Super High Power Exhaust Systems!

[levaz]

gotta get me some of these!
Maybe they use the same dyno as k-tec?


http://www.vortex-performance-exhausts.co.uk/raceflo

borrowed from their performance claims page.
[h=2]Vortex Compared with other Exhaust systems[/h]

Exhaust	Power BHP	Vortex is x better	TORQUE NM	Vortex is x better
Vortex	+14		25
Mongoose	+2	7x	1.5	16x
Powerflow	-1	n/a	1.5	16x
Janspeed	+2.5	5.6x	3	8.33x
Wolfrace	+1	14x	3.1	8x
Scorpion	+1	14x	2	12.5x
Blue Flame	+0.5	28x	1.6	15.6x
Mangex	-1	n/a	2.2	6.4x
Quicksilver	+1.5	9.3x	2.9	4.8x
Pro drive	+2	7x	3.1	4.5x

The test car was a Subaru STi 2005
The Vortex Raceflo was used to replace the rear box of the standard exhaust system and was compared to full cat back systems from the above manufacturers. no modifications were made to the ECT



[h=2]Hot Hatches Improvements[/h]

Exhaust	Power (BHP)	Torque (NM)
Vehicle type	Before	After	Increase	Before	After	Increase
Vauxhall Nova 1200	119	145	26	95	110	15 < for SRS?!?
Vauxhall Astra 1.6 Sport	174	197	23	228	232	4
VW Golf 1800T	150	225	75	130	240	110
BMW 120d	160	220	60	250	293	43
Ford Escort Cosworth RS	228	253	25	226	247	21

Tests carried out before and after fitting a Vortex™ muffler into the main silencer with no other modifcations







[h=2]Sports Car Improvements[/h]

Exhaust	Power (BHP)	Torque (NM)
Vehicle type	Before	After	Increase	Before	After	Increase
Lotus Elise S	135	149	14	125	142	17
Audi TT	180	240	60	173	248	75
Mitsubishi EVO 7	280	305	25	282	323	41
Subaru sti	302	322	20	280	334	54
BMW M3	410	442	32	292	338	46
Aston Martin Vanquish S	445	471	26	406	454	48

Tests carried out before and after fitting a Vortex™ muffler into the main silencer with no other modifcations

 

[Brett]

Yeah, sure.

Tell you what, if those gains are real I'll get one for my 182 and go out chasing down Focus RS's...

 

[DrR]

Nova's has 1200cc 145BHP engines as standard?

 

[Carbonraider]

Ha just looked at there page..

2001 vauxhall nova before 119 after 145

2001 golf 150 before 225 after

2001 vauxhall nova wtf! When? As for the golf 75bhp from a exhaust system f**k me.. Hmm are ktec teaming up with this company?

 

[Rob_Kipper]

Haha never heard so much crap in my life.

1200cc nova 119bhp?
Astra 1.6 174bhp?

Awesome

 

[BIGASH]

Lol that company started to follow me on twitter last night I lol'd at the time

 

[LiamR172]

DISCLAIMER : Whilst every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the above information, mistakes can occur. Do not rely on this web site entirely. Please check with a member of staff if there are any details which you may be relying on in making a purchasing decision.

 

[Adam G]

No figures for a 172?
Got to be 210 at least.

 

[levaz]

DISCLAIMER : Whilst every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the above information, mistakes can occur. Do not rely on this web site entirely. Please check with a member of staff if there are any details which you may be relying on in making a purchasing decision.

I think the mistake would be purchasing one

 

[levaz]

No figures for a 172?
Got to be 210 at least.

Pfff, on a weak engine, a good healthy one would give 233 easily! We've got 2 litres! They got 26bhp out of a 1.2 nova!

 

[ben lee]

the hot hatches are tuned rally/race cars.
a friend fitted one to his 3.0l vectra went from 220bhp to 232bhp on an independt set of rollers.
on the clio standerd cars
View Reasons to tune your vehicle with Vortex™

		Horsepower(BHP)	Topspeed(MPH)	Torque
Model	Engine Size	Before	After	Before	After	Before	After	Price
Clio 1.5 dci 100PS	1,461	99	118 (+19%)	115	116 (+1%)	200	250 (+25%)	£600.00 (Inc Vat)
Clio 1.5 dCi 101PS	1,461	99	118 (+19%)	115	119 (+3%)	200	250 (+25%)	£600.00 (Inc Vat)
Clio Sport 2.0 16V	1,998	177	188 (+6%)	138	140 (+1%)	200	2150 (+975%)	£600.00 (Inc Vat)
Clio 1.5 dCi 82 PS	1,461	80	99 (+23%)	109	113 (+4%)	185	250 (+35%)	£600.00 (Inc Vat)
Clio 1.5 dCi 65 PS	1,461	64	84 (+30%)	101	106 (+5%)	160	250 (+56%)	£600.00 (Inc Vat)
Clio 1.9 dTi	1,870	78	101 (+30%)	108	116 (+7%)	190	240 (+26%)	£500.00 (Inc Vat)
Clio 1,2T	1,149	99	118 (+19%)	115	121 (+5%)	145	170 (+17%)	£600.00 (Inc Vat)

 

[Steven103]

WAIT WAIT WAIT, that's not the best bit... watch the video on their homepage!


"If you have a turbo, a Vortex Raceflo will eliminate turbolag"

and the "patented technology vacuums exhaust gases out at high speed"

Not forgetting the Clio 182 remap which gains 975% NM of torque... ( http://www.vortex-performance-exhausts.co.uk/ecutuning/renault/clio/ )

 

[Chip-mk1]

Never heard of them but going by their name Is it another spinny thing that claims it generates vortex's?

 

[Jaff.]

Didn't ed china put a vortex system on a car they were doing up?

 

[aucky]

Didn't ed china put a vortex system on a car they were doing up?

On the AC Cobra rep iirc

 

[Fred@BTM]

load of old b****cks, if it were true F1 cars would have 8 of them

 

[The Fatty]

who needs a turbo when you can get a torque of 2150lb/ft with one of these!! lol.

 

[Adam G]

Because I'd need 20 driveshafts to get to work and back every day

 

[Luke.]

Haha.. Jeeez

 

[john182rs]

Well I have sent them an email asking for more information.

IF i was able to get hold of a complete system from them, who would want to fit and test it on a rolling road?

 

[LiamR172]

Well I have sent them an email asking for more information.

IF i was able to get hold of a complete system from them, who would want to fit and test it on a rolling road?

I emailed yesterday.

He phoned me today thanking me for informing him that theres no such thing as a 2001 nova.

He then went on to tell me that all the figures are true because they have been tested out on a rolling road.
They cant possibly be wrong, if they were the company would be in 'big trouble' for advertising fake figures.

I asked about a vortex for a 172 and he said..

We put the vortext on the back box on the clios because they are lowered.

Wtf

 

[Simon@SprayShack]

LOL this smells of epic fail.

 

[Cookson]

We put the vortext on the back box on the clios because they are lowered.

WTF indeed, lol

 

[Chip-mk1]

Actually he has a valid point that there is restricted space where the centre box is, I've just made a custom exhaust for a 172 and even a 125mm round silencer was a squeeze!

doesnt stop the product being nonsense of course but he is right about where it will fit or not.

 

[levaz]

so who's ordered one??

and when's the RR day booked for?

 

[The Fatty]

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[john182rs]

Actually he has a valid point that there is restricted space where the centre box is, I've just made a custom exhaust for a 172 and even a 125mm round silencer was a squeeze!

doesnt stop the product being nonsense of course but he is right about where it will fit or not.

Surely they'll be screwed if some one does buy their system and has a RR graph of before fitment and then after fitment to realise that they would only be getting 1-2bhp or even -2bhp over standard figures.

Take it back to the company and have them done for false advertisement, misleading figures, blind sighted representation etc etc....

 

[Fred@BTM]

sounds familiar does that john!

 

[Chip-mk1]

Surely they'll be screwed if some one does buy their system and has a RR graph of before fitment and then after fitment to realise that they would only be getting 1-2bhp or even -2bhp over standard figures.

Take it back to the company and have them done for false advertisement, misleading figures, blind sighted representation etc etc....

They are saying they made that power including a remap, so I guess they would point to your remap not being good enough to support the exhaust, or down to a fault with your car or the rollers, would be really hard to take to court, especially as all gains are normally "up to" for this sort of thing.
But I did notice on the site they actually totally stupidly worded it as :

With a Vortex™ raceflo exhaust you'll get at least a 10% increase in brake horse power (BHP), and more than a 15% increase in torque (NM)

But then they also say:

DISCLAIMER : Whilst every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the above information, mistakes can occur. Do not rely on this web site entirely. Please check with a member of staff if there are any details which you may be relying on in making a purchasing decision.

So down to the judge on the day I would imagine!

 

[Martin_172]

ive got one of these type things bolted onto my exhaust manifold...

 

[LiamR172]

I asked about the disclaimer while on the phone. He said that was for typos like a 2001 nova. Not the gains.

Although they will say that in court.

Also said that these were all done on standard cars.
Not sure if the website says that as i didnt read it all.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I asked about the disclaimer while on the phone. He said that was for typos like a 2001 nova. Not the gains.

Although they will say that in court.

Also said that these were all done on standard cars.
Not sure if the website says that as i didnt read it all.

Highest bhp nova road car EVER as standard was the 1600 GTE/GSI with 100bhp.

They are saying a 1200 was well over that before they even started.

SMOKING CRACK!

 

[LiamR172]

Lol.. if you said that before then i would of mentioned that on the phone!
Email and say?

 

[Chip-mk1]

I forget not everyone has a completely nerdy obsessive knowledge of novas, I just assumed everyone realised, lol

 

[davo172]

75bhp increase on a mk4 gti !!! FFS !!!! I am still f**king laughing and have read all the thread !!!!

 

[davo172]

I emailed yesterday.

He phoned me today thanking me for informing him that theres no such thing as a 2001 nova.

He then went on to tell me that all the figures are true because they have been tested out on a rolling road.
They cant possibly be wrong, if they were the company would be in 'big trouble' for advertising fake figures.

I asked about a vortex for a 172 and he said..

We put the vortext on the back box on the clios because they are lowered.

Wtf

Did he say how much this miracle costs for a clio may get one instead of goin the turbo route should arrive at the same figure LOL

 

[LiamR172]

Lol. Yeah it would seem to be a better option.

I should of prepared some questions but he cought me off guard!

 

[Drafting]

When I worked for a race team, we ran vortex systems and found a whopping 12bhp extra using these on a fiesta st! We did before and after RR back to back on the same day to prove!
I can't guarantee all what they say, but they did work for us!

 

[LiamR172]

When I worked for a race team, we ran vortex systems and found a whopping 12bhp extra using these on a fiesta st! We did before and after RR back to back on the same day to prove!
I can't guarantee all what they say, but they did work for us!

Trolling arent you

 

[Drafting]

Nope! Honestly!
We were running miltek systems originally, which is a far cheaper option! But the gains were clear and so all cars now run vortex systems! That's 4 senior cars and 3 junior cars.
Wouldnt be running them otherwise!