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The everlasting ph1 ITB Build **GREEN-BUILD STARTS AT PAGE 100**



Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:
So Sunday saw the day when we aimed to fire the car up. I was bricking it to be honest. It has sat for about 8 years as an engine so I didn't know what to think would happen although it has currently held all its fluids and Chris had previously mentioned that compression seemed good.

There were a couple of things to do/check first before we tried to fire it up. First thing was to fit the Yozzasport decat pipe in an attempt to quieten it down just a little bit on starting. With a new Renault fitting kit and some awkward knuckle scraping we got this on.

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Next up was to take the battery off the c-tek charger, check the Armteck battery isolator was wired correctly and then wire the battery into the car.
With this all done we set to the starting procedure. First up was to check the electrics:

Pressing 'on' and the dash lit up and the fuel pump kicked in, it was awesome seeing it come into life, by the fact this worked meant the external cut-off button was working (it won't run without it, but we checked it anyways and we then checked the lights...
Indicators all good, 1 rear bulb out I think and the rear numberplate light isn't working - I will look at that in due course. The headlights also worked but we had wired them up slightly wrong so the car looked crosseyed, easy to sort and a switch of pins in the connectors saw them all good.

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Next up was some of the other items, mainly the wiper. This wasn't playing ball and shorted, blowing the fuse. I have not had chance to look at this yet but it may be something that gets sorted in the snag list later on.

Whilst myself and James were chatting it was thought that we would not be able to start the car as the fuelling map would not know what to do however whilst sorting the previously mentioned headlights we notice that fuel was indeed being pumped to the fuel rail, this was evident not only by smell but a small leak.

Having made up the fuel lines myself I was convinced it was me error, but it appeared not. My connections were good and it happened to be the fact that the connection was between a soft connector and a steel fuel rail. A lot of mopping up and cleaning the threads on both items before re-tightening seemed to solve the issue.

This pretty much meant everything should be ok to turn the car over, however the battery was not playing ball and as we had bean sorting testing all the other elements it had ran out of juice and we had nothing else to support it with. It may be shot as it has been stood for a long period, again something else that may have to be on the snag list.

After tidying up we did manage to crack it once (without the plugs in) starter was all good and it fired out the tissue bungs in the plug holes, promising.... but no more could be checked. dam....

With that in mind I spoke to Troy at Northampton Motorsport and told him the score so he could decide the best plan of action and whether I still took it to him. He was totally understanding and said bring it up anyways and the issues can be run through along with some of the other items he will need to look at. This re-assured me quite a bit as there are a fair few things different between my set-up now and the previous set-up (what the ECU knows) so the move to the exhaust builder and the mapper are still planned for next week.

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With that in mind there are a couple tiny bits to tie up,
Fitting some check straps so the doors don't go walkies.
Fitting the new catch tank I ordered
Fitting the Pure motorsport Cam casing mount that I didn't even know I didn't have.
Fit bonnet

and then making some ramps to help get the car out of the garage.... more nerves to play with.
 

Chambers_RS

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172 Cup&Leon K1
Sounds promising.

Looking forward to mapping as I’m thinking about using Northampton Motorsport for mine.
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
Sounds promising.
Looking forward to mapping as I’m thinking about using Northampton Motorsport for mine.

I will obviously be updating this with how it goes. Troy mapped Tony Hunters car which I believe was running specialist components/Typhoon/EC1 (whatever you want to call it) and ITB's so I am confident he is the right guy for the job, handy that he is not to far away either.

Looks stunning Neil ??
What single wiper do you have , wouldn't mind one for mine.

Cheers chap. It is a STORM wiper kit. I got it so long ago though so not sure they are even still around. Pain in the ass it is shorting though, no idea why.
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:
As previously mentioned there were a few bits I wanted to tie up before the car goes off for the exhaust build and then mapping. I managed to get a fair few of these done today so almost there.

I received the Oil catch tank yesterday from Ralloy so I started up my mocking up and marking where this was going to go. The inner side of the passenger wing was the most obvious place and there was just enough room (width and height wise) literally mm's above the gearbox mount....

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Once marked up the holes were drilled, painted, left to dry before all being mounted up.
New pipe to fit push on fittings also.

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Next up was the Pure motorsport mount. I had no idea this mount even existed but I can see why it does.
A little bit of a pain to fit as the throttle body linkage had to come off, along with the engine mount, the cam case needed loosening and the engine needed jacking up.... but all good. Another tight fitment with the throttle cable - I may need to re-look at this.

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Next up was to make check straps for the doors. As the car is being transported to each place and the fact that each place will need to open the doors it was pretty important to get these done before the car left home. I managed to find some large webbed straps from my Ice hockey bag, these are a decent thickness so perfect for check straps.

I had to guestimate the length a bit as I could not open the doors very much in the garage. These were then cut, drilled and then I used a lighter to seal the edges. Then the doors were drilled and bolted through with large washers either side and on the original check strap bolt.

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The wheels were all mounted up then ready to drop the car off the axle stands shortly. They are a bit of a mismatch of colours and tyres currently but thats only to move/map them on. Once moved I will then be removing them and sending them off for powdercoating.

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That leaves 2 jobs, dropping the car off the axle stands and fitting the bonnet....
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:
Just a couple hours spent today in prep for moving the car on tuesday.

First job was to get the car off the axle stands... I thought this was going to be easy, not so much. I got the rear on the ground, chocked it and then started to lower the front drivers side, then ran into a problem, even when dropping it slowly and watching it down carefully I managed to get the car sill stuck on the pump part of the jack, this meant I couldn't jack it up to release it, or lower it off the jack to move the jack out.... After about an hour of fretting 2 neighbours (both car guys helpfully) came to the rescue with a scissor jacks, that raised it just enough to get the trolley jack out. The passenger side was then lowered onto a stack of wood.... phew, just a little to touch up on the underside of the sill, but now for the first time in a long time the car is on its own wheels.

Next up was to fit the bonnet and as I had the 2 neighbours there it made this job a darn sight easier.... a bit of man-handling of the areo-catch pins and it fits really nicely. Very very happy.

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Dropping the car onto the floor though has raised some concern for tuesday. It is very very low... and there is a ramp out of the garage. I think I am going to need to try and get it raised although unsure if I can even get a jack underneath it. This is planned for tuesday morning, hopefully I can wind the coilovers up to give it a decent raise, I will also remove the front bumper to move it. To give you some idea how low it is...

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Thats not an Iphone+...ha
Until tuesday....

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Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:
Yesterday came and went and the car didn't get moved... I had a shocker.... I drove from Birmingham to Milton Keynes only to find that I didn't have my house keys. This meant not only could I not get in the house, but I couldn't get in the garage. I had to cancel the move and put it off until today.

When I finally did get in the house yesterday and then into the garage I set about raising the car a decent amount on the front suspension. It was way too low previously and I needed to give it decent clearance to get out of the garage (bit of a ramp onto the rear alley). I also checked everything with the garage doors opening just to make sure....

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I had to book someone else to move the car today and I think it worked out better that way. I think he was far more experienced than ho I had booked and just his attitude relaxed me far more about the situation with getting the car out of the garage. With only myself and him to move the vehicle I was sat in steering and hovering over the brakes whilst he pushed - luckily it is bloody light.

Turns out it is pretty stiff too...

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We used a significant amount of wood to ease out the gradient out of the garage which worked a treat.
I think the fact the chassis is so stiff also massively helped. The fact that the grippiest tyre (the slick) was in the air only worked to our advantage.
Who remembers the scene in Austin Powers.....

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It was a little like that.
I sat in the car holding the brakes, we left the front on wood and using the winch from the truck (parked behind me in the above photo) we dragged the front around... It worked out spot on... The car was then loaded up and taken to Deutsch Tech for its exhaust.

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I have gone for a double box and 2.5" all the way through that will go to a centre exit straight cut 2.5" pipe at the rear. Very much looking forward to seeing it. Hopefully it will be ready to collect Friday and drop at Northampton Motorsport.
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:
Exhaust has been completed. They had the car probably longer than they needed but it gave them a good amount of time with it and worked logistically quite well for me. I decided to go double box on it to make sure the DB's were 100% going to be under most UK track days.

I initially thought I wanted a round box on the rear but when I started chatting to the guys there we thought it could look quite funny as this could hang quite low. You can see in the picture below how different the sizes and shapes are and how that would effect the drop.

In the end we decided on an oval box and to tuck it up nice and high to the rear floor.

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Mounted on 2 D rubbers that bolt directly do the floor the mounting is super neat. I picked the car up this afternoon and am very happy with how it looks.

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But this has now got me thinking about one of these diffusers again to really finish the back end off...

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Although I am probably better off going custom I imagine.
Anyways getting ahead of myself. The car was picked up and moved to Northampton Motorsport and dropped off there just before closing....

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Troy seems spot on. I am nervous but excited about tomorrow. Everyone has said it should be alright, and the signs point to it being ok.... but there is part of me that thinks its going to sh*t its pants.... if it doesn't I wonder what it will make... I am heading back up in the morning so we will see
 

RuskiWeldFab

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172, RS4 B7
Great exhaust mate! Needs a diffuser defo! Working on a plan for my own exhaust. Hehe Good luck tommorow! It will be absolutely fine! You done a great job in it!


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Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:
Well its not good, but its not too bad... yet

We could not get comms with the Specialist components ECU at all. We tested the pin-outs for the ECU plug, tried 2 different leads but it wasn’t playing ball. Quite frustrating to not even get it running but obviously nothing catastrophic yet.

Troy is also concerned about the balance of the ITB’s and whether these will be correct, if not even a little bit of in-balance can effect their performance. It is also a bugger to do that with all the gumph on the car. But thats the next thing to worry about.

Lastly I think the battery is shot. Not really an issue in the grand scheme of things, and we can just anderson plug a support in but another thing to add to the list.

On the bright side though, he has nice tool chests

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Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
Not good news Neil but should all be simple fixes , are you going to send the ecu in for inspection ?

You will need the engine running to balance the bodies with a Syncrometer.

Hopefully simple fix with the ECU. Troy is going to get in contact with Specialist Components and go from there on Monday, if it needs to be sent off it needs to be sent off
 

Chambers_RS

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172 Cup&Leon K1
Exhaust looks epic so much better than I pictured in my head. I didn’t know Ben and Lenny made custom exhausts.

Sorry the mapping hasn’t gone to plan. Sounds like Troy is being helpful tho ??
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
Exhaust looks epic so much better than I pictured in my head. I didn’t know Ben and Lenny made custom exhausts.

Sorry the mapping hasn’t gone to plan. Sounds like Troy is being helpful tho ??

I think it the half bumper and exhaust is definitely a love/hate thing. Yep Deutsch Tech have a couple of full time exhaust fabricators there now. They have a lot of nice stuff in there. Worth a follow on Instagram.
 
  Ph2 172, 106 Rallye
More issues with Specialist Components stuff. I'm active on a good few mini forums which SC do a lot of parts for and there seems to be issues with them every time.
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
More issues with Specialist Components stuff. I'm active on a good few mini forums which SC do a lot of parts for and there seems to be issues with them every time.

When I was speaking with Troy on Saturday he said they seem to have issues quite a bit and the support network for them isn't the best. Its a pain. I am really hoping its easily sortable but I don't hold much hope. I am wondering if its totally f*cked about changing to a new ECU.
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:
So heard from Troy at Northampton Motorsport today and Specialist Components have only advised the same as what Troy has already tried. We are now going to send the ECU back to them for them to have a look at. Dependent on that, if nothing can solve it I think I am probably looking at a new ECU. I could look at Specialist components again but they use different plugs for there ECU's now so I will need to change that on the loom also - and on that basis it may be worthwhile looking at a different manufacturer/ECU all together. We will see.

As of today we have also moved house too. Really weird seeing the garage empty.

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Little bit weird leaving it as this was properly "my space". It also 100% allowed me to finish the car (or get it near finished).
 

Coops Mk1

ClioSport Club Member
  Lots of Scrap...
Concentrate on the house move matey, the car will work, it's basically done. I think a diffuser may sway my opinion on the rear end aswell so I vote do it!

And get those wheels sorted, disgraceful ??
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
Concentrate on the house move matey, the car will work, it's basically done. I think a diffuser may sway my opinion on the rear end aswell so I vote do it!

And get those wheels sorted, disgraceful ??

The move went all good so no concerns there.

I will look at a diffuser at some point I think, but it won't be before its first outing, it can wait.
After speaking with a mate about the ECU, he mentioned he had the circuit board replaced for about £100 so hopefully that is still an option.
Specialist Components had a company split a few years back so if they can't do the circuit board I really need to find the guy that went his separate ways to see if he can do it. I need to find his company first...
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
(NO) UPDATE:
So I managed to do some research and find out the details of the guys that left Specialist Components, their names and the business they now run which is SCS Delta. On finding this out I got in contact with Troy at Northampton Motorsport to see if it was worth us sending it direct to them instead... he confirmed this is were it was already going... ha. There is a reason he does this as a day job...

Afraid there is no news from that yet though. I am not chasing it yet, i'll give it until mid next week before I follow it up.
Miss seeing the green thing now.
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:
I have this morning just spoken with Troy at Northampton Motorsport and then also Matthew at SCS Delta and it isn't the best news on the ECU.

The Typhoon has been discontinued for about 4 years now and a lot of the hardware/components are not used anymore meaning parts are not stocked and are harder to get hold of. After bench testing the ECU they managed to get it to power up and talk to the processor however they think the problem is the RAM. Data is going into the ECU but then not appearing anywhere... They can keep trying to investigate this and then hopefully find the issue and try to solve this but it may end up more expensive than purchasing a new ECU.

They can supply a new ECU which is plug compatible (luckily) and is the Delta 400 - https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/...GYWtWYmZEZTBxUSIsImV4cGlyeSI6MTU1MjM5MzM4NX0=

this is £650+VAT so this may be the way I need to go.
 

robzracing

ClioSport Club Member
Sounds like the best option if it plugs straight in. Price wise it's in the same ballpark as Emerald, Gen90 etc. As long as you've got someone who knows the software you should be good to go I'd say.

Good luck with it.
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:
I have now ordered the DELTA 400 ECU. After speaking with SCS Delta and Troy it just seemed to make sense moving forwards especially for updating and future-proofing the car. Hopefully this will be on its way to Northampton Motorsport shortly and then we can look at getting the car running.

Troy is still very concerned about the ITB balancing and had suggested a couple of ideas to help do this, or whether we try and run it first and see if they are ok.
We may try to drill and tap the itb manifold and then vacuum balance them, I prefer than idea to Troy's thought of cutting the airbox and adding a large access panel in the front..... :rolleyes:o_O

With the extra expenditure of the new ECU budgets are going to have to be watched moving forward as since moving I have had basically no work, that obviously means no money so I forsee progress on the car being very slow once I have it back.
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
When you say they need balancing i take it they can't be done with a syncrometer?

They can be done that way yes, but there is not enough access to the inlet with the airbox on.

Surely they can be balanced with the air box off?

Indeed they can. What may have to happen is
  • the airbox gets removed, along with the manifold as 1 piece - which is a bit of a ballache,
  • then the endplates from the airbox and then the trumpets from inside the airbox - which is a massive ballache
  • then the trumpets back on to the the manifold and the manifold back on the car for balancing

we will see....
 

Chambers_RS

ClioSport Club Member
  Clio 172 Cup&Leon K1
Are you running Jenvey itbs? Sorry can’t remember and out currently so can’t scroll back.
If you are I could lend you my trumpets if that helps to get them balanced and mapped? Then refit your air box? If this is possible, sorry thinking out loud ?
 

vroomtshh

ClioSport Club Member
  Seat Ibiza Cupra TDi
Only needs doing once though so probably worth the ballache imo. Better than a permanent cut in the box anyway.
Needs doing pretty regularly tbh

Are you running Jenvey itbs? Sorry can’t remember and out currently so can’t scroll back.
If you are I could lend you my trumpets if that helps to get them balanced and mapped? Then refit your air box? If this is possible, sorry thinking out loud ?
Wouldn't work. Needs doing as they are on the car. Swapping the trumpets back would adjust the balance again
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
Only needs doing once though so probably worth the ballache imo. Better than a permanent cut in the box anyway.

Needs doing pretty regularly tbh

I agree the ballache will be worth it either way it is done, I just want to minimise the ballache, but whichever way it is done it will be done right - no point coming this far to then mess around. I think on the basis it will need doing regularly I may opt for tapping the manifold. I am wondering if we could use the 2 that are tapped underneath for the brake servo, then add 2 more on the other inlets obviously.

Are you running Jenvey itbs? Sorry can’t remember and out currently so can’t scroll back.
If you are I could lend you my trumpets if that helps to get them balanced and mapped? Then refit your air box? If this is possible, sorry thinking out loud ?

Wouldn't work. Needs doing as they are on the car. Swapping the trumpets back would adjust the balance again

I am indeed running Jenvey's @Chambers_RS and thank you for the offer, that is very very kind even if it wouldn't work, ha
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:

I spoke to Northampton Motorsport today and they could confirm the SCS Delta have now sent the ECU, it has been received and is now fitted to the car. It is a little frustrating that this has taken over a month and that I have had to chase Northampton Motorsport for the information. I asked about next steps and they said they would be starting the car soon but could not confirm when, again a little frustrating.

I am bearing with it for the time being as I am not desperate for the car currently and have other personal stuff to sort too, but I just want to know what is going on.
I guess it is at least moving forward...
 

robzracing

ClioSport Club Member
Motorsport companies normally respond better with a deadline. If you tell them you have a test day booked that it needs to be ready for you may see a bit more urgency. Otherwise all their customers with race cars who need something done before the next race meeting will be jumping in front of you.


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Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
UPDATE:

Had a call from Troy today at Northampton Motorsport. He let me know that the car had its initial fire up today (I wasn’t present) and they ran it for 60 seconds at approx 12k rpm. A couple of issues were apparent.

  1. Throttle pot wasn’t initially working. (Unsure what he meant by throttle pot)
  2. Was initially noisey from the top of the engine but quietened. Hopefully this is just because the engine has been sat for a while and the oil needed to circulate
  3. The 4th cylinder isn’t running. This could be down to the throttle body but they will be investigating this.

We are also going to drill and tap the throttle body manifold so we can peform Vacuum balancing on the itb’s. I think this makes a lot more sense and makes it a lot easier to balance in future rather than removing the airbox each time.
 

NorthloopCup

ClioSport Moderator
UPDATE:

Had a call from Troy today at Northampton Motorsport. He let me know that the car had its initial fire up today (I wasn’t present) and they ran it for 60 seconds at approx 12k rpm. A couple of issues were apparent.

  1. Throttle pot wasn’t initially working. (Unsure what he meant by throttle pot)
  2. Was initially noisey from the top of the engine but quietened. Hopefully this is just because the engine has been sat for a while and the oil needed to circulate
  3. The 4th cylinder isn’t running. This could be down to the throttle body but they will be investigating this.
We are also going to drill and tap the throttle body manifold so we can peform Vacuum balancing on the itb’s. I think this makes a lot more sense and makes it a lot easier to balance in future rather than removing the airbox each time.
1) Throttle pot = throttle potentiometer mate.
2) yeah that’ll be because there was no oil in the hydraulic lifters
3) 4th cylinder not running I would assume it’s injector not firing or no spark?
 

Nafoff

ClioSport Club Member
1) Throttle pot = throttle potentiometer mate.
2) yeah that’ll be because there was no oil in the hydraulic lifters
3) 4th cylinder not running I would assume it’s injector not firing or no spark?

So only really the 3rd thing to worry about. Brand new spark plugs so it may be the HT leads or as you say the injectors....
 


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