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stick your vipers up your a***!!!
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You have to admit that 350quid for an air filter is a lot of money, I think its a good thing trying to find a cheaper alternative, for all we know there could be a filter system out there almost as good as the maxogen for half the price, and if there was, then it would be ideal for those people who arent going all out on modifying their clio's, as I'm sure the majority of people who modify their clios would not get the best out of a maxogen anyway.
Nissan 350Z
I'll be going for a simota i think. I dont really care what anyone thinks. It looks like a reasonable product for not too much cash. I really dont care about the 1 or 2 bhp a maxogen might add, i am doing it mainly for the sound. I dont want to lose any power though, and i do know from popping the bonnet after a thrash that the battery area is MUCH cooler than next to the engine. I really cant see that it could lose any power over stock.
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rich[182]
The Hillpower kit according to Nick's website saw good gains in bhp and torque and got more than enough extra air in to result in a very lean mixture
Everyone I know thats run one has said it looks quality, fits perfect and sounds incredible, better response and its almost sealed as well, reckon its prob best compromise too
http://www.hillpower.co.uk/newclio172.html
Everyone I know thats run one has said it looks quality, fits perfect and sounds incredible, better response and its almost sealed as well, reckon its prob best compromise too
http://www.hillpower.co.uk/newclio172.html
len_beach
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E92 M3,172 track car
A mate of mine bought this exact kit for his 2.2 Vectra DTI around 3 years ago. It cost him 19.99 LOL. he binned (literally) after 10 days.jon 172 said:i bought this at trax its a simota and fits my clio 172 its tight fit but does go on i took it off on the 1st ride out as its too much of a roar with the cat back magnex its still in the box with plastice bag open to offers
Just buy a panel filter and replace the acoustic valve with a length of induction hose. Job done for £45.
not all high performance clios have vipers on them bb performance have a green ktec have a powertec a couple of over 200bhp have k&n and i think yozza has an open one as well!!! i dont recall anyone with massive spec clios having either a viper or maxogen....as said on this forum many times two options 1) panel filter upgrade WITH GOOD AIR FEED 2) open induction kit WITH GOOD AIR FEED!!!
thank you and good evening lol
thank you and good evening lol
BLACK 197!!
kullycliosport said:
Yup i agree when i made the post that was the first subject that came into my head..i have had K+N's and Pipercross in the past but didnt really think much of them..but this one really has blown me away.
After drivin the car quite hard and fast for about 30miles or so and then stopped to fill up my washers i had a quick feel of the filter and it didnt seem to absorbing any heat of the engine at all i dnt have any fancy cold air feeds i just modified the standard ones to sit perfectly at the filter.
Everyone has there own opinion and i would say if you dont have £200 odd to spend on an induction kit this really is a good buy at jus over £100 available from www.dpmotorsport.com
im still trying to get a video to put up of the sound..
just run it through your head ---380 on a filter for around 1-2 bhp increase that to be honest HAS NEVER BEEN PROVED ON A ROLLING ROAD as fare as i am aware it is all asbo there is no doubt the qaulity of the maxogen kit but can anyone prove it is better than the rest and is justified in that kind of price tag!! .. this is not bittnerness cos i cant afford one but it just seems very silly to me...unless you are talking serious wonger of around 1-3k you are only looking at around 40bhp increase..why dont we leave these engines alone they are fast enough lol..love you all lots xxx
clidge said:
http://www.itgairfilters.com/downloads/clio172.pdf
That's without a remap.
If you're not getting a remap etc then I wouldn't bother with an IK. I know that my Maxogen has improved the performance of my car. Whether or not the difference justifies the cost is a personal thing (although I only paid Viper money for mine).
When will people on this site stop talking about something they know nothing about?
Oh and if you ask BenR (Angelworks Technologies) which induction kit he sells, which do you think it is? A simota? K and N perhaps? A Viper?
Like f**k does he.
I've also seen Mark Fish prepared cars that use the Maxogen.
BLACK 197!!
Laingo said:http://www.itgairfilters.com/downloads/clio172.pdf
That's without a remap.
If you're not getting a remap etc then I wouldn't bother with an IK. I know that my Maxogen has improved the performance of my car. Whether or not the difference justifies the cost is a personal thing (although I only paid Viper money for mine).
When will people on this site stop talking about something they know nothing about?
Oh and if you ask BenR (Angelworks Technologies) which induction kit he sells, which do you think it is? A simota? K and N perhaps? A Viper?
Like f**k does he.
I've also seen Mark Fish prepared cars that use the Maxogen.
am i bovered!!
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rich[182]
Below is from Hillpower, Standard 172 + IK + GrpN ECU, done on RR, See no reason why Nick of all people would get this wrong
From air scoop to throttle body our induction kit has been engineered for a reason, to get more air into the engine. So much so that when tested, we found the emissions had fallen very low (lean mixture).
Not such a good thing but excellent for development as we were seeing of up to 4bhp at the wheels indicating that if we increased the fuelling and ignition we would see even better gains.
For this reason we would only recommend fitting the kit if you intend to have the management system modified as well.
Development of the stage 1 kit was under taken on customer vehicles some of which were modified more than once to achieve our end goal. Customers were asked to obtain independent rolling road tests and graphs of, at the wheels figure, at the flywheel figure, torque and emissions before and after the modifications so that we would see unbiased results.
From the results we have now got a stage 1 kit, which, while not specifically set up for each individual vehicle on the rolling road, (to keep the cost of the kit down and we found only a small increase in power in certain areas when set up specifically) shows gains of approx 12 to 16 bhp at the wheels, Torque increases have show a max of between 12 to 16 lbs ft at peak and above 7 to 9 lbs ft through out the rev range with a healthy gain below 4,000 rpm.
The torque curve is also a lot flatter giving a smooth acceleration and better response.
Timed over a quarter of a mile with an AP22 acceleration tester the stage 1 kit was almost a second faster than std.
From air scoop to throttle body our induction kit has been engineered for a reason, to get more air into the engine. So much so that when tested, we found the emissions had fallen very low (lean mixture).
Not such a good thing but excellent for development as we were seeing of up to 4bhp at the wheels indicating that if we increased the fuelling and ignition we would see even better gains.
For this reason we would only recommend fitting the kit if you intend to have the management system modified as well.
Development of the stage 1 kit was under taken on customer vehicles some of which were modified more than once to achieve our end goal. Customers were asked to obtain independent rolling road tests and graphs of, at the wheels figure, at the flywheel figure, torque and emissions before and after the modifications so that we would see unbiased results.
From the results we have now got a stage 1 kit, which, while not specifically set up for each individual vehicle on the rolling road, (to keep the cost of the kit down and we found only a small increase in power in certain areas when set up specifically) shows gains of approx 12 to 16 bhp at the wheels, Torque increases have show a max of between 12 to 16 lbs ft at peak and above 7 to 9 lbs ft through out the rev range with a healthy gain below 4,000 rpm.
The torque curve is also a lot flatter giving a smooth acceleration and better response.
Timed over a quarter of a mile with an AP22 acceleration tester the stage 1 kit was almost a second faster than std.
ja.jack said:
I know what Elucidate means - Hence why the sentence 'Elucidate us' makes no sense.
The only thing I've ever displayed any irrational sycophantic behaviour towards is your mum. And it's me that gets recompensed for f**king her. :approve: :dapprove: :clown:
Are you prepared to offer any reasoning as to the reason why induction kits suck? Or is that a pun?
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lol pretty sick s**t anyway...
CAN ANYONE PROOVE WITH RR RESULTS THAT THE MAXOGEN IT THE BEST INDUCTION KIT FOR ALL ASPECTS..not bee proven yet....i spoke to nick at hillpower his comments were that the maxogen and viper etc are over priced for the product and he has converted 3 people from maxogens to his set up with improved rr results.
JUST COS YOU PAID BIG BUCKS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS THE BEST!!
no go back to f**king his mother and leave us in peace lol
CAN ANYONE PROOVE WITH RR RESULTS THAT THE MAXOGEN IT THE BEST INDUCTION KIT FOR ALL ASPECTS..not bee proven yet....i spoke to nick at hillpower his comments were that the maxogen and viper etc are over priced for the product and he has converted 3 people from maxogens to his set up with improved rr results.
JUST COS YOU PAID BIG BUCKS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS THE BEST!!
no go back to f**king his mother and leave us in peace lol
I give up. If you can prove to me that a guy in a shed in appleby magma (and I don't mean that disrespectfully to Nick, he's a top bloke and very good at what he does) can design and produce a better airbox than one of the world leading induction technologies specialists then I'll go and buy a Hillpower kit. Tomorrow.
I'm not saying the Maxogen is perfect, but the design is better than anything on the market.
Hell maybe Renault F1 will change from using ITG nad have Hillpower emblazoned on the 2007 car?
AND I DIDN'T PAY BIG BUCKS! I PAID LESS THAN £300 FOR THE FUL KIT!!!
I'm not saying the Maxogen is perfect, but the design is better than anything on the market.
Hell maybe Renault F1 will change from using ITG nad have Hillpower emblazoned on the 2007 car?
AND I DIDN'T PAY BIG BUCKS! I PAID LESS THAN £300 FOR THE FUL KIT!!!
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rich[182]
Whats the big deal with this Maxogen lol, you'd think it had been designed by NASA using alien technology from area 51
The ITG filter used in the kit can be bought for £51 from merlinmotorsport, its then got an inlet elbow thats not rocket science and they can be had for less than £50, so wheres the other £275 come from ? (based on RRP)
What can possibly have been done to some carbon looking thing that is the same shape as a plastic watering can from B&Q to put this streets ahead of everything else
Matched inlets at half the price is soooooooo much better bhp v price compared to the Maxogen surely it's a frickin' no brainer :sleepy:
The ITG filter used in the kit can be bought for £51 from merlinmotorsport, its then got an inlet elbow thats not rocket science and they can be had for less than £50, so wheres the other £275 come from ? (based on RRP)
What can possibly have been done to some carbon looking thing that is the same shape as a plastic watering can from B&Q to put this streets ahead of everything else
Matched inlets at half the price is soooooooo much better bhp v price compared to the Maxogen surely it's a frickin' no brainer :sleepy:
You right about the inlets. But I've got both. And it's not carbon look. It's carbon fibre.
Another numpty who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Do you thik the waternig can shape is something they just came up whilst looking out the window?
http://www.itgairfilters.com/airboxes.asp?section=maxogenairboxes
And I'm fed up of saying i didn't (and wouldn't) pay full price for mine. I'm not arguing they are not expensive. I'm merely trying to argue that they are the best on the market.
Another numpty who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. Do you thik the waternig can shape is something they just came up whilst looking out the window?
http://www.itgairfilters.com/airboxes.asp?section=maxogenairboxes
And I'm fed up of saying i didn't (and wouldn't) pay full price for mine. I'm not arguing they are not expensive. I'm merely trying to argue that they are the best on the market.
Trophy #473
viper and maxogens are soooo over priced, i had a look at a mates viper the other night and took the end off to see the filter and laughed, looked like someone had glued some tights to the inside. maxogen looks nice... but i wouldnt pay 350 notes for one
GOOD OLD PANEL FILTER.
but that simota seems very reasonable compaired to the above.
nathan
GOOD OLD PANEL FILTER.
but that simota seems very reasonable compaired to the above.
nathan
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