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
13 row is fine for NA.
I'd go 19 row for boosted.
I'd go 19 row for boosted.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
AN8 lines over AN10 as well IMO.
Less pressure drop.
Less pressure drop.
Keith185
ClioSport Club Member
Hel Performance Thermostatic Oil Filter Sandwich Plate with Two 1/8th NPT Ports - Universal
Hel Performance Thermostatic Oil Filter Sandwich Plates allow the user to route the oil cooler hoses either straight or at a 45 degree angle, which is useful in tight engine bays where there isn't much room to route the oil hose lines. Equipped with reliable built-in thermostat that prevents oil...
Does the above Hel sandwich plates takeoffs for sensors work fine prior to the thermostatic plate opening?
Photos aren't the greatest being all black and text make out like the pair of outlets/inlets are same just orientated at right angles.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
I would imagine so, as the thermostat is never fully closed. There is always some oil flowing through.
JamesBryan
ClioSport Club Member
Mine has been fine for a few years now.
